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#3391671 - 10/07/13 12:38 PM Re: Antler size over-estimation [Re: Wes Parrish]
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And that's the problem with recommending brands of camera. Every brand has its downsides, even Reconyx. For such an expensive camera, they sure take sub-par pictures. And they have a really weak flash. But for reliability, and customizable settings, no one else can touch Reconyx.

As you know Wes, I too experienced very poor reliability from the Uway NT50Bs. I had 6 of them. All made it through 1 year of use, but only 1 of the 6 made it through a second year of use. That's unacceptable. I also tried their U250B, and although it has proven reliable (so far), I don't like the image quality. Very fuzzy day and night pictures. SO FAR after 1 1/2 years of use, all of my VH200Bs have been reliable, and they have the best combination of features of any of the cameras I've tried. However, their weaknesses are unproven long-term reliability and a slower trigger than I would like (1.5 seconds). But I love how they are designed for a plug-in flash extender, and the extender can be controlled through the cameras menu system. I also like their image quality.

Although I like the reliability, trigger speed, and image quality of the Trophy Cams, I have problems with the flash. It is not truly black-flash. I can see it and I have a lot of evidence that the deer can see it.

So far, I'm hearing good things about the Covert Black 60, but I don't own one. However, the "test" pictures I've seen posted are a tad fuzzy.

The Moultrie i990s, appear to have the best black-flash, but I hearing that some of the newer Moultries' produce a noticeable "clunk" when the filter arm moves over the camera's lens. This is a big no-no for me. That's worse than a visible flash.
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#3391801 - 10/07/13 02:20 PM Re: Antler size over-estimation [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Mike Belt
We were told that the Tn 3.5 year olds average 134" and the 4.5+'s averaged 142".

And where did they get that data? Totally bogus.


I asked the question myself in the meeting whether this was the average buck "killed on Ames" or the average buck walking around and was told it was the the average 3.5 yr old buck walking around was 132-134. In previous meetings, we were told that 125 was on the tail end of the bell curve for 3.5 year old bucks. I am not sure what has changed. May-be its the Dical we are using. \:\)
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#3391847 - 10/07/13 03:00 PM Re: Antler size over-estimation [Re: fairchaser]
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I don't buy those numbers for a second. I believe they supposedly got those numbers from trail-camera data, but again, I don't buy those numbers for a second. I've not seen anywhere in America where those numbers would hold true, not even the best managed areas of Illinois (and I have friends who manage trophy-managed areas in IL who have shared their data with me).
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#3391857 - 10/07/13 03:12 PM Re: Antler size over-estimation [Re: BSK]
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This is by far probably one of the best threads thats been on this site..
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#3392142 - 10/07/13 07:24 PM Re: Antler size over-estimation [Re: in the dog house!]
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http://www.qdma.com/articles/will-he-be-a-good-one-next-year

I think this is a good article from QDMA website. Will he be a good one next year? By 3 and 1/2, a buck is at 80% of his gross B&C score and should gain 10 to 90% of his gross by age 4 and 1/2. So a 140 at 3 and 1/2, although extremely difficult to pass up (and I doubt I could) should be left to pass because he should be 170 next year (assuming no natural or other mortality). Problem is, we let the 110 or 120 who is 3 and 1/2 pass and take the 140 when that nice 110 or 120 is about maxed out.
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