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#3396822 - 10/10/13 03:40 PM GM Hybrid Blunders
Wes Parrish
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Government Motors Latest Blunders

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2013/10/10/chevrolet-cancels-2014-malibu-hybrid-model/

Chevrolet cancels 2014 Malibu Hybrid model.
Turns out their hybrid version costs more, performs less, doesn't get any better mileage, and doesn't last as long.

They are also canceling the hybrid SUVs and trucks.

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#3396843 - 10/10/13 03:59 PM Re: GM Hybrid Blunders [Re: Wes Parrish]
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Ha Ha. I never saw that coming. Yea right.
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#3403266 - 10/15/13 10:07 AM Re: GM Hybrid Blunders [Re: muddyboots]
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You'd think if mankind could put a man on the moon we could make a more efficient way of driving a gas engine like we have for a hundred years!!!
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#3403273 - 10/15/13 10:11 AM Re: GM Hybrid Blunders [Re: buckaroo]
Pic IN the Casa
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This is what happens when you try to push your ways on a free market system.

I would say EAT IT GM but it was mostly done with our money.
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#3403348 - 10/15/13 10:53 AM Re: GM Hybrid Blunders [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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Or it is just going to take more effort and time, be nice to never fill up again
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#3403350 - 10/15/13 10:57 AM Re: GM Hybrid Blunders [Re: buckaroo]
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 Originally Posted By: buckaroo
Or it is just going to take more effort and time tax-payer dollars, be nice to never fill up again
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#3403430 - 10/15/13 12:05 PM Re: GM Hybrid Blunders [Re: buckaroo]
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 Originally Posted By: buckaroo
Or it is just going to take more effort and time, be nice to never fill up again



Fill up or plug in, there is no free lunch. The laws of thermodynamics have not been repealed.
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#3403677 - 10/15/13 03:00 PM Re: GM Hybrid Blunders [Re: Bambi Buster]
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There IS a free lunch... at least for the Green crowd.

The entire design of our current Government driven R&D program is flawed.

Currently you are rewarded for failure and NEVER solving a problem. Coming up with a "solution" would mean you had to take your product/solution out into the marketplace and compete. It is far easier and more lucrative to belly up to the government grant buffet of taxpayer money for R&D.

I say do away with government sponsored grants and cut taxes by a corresponding amount. INSTEAD offer a reward system similar to a contest. EX... Develop a gas powered car engine getting XX MPG, with ZZZ HP that can last 150,000 miles in a REAL CAR and you not only get your patent, but 7 years TAX FREE profits.

IF private donors/teams are spending 40 MILLION per year on winning the Americas Cup sailboat race, think of the amazing advancements in technology and the benefits to the world that would result from rewarding success instead of failure.
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#3403706 - 10/15/13 03:19 PM Re: GM Hybrid Blunders [Re: fishboy1]
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Do you think or is it even possible that oil companies can hinder or prevent new fuel technology?
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#3403712 - 10/15/13 03:22 PM Re: GM Hybrid Blunders [Re: buckaroo]
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 Originally Posted By: buckaroo
Do you think or is it even possible that oil companies can hinder or prevent new fuel technology?


Probably about as much as the UAW fought off high mpg Volkswagens.
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#3404025 - 10/15/13 07:16 PM Re: GM Hybrid Blunders [Re: AndyW]
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1986 Chevrolet Sprint ER

Combined MPG: 48

City MPG: 44

Highway MPG: 53

Cylinders: 3

Engine Size in Liters: 1

Transmission: Manual

Similar Models: 1985, 1987-1988

This lightweight Chevrolet was a Sprint with additional features, such as a light indicating the ideal time to shift.

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#3404041 - 10/15/13 07:23 PM Re: GM Hybrid Blunders [Re: preds1]
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 Originally Posted By: preds1
 Originally Posted By: buckaroo
Or it is just going to take more effort and time tax-payer dollars, be nice to never fill up again




If you never want to fill up again, walk. The problem is there is no demand for them. Creating a product that has no demand is really an exercise in futility. Without sufficient demand the only way they will create demand is to drop the price. If they drop it to $1000 a car, they may start to sell a few.
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#3404646 - 10/16/13 08:45 AM Re: GM Hybrid Blunders [Re: citico_tim]
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There is no demand because of performance, if they can build a reliable powerfull, electrical car. I would pay more for it than gas because of fuel savings.
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#3404678 - 10/16/13 09:00 AM Re: GM Hybrid Blunders [Re: buckaroo]
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 Originally Posted By: buckaroo
There is no demand because of performance, if they can build a reliable powerfull, electrical car. I would pay more for it than gas because of fuel savings.



