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#3373037 - 09/24/13 08:07 PM Kerry to sign UN arms treaty on Wednesday
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09/24/kerry-to-sign-un-arms-treaty-despite-senators-opposition/

This sets up somewhat of Constitutional crisis since the Senate has not ratified it yet.
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#3373050 - 09/24/13 08:15 PM Re: Kerry to sign UN arms treaty on Wednesday [Re: JWW4]
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What would that do to Obama's ILLEGAL arms shipments to the rebels in Syria??
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#3373069 - 09/24/13 08:23 PM Re: Kerry to sign UN arms treaty on Wednesday [Re: Wildcat]
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So what?

It means nothing if he signs it

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#3373320 - 09/25/13 05:04 AM Re: Kerry to sign UN arms treaty on Wednesday [Re: Doskil]
JWW4
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 Originally Posted By: Doskil
So what?

It means nothing if he signs it


Unless Obama tries to enforce it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZ0x3Rl1uLs
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#3373363 - 09/25/13 06:22 AM Re: Kerry to sign UN arms treaty on Wednesday [Re: JWW4]
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Corker gets one right
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Dear President Obama,

It is my understanding that Secretary of State John Kerry will sign the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) on behalf of the United States. The ATT raises significant legislative and constitutional questions. Any act to implement this treaty, provisionally or otherwise, before the Congress provides its advice and consent would be inconsistent with the United States Constitution, law, and practice.

As you know, Article II, Section 2 of the United States Constitution requires the United States Senate to provide its advice and consent before a treaty becomes binding under United States law. The Senate has not yet provided its advice and consent, and may not provide such consent. As a result, the Executive Branch is not authorized to take any steps to implement the treaty.

Moreover, even after the Senate provides its advice and consent, certain treaties require changes to United States law in the form of legislation passed by both the House and Senate. The ATT is such a treaty. Various provisions of the ATT, including but not limited to those related to the regulation of imports and trade in conventional arms, require such implementing legislation and relate to matters exclusively reserved to Congress under our Constitution.

Because of the concerns discussed above, as well as the fundamental issues the ATT raises with respect to the individual rights protected by the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution, as the Ranking Member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, it is my view that you may not take any executive action to implement this treaty, provisionally or otherwise, unless and until: (1) the United States Senate has provided its constitutionally required advice and consent to its ratification; and (2) the Congress has passed any and all required legislation to bring this treaty into effect under United States domestic law.

Sincerely,

Senator Bob Corker
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http://www.foreign.senate.gov/press/rank...ice-and-consent
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#3373721 - 09/25/13 10:19 AM Re: Kerry to sign UN arms treaty on Wednesday [Re: Doskil]
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 Originally Posted By: Doskil
So what?

It means nothing if he signs it


^^^^^^^^ This
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#3373726 - 09/25/13 10:22 AM Re: Kerry to sign UN arms treaty on Wednesday [Re: JWW4]
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 Originally Posted By: JWW4
 Originally Posted By: Doskil
So what?

It means nothing if he signs it


Unless Obama tries to enforce it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZ0x3Rl1uLs


Let him try to enforce it. if you believe in the Constitution then stand your ground, if you dont then give them up to the dictator.

If he tries to enforce he has sealed his fate as a traitor. This would be the ignitor for the powder keg fixing to go off in this country.
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#3373772 - 09/25/13 10:55 AM Re: Kerry to sign UN arms treaty on Wednesday [Re: Stalkhunter]
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From what I've read, it isn't what it can mean to us today, but in the future. Apparently, once the treaty is signed, there is no shelf-life to it being ratified by the Senate. It can sit there for years, waiting until there is a friendly 61 Senators willing to move forward on it. We're already standing on our tip-toes with only our noses above water as it is. There needs to be a bounty on liberalism in Washington, or we're eventually going to be living in a Third World America.

How ironic is it that obama doesn't want law abiding citizens in this country to have access to guns and ammo, yet he's all for arming the same people we've been fighting for over a decade in the Middle East. Try to wrap that around your brain.

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#3373943 - 09/25/13 12:57 PM Re: Kerry to sign UN arms treaty on Wednesday [Re: Hangnail]
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#3373969 - 09/25/13 01:15 PM Re: Kerry to sign UN arms treaty on Wednesday [Re: stik]
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ANY U.S. official that is part or party to any such thing should be tried, convicted, and summarily executed for high treason.
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