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#3388706 - 10/05/13 10:31 AM Antler size over-estimation
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Southernhunter's post about friends who always see monster bucks, but never end up killing them, reminds me of how often I hear reports from hunters of seeing a 120-class buck, yet once they identify the buck they saw on a trail-camera picture, the buck turns out to be 100-class or less. I think it's just Human Nature to over-estimate the size of bucks we see in the woods, especially when just glimpses of the buck are gained, or the buck is seen walking straight away from the hunter, which tends to make their antlers look larger. But I also think few hunters have had enough opportunities to see bucks of known antler size to compare against.

So just for fun, here are a couple of near 100-class bucks to review (all bucks were killed by hunters and officially measured--all scored between 95 and 100 gross):

Gross score: 97 6/8


Gross score: 96 7/8


Gross score: 97 7/8


Gross score: 95 0/8


Now this is a tricky one. From the side, this buck looks impressive:


But from a slightly different angle, narrow spread and no browtines. Gross score: 97 7/8

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#3388712 - 10/05/13 10:35 AM Re: Antler size over-estimation [Re: BSK]
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Naw man your confused the third one is at least a 140-150 class deer. \:D
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#3388713 - 10/05/13 10:35 AM Re: Antler size over-estimation [Re: BSK]
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Thanks for posting!
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#3388715 - 10/05/13 10:40 AM Re: Antler size over-estimation [Re: Tenn.Guy]
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And don't forget bucks look much more impressive in velvet. This buck, in hard antler, only grossed 99 0/8:
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#3388722 - 10/05/13 10:54 AM Re: Antler size over-estimation [Re: BSK]
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Here are some actually 120-class bucks:

Buck on the left in the first picture; a better picture of him in the second picture, gross: 122 6/8



Gross: 120 2/8



Gross: 123 1/8

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#3388736 - 10/05/13 11:07 AM Re: Antler size over-estimation [Re: BSK]
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I think most hunters just like exagerating it. A 120 deer is a very good deer.
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#3388739 - 10/05/13 11:09 AM Re: Antler size over-estimation [Re: BSK]
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Excellent thread!

I believe a high percentage of the "over-estimating" is done on top-antlered 2 1/2-yr-old bucks. Because their skeletal system is not fully grown, their body weights small compared to a 4 1/2 or older buck, the same 100-scoring antlers on a 2 1/2 will appear much larger than when sitting atop a 4 1/2. And to a lesser extent, this also happens with the above average 3 1/2's.

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#3388764 - 10/05/13 11:44 AM Re: Antler size over-estimation [Re: Wes Parrish]
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Great post! I think I have the opposite problem. At Ames our minimum is 125". With or without that minimum my magic number seems to be 125" as well. I look for bucks with that minimum score. I don't know if it's because that's our minimum or mine or a combination of both but I have a tendency to under score racks on the bucks I see. I call them insurance bucks because I'm giving myself a little lead way. Although 5" isn't much I've let quite a few 130+ bucks walk because of it. You are dead on about viewing bucks from the rear. I don't know how many times I've watched a buck walk away and questioned myself about not shooting.

Interestingly enough, at our yearly meeting this year Kipp Adams from QDMA spoke about our progress compared to both the US state averages as well as the overall Tn averages. We were told that the Tn 3.5 year olds average 134" and the 4.5+'s averaged 142". I don't really believe that. I'm thinking that our mature deer only average 125"-128".
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#3388767 - 10/05/13 11:47 AM Re: Antler size over-estimation [Re: Mike Belt]
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I used to overestimate. My wife caught me at it though. \:\(
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#3388769 - 10/05/13 11:49 AM Re: Antler size over-estimation [Re: KENBOB10]
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 Originally Posted By: KENBOB10
I used to overestimate. My wife caught me at it though. \:\(


LMAO!!!
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