“If somebody wants to build a coal-fired power plant, they can. It’s just that it will bankrupt them,” Obama said, responding to a question about his cap-and-trade plan. He later added, “Under my plan … electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket.”




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#3404987 - 10/16/13 12:20 PM Re: GM Hybrid Blunders [Re: buckaroo]
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 Originally Posted By: buckaroo
Or it is just going to take more effort and time, be nice to never fill up again

Except that electricity isn't free, either. In fact, with zerO's EPA on the attack, electricity costs are going to skyrocket.
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#3404995 - 10/16/13 12:24 PM Re: GM Hybrid Blunders [Re: buckaroo]
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 Originally Posted By: buckaroo
Do you think or is it even possible that oil companies can hinder or prevent new fuel technology?

Picture this: I'm the CEO of an automobile manufacturer who holds the technology to produce cars that get 100+ MPG with no loss in performance and minimal (if any) increase in price.

Now: do I (1) bury that technology to ensure that gas-powered vehicles continue to be built? Or do I (2) start building those cars and take over 90% of the new car market?

The crowd who thinks the technology is intentionally squelched votes for #1. Anyone with half a brain and any business sense at all says #2.
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#3405297 - 10/16/13 03:49 PM Re: GM Hybrid Blunders [Re: BMan]
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 Originally Posted By: BMan
 Originally Posted By: buckaroo
Do you think or is it even possible that oil companies can hinder or prevent new fuel technology?

Picture this: I'm the CEO of an automobile manufacturer who holds the technology to produce cars that get 100+ MPG with no loss in performance and minimal (if any) increase in price.

Now: do I (1) bury that technology to ensure that gas-powered vehicles continue to be built? Or do I (2) start building those cars and take over 90% of the new car market?

The crowd who thinks the technology is intentionally squelched votes for #1. Anyone with half a brain and any business sense at all says #2.

^^^^
This
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#3405378 - 10/16/13 05:06 PM Re: GM Hybrid Blunders [Re: Bambi Buster]
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I was sipping my Starbucks and using my ipad to Google things to post on Facebook about how I hate corporate America when I saw this thread.

What could go wrong with a govt. subsidized, Chinese manufactured car that runs on electric created by burning coal? "GO GREEN" I say \:\)

Well, other than that whole war on coal thing.

Big oil sucks........
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#3405394 - 10/16/13 05:22 PM Re: GM Hybrid Blunders [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
I was sipping my Starbucks and using my ipad to Google things to post on Facebook about how I hate corporate America when I saw this thread.

What could go wrong with a govt. subsidized, Chinese manufactured car that runs on electric created by burning coal? "GO GREEN" I say \:\)

Well, other than that whole war on coal thing.

Big oil sucks........


LMAO. Did you tweet your preference for American Idol?
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#3405406 - 10/16/13 05:34 PM Re: GM Hybrid Blunders [Re: AndyW]
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It's none of American Idol's business what my "Preference" is \:D
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#3406170 - 10/17/13 08:11 AM Re: GM Hybrid Blunders [Re: BMan]
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 Originally Posted By: BMan
 Originally Posted By: buckaroo
Do you think or is it even possible that oil companies can hinder or prevent new fuel technology?

Picture this: I'm the CEO of an automobile manufacturer who holds the technology to produce cars that get 100+ MPG with no loss in performance and minimal (if any) increase in price.

Now: do I (1) bury that technology to ensure that gas-powered vehicles continue to be built? Or do I (2) start building those cars and take over 90% of the new car market?

The crowd who thinks the technology is intentionally squelched votes for #1. Anyone with half a brain and any business sense at all says #2.


You are overlooking one critical factor..... Investment returns.

Would say...GM throw out HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of dollars in infrastructure and investments not to mention product lines in order to turn the market on its head?

Maybe.... So much depends on the numbers.

The technology exists to make 70" flatscreen TV's for $200. But the manufacturers need to pay off and get a return on investment for creating that technology. Once they recoup their costs and realize a return on investment, that type of technology gets "crammed down" the pipeline making a product cheaper. The next level of new and better technology becomes the Top priced innovation. After a time that gets moved down the line as newer more expensive technology takes its place.

Once ONE manufacturer breaks the seal and starts producing a quantum leap technology product, see how fast everybody else rolls out a similar product to keep up.
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#3407311 - 10/17/13 08:01 PM Re: GM Hybrid Blunders [Re: Bambi Buster]
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 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: BMan
 Originally Posted By: buckaroo
Do you think or is it even possible that oil companies can hinder or prevent new fuel technology?

Picture this: I'm the CEO of an automobile manufacturer who holds the technology to produce cars that get 100+ MPG with no loss in performance and minimal (if any) increase in price.

Now: do I (1) bury that technology to ensure that gas-powered vehicles continue to be built? Or do I (2) start building those cars and take over 90% of the new car market?

