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#3372476 - 09/24/13 11:58 AM Little Help Needed on Bullet Selection...
BlountArrow
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I've got a brand new, plain jane, Thompson Center Impact that I'm going to be using this year. I'm finally hanging up the Knight Wolverine after many years of use. Here's the thing... I really don't want to shoot saboted bullets and I hate PowerBelts. Given that, what bullet would you guys recommend??? I don't mind going heavy. I just want something consistently accurate.
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#3372480 - 09/24/13 12:01 PM Re: Little Help Needed on Bullet Selection... [Re: BlountArrow]
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I used to pour and shoot Maxi Ball..a Its a Thompson Center bullet..had good results with it..
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#3372484 - 09/24/13 12:04 PM Re: Little Help Needed on Bullet Selection... [Re: pressfit]
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Yeah, I thought about the Maxi-Balls and Maxi-Hunters and Hornady has that Great Plains bullet too. Not trying to steer the conversation, but those are ones I had thought of since they are "popular".
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#3372516 - 09/24/13 12:35 PM Re: Little Help Needed on Bullet Selection... [Re: BlountArrow]
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What do you have against saboted bullets?
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#3372642 - 09/24/13 02:24 PM Re: Little Help Needed on Bullet Selection... [Re: Rubberduck270]
BlountArrow
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 Originally Posted By: Rubberduck270
What do you have against saboted bullets?


Personally, I don't like the plastic residue left in the barrel even though I know it can be cleaned out. It has also been my experience that bullets become more difficult to load shot after shot with plastic sabots. If I can get the accuracy I'm after I'd like to use just a straight lead bullet of some design.
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#3372647 - 09/24/13 02:27 PM Re: Little Help Needed on Bullet Selection... [Re: BlountArrow]
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To each his own I guess.

I shot TC Maxi Hunters back in the day with decent results. No patches, they come pre-lubed.
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#3372655 - 09/24/13 02:37 PM Re: Little Help Needed on Bullet Selection... [Re: Rubberduck270]
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hornaday fpb 300 or 350

 Originally Posted By: Deer Assassin
i am no expert

here is the low down on the fpb


back in 08 105 loose 777 chronoed 1650 ish fps



deer one

10 point field dressd 177 lbs pass thru

shot 40 yds 1/4 too shot ran 30 yds hit the ground cough spit blood got up walked 20 yds single lung




deer 2

8 point dressed 175

shot 10 yds broadside pass thru

ran about 100 yds but left a blood trail ray charles could follow




deer 3 11 pt


shot 45 yds broad side pass thru

dressed 177 lbs
ran about 50 ish blood trail was awesome






deer 4 80 lb dressed spike(nubbn Buck) 54 yds

double shoulder punch ran no where




last year


i did 105 loose different ml with the 300 fpb

prolly about 1800 fps might be a lil less

killed a spike at 10 yds ran 30 dead

also shot a wild dog med size mix at 50 yds

devistation but he hollered for about 30 sec but never took a step



or 405 lead hp powerbelt
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#3372671 - 09/24/13 02:45 PM Re: Little Help Needed on Bullet Selection... [Re: Deer Assassin]
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I would 2nd the FPBs.

Barnes also makes a couple bullets for .500 S&W loads that some have used sabotless with good results, I can't remember the weights on them but they look impressive.

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#3372968 - 09/24/13 07:20 PM Re: Little Help Needed on Bullet Selection... [Re: ratsnakeboogy]
BlountArrow
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Good lookin' kills there, DA. Nice.
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#3373144 - 09/24/13 09:23 PM Re: Little Help Needed on Bullet Selection... [Re: BlountArrow]
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I am thinking of FPBs or the Maxi Balls in the one I am setting up. The hornady sabotless might go in my other 50 cals.
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#3373512 - 09/25/13 08:13 AM Re: Little Help Needed on Bullet Selection... [Re: ghostfive]
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I suffered from years of not being able to find the right bullet and finally slugged the barrel and measured the slug and then contacted a custom bullet maker, BullShop Bullets, and had a 460gr conical made that fit my muzzleloader perfectly and has made a night and day difference in how the thing shoots. It was like $25-$30 for 50 bullets.
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#3373520 - 09/25/13 08:16 AM Re: Little Help Needed on Bullet Selection... [Re: TNDeerGuy]
BlountArrow
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 Originally Posted By: TNDeerGuy
I suffered from years of not being able to find the right bullet and finally slugged the barrel and measured the slug and then contacted a custom bullet maker, BullShop Bullets, and had a 460gr conical made that fit my muzzleloader perfectly and has made a night and day difference in how the thing shoots. It was like $25-$30 for 50 bullets.


