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#3392989 - 10/08/13 09:59 AM BSK what triggged it?
landman
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I just pulled a card yesterday mid day after hunting

my Best Spot for buck pictures, not food source, everything comes together, topo,ridge,cover,saddle,front door bedding area.

You have seen TC pics of my best deer from this spot

dates on cam run Sept 19 thru Oct 7
but on Sept 23 the switch turned on, all my best deer showed up in 48 hours plus the tons of does and on the 26th back to normal
on the 23rd from 8am to 1pm unreal activity

cam shows 61degrees temp for high and a half moon

any reason?
any one else see this activity?
the top 2 bucks hit the spot one in shooting light
major mineral site, plus scrape activity always there, plus a licking branch that used a lot

am I seeing peak date 30 days early? Oct 23-25? seems early to me

???
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#3392997 - 10/08/13 10:02 AM Re: BSK what triggged it? [Re: landman]
Jaahspike
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YES, the 22nd and 23rd I got 3 shooter bucks and tons of other pics. I am trying to figure it out as well. I thought yesterday evening was going to bring the same results and it did. The only problem is I got out there too late and there were 7 does already in the field I have to cross to get to my stand. I didn't see any bucks yesterday until it was almost dark when I was walking back to the barn. They were in the field where I should have been!!!!!
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#3393029 - 10/08/13 10:16 AM Re: BSK what triggged it? [Re: Jaahspike]
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I have tracked these sudden surges in activity over the years, but I can't explain them. Sometimes they are region-wide, which to me suggests something climatic (weather related). However, often these surges are highly localized, and tend to fall into a monthly pattern, which suggests a monthly cycle (something associated with the monthly surge in female hormone production). But I've never been able to tie them to any one cause. I suspect the answer is very complicated.

But I would certainly recommend you watch the timing of these surges. The monthly cycles tend to be very predictive. If you see a surge in both September and October on about the same dates, you can just about be guaranteed of seeing surges around the same dates in that location in November and December.
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#3393471 - 10/08/13 02:26 PM Re: BSK what triggged it? [Re: BSK]
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Thanks for your input, I couldn't tie it to anything, but I'm planning on spending some tree time on those dates. I'm going to check back on those dates in August

Thanks
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#3393636 - 10/08/13 04:19 PM Re: BSK what triggged it? [Re: BSK]
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No deer biologist here, but I have always thought a doe's ovulation only occurred once a year (unless not successfully bred), that would be what we call the rut. If true, that would suggest no monthly hormonal cycles like you would see in humans. If no ovulation, then there should be no or little estrogen/progesterone changes. If there were to be more than one ovulation then breeding could occur at any time.
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#3393909 - 10/08/13 06:47 PM Re: BSK what triggged it? [Re: jlrobbins29]
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You're not going to believe this, but I had a tremendous amount of trail cam activity on these two days as well. I'm in Davidson County.

Here's one of 100+ photos from that day.


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#3394084 - 10/08/13 08:15 PM Re: BSK what triggged it? [Re: WhitesCreek]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
I have tracked these sudden surges in activity over the years, but I can't explain them. Sometimes they are region-wide, which to me suggests something climatic (weather related). However, often these surges are highly localized, and tend to fall into a monthly pattern, which suggests a monthly cycle (something associated with the monthly surge in female hormone production). But I've never been able to tie them to any one cause. I suspect the answer is very complicated.

But I would certainly recommend you watch the timing of these surges. The monthly cycles tend to be very predictive. If you see a surge in both September and October on about the same dates, you can just about be guaranteed of seeing surges around the same dates in that location in November and December.


This is interesting. I'm new to owning property and having a game cam (since 1st of August). I've had a couple of 8 points come by my camera on 17 August and 20 September. No other time. On these days the times were about the same (03:00/02:00), the temps were within a degree (63/64) and the barometric pressure is virtually the same (29.11/29.08). The moon phases were waxing Gibbows and full moon.

I wonder if in the same timeframe this month if they may pass through again. I have several does and a couple spikes that visit this location daily during daylight hours. Something to watch.


Edited by stevepitts (10/08/13 08:18 PM)

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#3394194 - 10/08/13 08:56 PM Re: BSK what triggged it? [Re: backroads]
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Isn't there a "false rut" theory? Its the month preceding doe going in estrous. It's like doe secrete some sort of hormone that triggers a surge in activity.
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#3394233 - 10/08/13 09:10 PM Re: BSK what triggged it? [Re: UTGrad]
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peak rut is going on now. i saw a doe and a 3 pt in the same field today. better get after them
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#3394238 - 10/08/13 09:12 PM Re: BSK what triggged it? [Re: redblood]
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 Originally Posted By: redblood
peak rut is going on now. i saw a doe and a 3 pt in the same field today. better get after them


LMAO \:D

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#3394730 - 10/09/13 07:48 AM Re: BSK what triggged it? [Re: jlrobbins29]
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 Originally Posted By: jlrobbins29
No deer biologist here, but I have always thought a doe's ovulation only occurred once a year (unless not successfully bred), that would be what we call the rut. If true, that would suggest no monthly hormonal cycles like you would see in humans. If no ovulation, then there should be no or little estrogen/progesterone changes. If there were to be more than one ovulation then breeding could occur at any time.


Although does do come into full estrus at the time of "the rut," and will cycle back into estrus monthly until conception, there is some suggestion (some research supports the idea, while some doesn't) that female deer display increased hormone production a month prior to the actual rut. Bucks pick up on this hormone surge and go through a brief period (a few days) of enhanced rutting activity. Hunters who see this peak (which generally occurs at the same time each year) as the "false rut." Some areas experience a very pronounced false rut while others don't. In fact, I've observed false ruts so intense that bucks display far more rubbing and scraping (as well as daylight activity) at that time than they do during the real rut.
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#3394754 - 10/09/13 08:12 AM Re: BSK what triggged it? [Re: BSK]
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Let me also add that I don't think the "false" rut is the cause of all of these cyclical peaks in buck activity. It is just one potential cause. I have seen regional peaks in activity occurring on the same date that are not repeated, and then I've seen both local and regional peaks that are repeated on a monthly cycle all season long. And these cycles are NOT associated with the rut dates (not on a monthly cycle aligned with peak breeding dates). What drives these monthly cycles--and they can be different every year and don't appear every year--is beyond me.
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#3394776 - 10/09/13 08:30 AM Re: BSK what triggged it? [Re: BSK]
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I swear I learn more on this site than I could by reading deer information for hours. Talk about knowledgeable.
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#3394805 - 10/09/13 08:55 AM Re: BSK what triggged it? [Re: UTGrad]
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I went and checked my camera pulls from these days and I have a lot of dogs through these days...
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#3394945 - 10/09/13 10:11 AM Re: BSK what triggged it? [Re: DntBrnDPig]
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 Originally Posted By: DntBrnDPig
I went and checked my camera pulls from these days and I have a lot of dogs through these days...



Somewhere on your property, there's a little cocker spaniel in estrous. Get her pattern down and you got the makings for some fine Chinese food. \:D
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