The crowd who thinks the technology is intentionally squelched votes for #1. Anyone with half a brain and any business sense at all says #2.

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Yep
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#3408700 - 10/18/13 06:58 PM Re: GM Hybrid Blunders [Re: Crappie Luck]
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They don't sell because no one wants them. Simple economics.
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#3409461 - 10/19/13 12:17 PM Re: GM Hybrid Blunders [Re: citico_tim]
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I love my wife's Prius at 52 MPG....It is our on the road vehicle. The 4Runner stays home..
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#3409887 - 10/19/13 06:44 PM Re: GM Hybrid Blunders [Re: TOW]
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UNION YES!!
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#3410548 - 10/20/13 09:58 AM Re: GM Hybrid Blunders [Re: citico_tim]
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The new GM . . . . . . . Government Motors

 Originally Posted By: citico_tim
They don't sell because no one wants them. Simple economics.

Yep, the Obamanomics GM plan has been to waste taxpayers' money to both build and "market" products no one wants. Sounds similar to ObamaCare? Windmill farms? Corn ethanol farm subsidies (driving up the cost of food) while giving us an inferior fuel product? Without the government subsidies, would a truly free enterprise system already have had us on some superior fueling system for our automobiles? Non-food-sourced ethanol gas? Natural gas?

Just adding more costly government (tax-payer) funding to a blundering bureaucracy of bigger government, producing nothing but debt & progressive loss of freedoms.

Never mind that a true free enterprise system works efficiently, and relatively without cost to the taxpayers, while innovating better products and greater freedoms.

By the way, if GM had simply been allowed to go bankrupt, Ford and other automotive companies would be stronger today, not to mention the taxpayer money used to bail out GM would or could have been used in any of a number of ways to more greatly stimulate our economy. More pointedly, by not confiscating tax dollars from all American workers, those workers would have had individual freedom of choice in what they would buy with their earned money. And those unemployed by a bankrupt GM? Perhaps they would use their talents to add productivity and efficiency at a rapidly expanding Ford Motor Company, or in a completely different industry?

While some will point out that GM has been paying the money back, others will point out the money should never have been confiscated from taxpayers and used to prevent the bankruptcy of the weakest company, at the expense of greater growth by the better companies (such as Ford). Instead, big government rewarded failure (GM) while it punished success (Ford).

The question remains, would America's economy be better off today if GM had simply been allowed to fail, or survive (without a taxpayer bailout)?

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#3736718 - 08/18/14 03:48 PM Re: GM Hybrid Blunders [Re: Wes Parrish]
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But WAIT! There's MORE BLUNDERS!

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2014/08/1...s-it-considers/

Why isn't the EPA shutting down this industry?

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#3737911 - 08/20/14 04:32 AM Re: GM Hybrid Blunders [Re: BMan]
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 Originally Posted By: BMan
 Originally Posted By: buckaroo
Do you think or is it even possible that oil companies can hinder or prevent new fuel technology?

Picture this: I'm the CEO of an automobile manufacturer who holds the technology to produce cars that get 100+ MPG with no loss in performance and minimal (if any) increase in price.

Now: do I (1) bury that technology to ensure that gas-powered vehicles continue to be built? Or do I (2) start building those cars and take over 90% of the new car market?

The crowd who thinks the technology is intentionally squelched votes for #1. Anyone with half a brain and any business sense at all says #2.


You are only looking at one small facet of the situation. Add in what the oil industry has involved and their cohorts in DC. Do you not think that the auto and oil industries are all cozy in bed with Washington? Do you think selling a few extra cars is worth the lifetime cash cow?

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#3738525 - 08/20/14 05:01 PM Re: GM Hybrid Blunders [Re: Cazador]
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 Originally Posted By: Cazador
 Originally Posted By: BMan
 Originally Posted By: buckaroo
Do you think or is it even possible that oil companies can hinder or prevent new fuel technology?

Picture this: I'm the CEO of an automobile manufacturer who holds the technology to produce cars that get 100+ MPG with no loss in performance and minimal (if any) increase in price.

Now: do I (1) bury that technology to ensure that gas-powered vehicles continue to be built? Or do I (2) start building those cars and take over 90% of the new car market?

The crowd who thinks the technology is intentionally squelched votes for #1. Anyone with half a brain and any business sense at all says #2.


You are only looking at one small facet of the situation. Add in what the oil industry has involved and their cohorts in DC. Do you not think that the auto and oil industries are all cozy in bed with Washington? Do you think selling a few extra cars is worth the lifetime cash cow?


I have to agree with Bman here. Controlling 90% of the automotive sales market would make for a far bigger cash cow than the oil industry would offer.
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