I really like this idea. However, I'm not familiar with the term "slugging" the barrel. What would be the best way for me to take this measurement?
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#3373634 - 09/25/13 09:19 AM Re: Little Help Needed on Bullet Selection... [Re: BlountArrow]
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 Originally Posted By: BlountArrow
 Originally Posted By: TNDeerGuy
I suffered from years of not being able to find the right bullet and finally slugged the barrel and measured the slug and then contacted a custom bullet maker, BullShop Bullets, and had a 460gr conical made that fit my muzzleloader perfectly and has made a night and day difference in how the thing shoots. It was like $25-$30 for 50 bullets.


I really like this idea. However, I'm not familiar with the term "slugging" the barrel. What would be the best way for me to take this measurement?


This is a decent article on accurizing a muzzleloader, even though it is for White the same rules should apply with most I would think. http://www.whitemuzzleloading.com/myweb2/images/whiterifles/accurizing_the_muzzleloading_rif.htm


How I slugged the barrel was to get a solid lead ball and ground it down to where it was slightly bigger, .5055, than my .504 listed bore. I then sprayed a ton of gun oil in the bore and then soaked the ball and then slowly and carefully tamped it all the way down using a large wooden dowel and repeated the process a few times. I came out with a measurement of .5042 so the gentleman at BullShop made the bullets to .5045 and they fit perfect.

There maybe better instructions out there on how to slug a barrel, but that is how I did it. Hope this helps!

Bullshopboolits@aol.com is their email, and they may actually have a better suggestion....they were very nice, helpful people.
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#3373655 - 09/25/13 09:33 AM Re: Little Help Needed on Bullet Selection... [Re: BlountArrow]
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 Originally Posted By: BlountArrow
 Originally Posted By: TNDeerGuy
I suffered from years of not being able to find the right bullet and finally slugged the barrel and measured the slug and then contacted a custom bullet maker, BullShop Bullets, and had a 460gr conical made that fit my muzzleloader perfectly and has made a night and day difference in how the thing shoots. It was like $25-$30 for 50 bullets.


I really like this idea. However, I'm not familiar with the term "slugging" the barrel. What would be the best way for me to take this measurement?


There are several youtube videos on how to slug a barrel and most of the custom bullet makers have a slug kit you can buy to run through your bore and send back to them for measurement. They cast the bullets to perfectly fit your particular bore.

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#3373682 - 09/25/13 09:53 AM Re: Little Help Needed on Bullet Selection... [Re: ratsnakeboogy]
BlountArrow
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Excellent info TNDeerGuy and ratsnakeboogy....thanks a ton. I think this is the route I'm going to take!
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#3373950 - 09/25/13 01:04 PM Re: Little Help Needed on Bullet Selection... [Re: BlountArrow]
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How about thor bullets. If I wasn't gonna us a sabot that's what I would use. Its basically a barnes without a sabot.
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#3376331 - 09/27/13 07:36 AM Re: Little Help Needed on Bullet Selection... [Re: ratsnakeboogy]
BlountArrow
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 Originally Posted By: ratsnakeboogy
 Originally Posted By: BlountArrow
 Originally Posted By: TNDeerGuy
I suffered from years of not being able to find the right bullet and finally slugged the barrel and measured the slug and then contacted a custom bullet maker, BullShop Bullets, and had a 460gr conical made that fit my muzzleloader perfectly and has made a night and day difference in how the thing shoots. It was like $25-$30 for 50 bullets.


I really like this idea. However, I'm not familiar with the term "slugging" the barrel. What would be the best way for me to take this measurement?


There are several youtube videos on how to slug a barrel and most of the custom bullet makers have a slug kit you can buy to run through your bore and send back to them for measurement. They cast the bullets to perfectly fit your particular bore.


