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#3361355 - 09/16/13 01:14 PM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: TAFKAP]
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Hm. Let me try this again and keep in mind that we are talking about "athleticism" and "fitness". Also, the original context of the OP is "ripped" which might be translated as superior body composition. So, I posted about an athlete with superior body composition.

 Originally Posted By: TAFKAP
I don't need to see the same pictures comparing the physiques of two different types of athletes.

I realize the difference is obvious. The sprinter's training has made him a more well-rounded athlete with ideal body composition.

 Originally Posted By: TAFKAP
By your definition, the meatheads that spend all their time in front of the mirrors at the gym building muscles are no more an athlete than a couch hog who can't run a mile.

My argument had nothing to do with bodybuidling. A bodybuilder follows a single modality much like a marathoner. They are on opposite ends of the spectrum in form, but both are specialists solely in what they do. When considering a general fitness test both would struggle with things outside their specialty.

 Originally Posted By: TAFKAP
If long distance running isn't athletic, I'm curious to know your marathon time that would lead you to that conclusion.


If you are a long-distance runner, I'm not trying to look down or "slam" your choice of training methodologies; however, take a step back and consider a marathoner's physique. I realize they are lean, but at the cost of wasting away all muscle mass beyond what's required to run 26 miles.

As you might have guessed, I am not a long-distance runner, so I can't provide you with a time. I prefer to limit my running to 400m, 800m, 1600m and 5km.

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#3361417 - 09/16/13 02:01 PM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: Outdoor Enthusiast]
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 Originally Posted By: Outdoor Enthusiast
Here's the best analogy I can offer:

Consider two Olympians: one is a 100m sprinter and the other a 10km runner.

The sprinter is a far superior athlete in my opinion. Bigger, faster, stronger. A sprinter will use heavy weight training, running, plyometrics, etc.

The distance runner has low body fat % but is essentially emaciated.

They may each have a "6-pack" but the level of fitness is considerable different. Here's a picture for comparison purposes:

http://strongmanathletics.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/sprinter-vs-distance.jpg


I HATE the word Plyometrics however it is something that I WILL transition back into doing one time-one hour a week by fall.
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#3361447 - 09/16/13 02:16 PM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: Kimber45]
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 Originally Posted By: Kimber45
 Originally Posted By: Outdoor Enthusiast
Here's the best analogy I can offer:

Consider two Olympians: one is a 100m sprinter and the other a 10km runner.

The sprinter is a far superior athlete in my opinion. Bigger, faster, stronger. A sprinter will use heavy weight training, running, plyometrics, etc.

The distance runner has low body fat % but is essentially emaciated.

They may each have a "6-pack" but the level of fitness is considerable different. Here's a picture for comparison purposes:

http://strongmanathletics.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/sprinter-vs-distance.jpg


I HATE the word Plyometrics however it is something that I WILL transition back into doing one time-one hour a week by fall.


I agree. It's a love-hate relationship.

If you don't have a plyo box, there is a really good template online for building a 24" high one. If you can't find it I can probably dig it up. I think it was a Crossfit journal article.

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#3363502 - 09/17/13 08:27 PM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: Outdoor Enthusiast]
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I would not suggest starting with a 24" box... your shins will hate you, lol.
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#3363965 - 09/18/13 06:20 AM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: -DRM-]
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No box for my old knees

P90X Plyometrics for an hour is about all the abuse I'll be able to stand and, it will take me at least 5 sessions to get the full hour again - but that's ok as I'll log 5+ minutes more each time until I get there.
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#3365098 - 09/18/13 08:33 PM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: Kimber45]
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I've been using an 18" box the last few weeks on my cardio days...

30 minutes on the elliptical, hopping off at every 5 minute mark to step over and do 15 box jumps and getting back to the elliptical before it resets. Kind of a mini HIIT routine, but it really kicks my heart rate up awesome.
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#3365667 - 09/19/13 09:20 AM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: -DRM-]
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Let me muddy the waters some in the sprinter vs runner debate:

Here is a sprinters body:


We need to define what we mean when we say sprinter and runner. When most people say sprinter they are thinking anaerobically trained athlete. When people say runner they are thinking aerobically trained athlete.

Anaerobic activity (high intensity, short duration) builds fast twitch muscle tissue. This type of muscle tissue grows in size and mass. Aerobic activity (low intensity long duration) trains slow twitch muscle. This type of muscle does not grow in size, it increases in mitochondrial density (energy producing structures.

All things being equal (diet being the biggest), an anaerobic athlete will be build better because of the added muscle mass. However, if your diet isn't in check you'll be adding muscle under your fat... see pic above.
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#3366717 - 09/19/13 10:14 PM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: JWW4]
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Another key point in the sprinter vs marathon physique is the use of PED's. Multiple world class sprinters have been caught using steroids. So we should clarify natural physique vs enhanced physique.
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