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#3383175 - 10/01/13 04:39 PM Genetics, nutrition, age
woodsman87
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What do yall think, or what is the facts about age, genetics and nutrition? My question is, what is the most important of these, if any, or are they all the same. I know you have to have the right property in the right place in the country to have consistent "booners"
I have always thought age first, then genetics, then nutrition. I may be wrong, but it seems like most places in the southeast have plenty of deer food year round, because it doesn't get enough snow in winter,, and we usually get enough rain in summer.
What you Think?

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#3383218 - 10/01/13 05:08 PM Re: Genetics, nutrition, age [Re: woodsman87]
smstone22
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Priority is age, then nutrition. I cant change genetics in a free herd so I cant worry about that. Even in poor soils, bucks that all of us would be pleased with can be grown with age and nutrition.
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#3383221 - 10/01/13 05:11 PM Re: Genetics, nutrition, age [Re: smstone22]
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 Originally Posted By: smstone22
Priority is age, then nutrition. I cant change genetics in a free herd so I cant worry about that. Even in poor soils, bucks that all of us would be pleased with can be grown with age and nutrition.
Well said

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#3383250 - 10/01/13 05:29 PM Re: Genetics, nutrition, age [Re: Planking]
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Other than the fact that all three of those issues are so deeply intertwined that they can't really be separated, here's another big monkey-wrench in the equation: no one knows how the "genetics" of antlers work. Is shape genetic? Is size (beam and tine length and/or spread) genetic? is the number of typical points genetic? No one knows the answer to any of these questions (no one can point to the actual genetic code that carries these characteristics, and that would be required to "understand" how the genetics of antlers work). So how can you answer how important "genetics" is in antlers when no one knows how the genetics of antlers work?

What if many of the things we believe are genetic are actually environmental? Some truly mind-bending research suggest the health of a button buck's mother even before she becomes pregnant with him can strongly influence that buck's antler growth for his entire lifetime, despite his "genetics," nutrition, or age.
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#3383269 - 10/01/13 05:49 PM Re: Genetics, nutrition, age [Re: BSK]
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I could go into a very lengthy discussion of the influence of age, genetics (if there is such a thing), and nutrition on antler size, but readers would have to have a clear understanding of the terms "average," range," and "bell-curve distribution" to fully understand the points I would be trying to make.
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#3383351 - 10/01/13 07:06 PM Re: Genetics, nutrition, age [Re: BSK]
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smstone speaks the truth. Give em feed, give em time...I don't care if he's a 6 point. If he's 5, 6, 7 yrs old he's generally something to behold and you'll be proud to have put him on the ground (of course that's the hard part). \:\)
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#3384040 - 10/02/13 07:49 AM Re: Genetics, nutrition, age [Re: Boll Weevil]
woodsman87
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Is it possible to help out your deer heard if you only have about 150 acres to work with? We have about 6-7 acres of food plot. If I established some about 4 acres of it as a pernnial clover field, would it help any?
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#3384067 - 10/02/13 08:13 AM Re: Genetics, nutrition, age [Re: woodsman87]
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Age
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#3384116 - 10/02/13 08:45 AM Re: Genetics, nutrition, age [Re: muddyboots]
tellico4x4
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 Originally Posted By: muddyboots
Age
x2 + good food

Here's the result of 11 years of management. When we acquired the property in 2002, we were lucky to see a 2-1/2 yr old 6 point. Don't just look at antlers, but look at the body size of some of these mature bucks.

http://www.bullethuntingclub.com/gallery-camera-13.html

Tip - when page opens, click the arrows in bottom right of picture box to go to full screen.



Edited by tellico4x4 (10/02/13 08:47 AM)
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#3384266 - 10/02/13 10:07 AM Re: Genetics, nutrition, age [Re: woodsman87]
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 Originally Posted By: woodsman87
Is it possible to help out your deer heard if you only have about 150 acres to work with?

Absolutely. Folks think it requires tons of ground to see improvement but there's much you can do to create a place deer want to be. On 150 acres if you provided good chow (whether planted or native forage), a place where they weren't continually harrassed, focused on low-impact hunting...I bet you'd see improvement in just a couple of years.

At the same time, gotta calibrate your expectations too and ask what's reasonable? We all have limitations: land, time, neighbors, money, et al.

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