Okay guys I've been looking into this "slugging the barrel" procedure and im curious. Why couldn't I get a good machinist friend of mine to mic the inside diameter of the bore at the peak of the rifling and in the valley of the rifling and achieve the same result?
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#3376585 - 09/27/13 10:10 AM Re: Little Help Needed on Bullet Selection... [Re: BlountArrow]
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Okay guys I've been looking into this "slugging the barrel" procedure and im curious. Why couldn't I get a good machinist friend of mine to mic the inside diameter of the bore at the peak of the rifling and in the valley of the rifling and achieve the same result?

You can, but the slug will pick up the smallest area of you rifling, which is what I would size for. Most barrels have an inconsistent measurement from bore to breech, if the bore measurement is bigger you can find yourself hammering one down the last few inches(worst case scenario). JMO.

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#3376603 - 09/27/13 10:23 AM Re: Little Help Needed on Bullet Selection... [Re: ratsnakeboogy]
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 Originally Posted By: ratsnakeboogy
Okay guys I've been looking into this "slugging the barrel" procedure and im curious. Why couldn't I get a good machinist friend of mine to mic the inside diameter of the bore at the peak of the rifling and in the valley of the rifling and achieve the same result?

You can, but the slug will pick up the smallest area of you rifling, which is what I would size for. Most barrels have an inconsistent measurement from bore to breech, if the bore measurement is bigger you can find yourself hammering one down the last few inches(worst case scenario). JMO.


Exactly! The barrel of a weapon may have very, very slight "discrepancies" in size from end to end due to many factors. That is why "slugging" is the best method to match the most accurate size of the entire barrel.
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#3376628 - 09/27/13 10:56 AM Re: Little Help Needed on Bullet Selection... [Re: TNDeerGuy]
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I knew it couldn't be that easy \:D . I knew the experts would know - thanks again.

Edited by BlountArrow (09/27/13 10:56 AM)
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#3376706 - 09/27/13 12:02 PM Re: Little Help Needed on Bullet Selection... [Re: BlountArrow]
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Experts?????? You must think we stayed at a Holiday Inn Express or something? \:D
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#3376710 - 09/27/13 12:07 PM Re: Little Help Needed on Bullet Selection... [Re: TNDeerGuy]
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 Originally Posted By: TNDeerGuy
Experts?????? You must think we stayed at a Holiday Inn Express or something? \:D


I can't speak for TNDeerGuy just for me, but if you think we are impressive do a little reading on Doug's. Those guys make me look like I can't spell muzzleloader.

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#3386943 - 10/03/13 08:48 PM Re: Little Help Needed on Bullet Selection... [Re: ghostfive]
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Used to use the old Buffalo bullets, very heavy and shot consistantly. Did some serious damage on impact.
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#3389492 - 10/05/13 10:45 PM Re: Little Help Needed on Bullet Selection... [Re: BlountArrow]
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 Originally Posted By: BlountArrow
I've got a brand new, plain jane, Thompson Center Impact that I'm going to be using this year. I'm finally hanging up the Knight Wolverine after many years of use. Here's the thing... I really don't want to shoot saboted bullets and I hate PowerBelts. Given that, what bullet would you guys recommend??? I don't mind going heavy. I just want something consistently accurate.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/select_right_sabot.htm

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#3395088 - 10/09/13 11:51 AM Re: Little Help Needed on Bullet Selection... [Re: 7wsm]
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Buffalo Bullets will flat put a smackdown on anything!
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#3395097 - 10/09/13 11:55 AM Re: Little Help Needed on Bullet Selection... [Re: 348Winchester]
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 Originally Posted By: 348Winchester
Buffalo Bullets will flat put a smackdown on anything!


Where can I find some though? I'm fixing to back myself into a corner if I don't get on the stick.
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#3396389 - 10/10/13 10:22 AM Re: Little Help Needed on Bullet Selection... [Re: BlountArrow]
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Yeah..............who has Buffalo Bullets?

Edited by mjac (10/10/13 10:22 AM)
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#3396433 - 10/10/13 10:53 AM Re: Little Help Needed on Bullet Selection... [Re: mjac]
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buffalo bullets have been the worse bullets in any of my rifles, no consistency at all.
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