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#3403467 - 10/15/13 12:38 PM Re: Turkey survey from twra... [Re: megalomaniac]
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#3403928 - 10/15/13 06:14 PM Re: Turkey survey from twra... [Re: ]
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I have actually been working on a spreadsheet that will show the overall decline or incline in harvest for both fall and spring birds as well as the decline in areas with heavy fall harvest....
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#3403930 - 10/15/13 06:14 PM Re: Turkey survey from twra... [Re: Final steps TC]
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I am going to go back to the incredible late 90's forward
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#3404030 - 10/15/13 07:18 PM Re: Turkey survey from twra... [Re: Final steps TC]
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Some very solid info here. Glad some people are noticing the decline, and I really hope the ones who count take note. I talked to a TWRA employee last week at length about the decline, and they said its a trend statewide. Im still puzzled as to why no action, but then again, what do I know.
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#3405375 - 10/16/13 05:04 PM Re: Turkey survey from twra... [Re: 8 POINTS OR BETTER]
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 Originally Posted By: 8 POINTS OR BETTER
 Originally Posted By: 8 POINTS OR BETTER
What years did we go from a limit of 2 to 3, and from a limit of 3 to 4?


To answer my on question: "The agency has liberalized the number of county (non-WMA) birds that are allowed from two, prior to 1999, to three birds from 2000-2005, and then to four birds from 2006 to the present."


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#3405505 - 10/16/13 06:43 PM Re: Turkey survey from twra... [Re: muddyboots]
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 Originally Posted By: muddyboots
 Originally Posted By: 8 POINTS OR BETTER
 Originally Posted By: 8 POINTS OR BETTER
What years did we go from a limit of 2 to 3, and from a limit of 3 to 4?


To answer my on question: "The agency has liberalized the number of county (non-WMA) birds that are allowed from two, prior to 1999, to three birds from 2000-2005, and then to four birds from 2006 to the present."


Ding Ding. Its not rocket science is it?


Yep it only took about three years after the we went from a limit of 2 to 3 for things to go down hill. Check out the Brood Survey from years 2002 to 2003. Its pretty clear that after the excess Toms were gone from the 2 bird limit we've have never had a great hatch since. Prior to 2003 every hatch but 2 for the past 20 years had been great.

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#3405649 - 10/16/13 08:05 PM Re: Turkey survey from twra... [Re: 8 POINTS OR BETTER]
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Why doesn't Gray Anderson (head of TWRA turkey biology) come here to discuss his thoughts? This decline in turkey population has been under his watch and I'd love to hear why he thinks the status quo is just fine. The negative trend in turkey populations has been evident for nearly a decade....
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#3405768 - 10/16/13 09:11 PM Re: Turkey survey from twra... [Re: megalomaniac]
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Wow, at the data 8 points thru out here, what I do find odd is that when we jumped to 4 birds the results didn't change too much. I have a feeling that is because the vast majority of hunters don't kill 4 birds, but do kill 3, and possibly kill more jakes because of the excess in numbers of tags.

What would be interesting to know is when fall seasons where implemented, and then expanded. That would be even more telling.

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#3405981 - 10/17/13 12:46 AM Re: Turkey survey from twra... [Re: Setterman]
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 Originally Posted By: megalomaniac
Why doesn't Gray Anderson (head of TWRA turkey biology) come here to discuss his thoughts? This decline in turkey population has been under his watch and I'd love to hear why he thinks the status quo is just fine. The negative trend in turkey populations has been evident for nearly a decade....
negative trend ain't everywhere. population is fine around here and no I don't just mean maury county. marshall, maury, hickman, williamson, dickson etc. I'm more interested in the unexplained sudden decline in population in certain southern counties because I suspect it's more than just shooting too many turkeys and I hope we find out what it is.

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Wow, at the data 8 points thru out here, what I do find odd is that when we jumped to 4 birds the results didn't change too much. I have a feeling that is because the vast majority of hunters don't kill 4 birds, but do kill 3, and possibly kill more jakes because of the excess in numbers of tags.

What would be interesting to know is when fall seasons where implemented, and then expanded. That would be even more telling.
Yeah how many people kill 4 birds in one spring season. Not many... And those who are whining about not enough birds had better quit hunting for the season after they kill 1 or 2 (and I'm assuming they do).

I think the fall seasons would have the biggest hunter impact on turkey populations for sure, with liberal limits by county and hen killing. I will continue to kill birds in the fall here unless I see a noticeable decline in population. But from what I've seen, the flocks around here can sustain a fall season because really there aren't too many people who actually fall hunt. If fall turkey hunting gains popularity, I sure hope TWRA lowers bag limits. I'd rather only kill 1 or 2 in the fall than have a lot of people killing 4 or 5 and then having no turkeys left.
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#3406050 - 10/17/13 06:05 AM Re: Turkey survey from twra... [Re: catman529]
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