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#3391730 - 10/07/13 01:15 PM Re: Shoot him? [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
No scientific evidence exists that large-antlered bucks produce large-antlered offspring, or that small-antlered bucks produce small-antlered offspring. In fact, just the opposite is true, small and large-antlered bucks produce male offspring of all sizes and shapes.


The evidence does not exist? Why do people all over the country buy breeder bucks for there farms & ranches I think if you have big antler deer on your farm they are passing the genes on I've got a farm that I've been hunting for 15 years and almost all the bucks have short or no brow tines I think either the bucks or does one has got to be throwing these deer? I know soil has got a lot to do with antler growth but I've seen places that some huge bucks have come from and there are some big 4 point 5 year olds running around.
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#3391815 - 10/07/13 02:35 PM Re: Shoot him? [Re: Thicketmaster]
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 Originally Posted By: thicketmaster
 Originally Posted By: BSK
No scientific evidence exists that large-antlered bucks produce large-antlered offspring, or that small-antlered bucks produce small-antlered offspring. In fact, just the opposite is true, small and large-antlered bucks produce male offspring of all sizes and shapes.


The evidence does not exist? Why do people all over the country buy breeder bucks for there farms & ranches...


Because there are suckers born every day. The breeder buck business is one of the biggest scams going. Unfortunately, most buyers don't have the scientific background to understand they are being scammed.


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I think if you have big antler deer on your farm they are passing the genes on.


And your proof of that? I would say, if you regularly have large-antlered bucks on your farm, you have some good habitat in the area.


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I've got a farm that I've been hunting for 15 years and almost all the bucks have short or no brow tines I think either the bucks or does one has got to be throwing these deer?


Not necessarily anything genetic. Could be less than optimal nutrition. But IF something genetic is going on, I would suggest it is coming from the does, not the bucks, as MOST bucks disperse from their birth-range and travel considerable distances before establishing a new range. This means most of the older bucks in your area were not born there, hence could not be passing on a local genetic trait. Most of the bucks that would be carrying a local genetic trait dispersed and left the area.

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I know soil has got a lot to do with antler growth but I've seen places that some huge bucks have come from and there are some big 4 point 5 year olds running around.


And did that mature 4-point's father have just 4-point antlers? That's the question. In penned research, bucks do not produce male offspring with antlers that look just like their's. In fact, each buck produces male offspring with every possible size and shape rack, from small to large. However, individual females often do produce male offspring with similar antlers, which suggest does may be passing on hereditary antler information.
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#3391818 - 10/07/13 02:36 PM Re: Shoot him? [Re: KANATI McD]
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 Originally Posted By: KANATI McD
How old in this pic?


Now in THAT picture he looks mature.
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#3391868 - 10/07/13 03:17 PM Re: Shoot him? [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: KANATI McD
How old in this pic?


Now in THAT picture he looks mature.


Ok, now compare the two. Look at G-1 on right antler. 1st pic looks like something going on like a split G-1, second pic not noticeable. And the body, pics speak for themselves. I'm beggining to think its two different deer, possible brothers. But racks are two much alike.
Also pics are from different cameras, 1st one is with a 8 year old moultrie m-40. second pic taken with brand new moultrie 990i. Can the cameras cause them to look so different body wise, or is it the standing position of the deer?
Do you think its the same deer or brothers?
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#3391914 - 10/07/13 04:08 PM Re: Shoot him? [Re: KANATI McD]
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Not different cameras, just different camera angles can make the same buck look VERY different.
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#3392331 - 10/07/13 08:34 PM Re: Shoot him? [Re: BSK]
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http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/huntwild/wild/game_management/deer/genetics/


I think antler genes are half from the does and half from the buck thus larger antler bucks are going to produce larger antler offspring IMO Kanatis bucks is a mature cull that I would not want breeding does in my area even though I know that they will desperse and go down the road to my neighbors! \:\)
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