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#336308 - 08/11/07 06:37 AM Re: Feeding Deer [Re: wcsd462]
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 Originally Posted By: wcsd462
Kevin.....NICE pic's!
I dont see the difference either, they are eating together whether at a feeder or in a corn field.
As dry as it is in Tennessee right now wouldnt this be the time for feeding? Everything else has burned up.


Deer eat at a feeder and feed in a field or on acorns in a different manner. In natural feeding situations, deer are not puting their mouths in the same places. Feeders spread disease--proven fact.

This drought has been a perfect example of why food plots aren't the answer for providing a local deer herd's nutritional intake. Food plots fail in droughts. Yet the natural habitat does not. Native plants are naturally drought tolerant. My food plots are all brown and dead, but the weeds growing right next to the plots are in fantastic shape and show little signs of drought effects. And the deer are pounding them, as they should. Feed your deer with the native habitat. Use food plots to provide higher-quality foods that what naturally exist. Never expect to "carry" a deer herd with food plots.
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#336309 - 08/11/07 06:43 AM Re: Feeding Deer [Re: brier rabbit]
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Dark Thirty II wrote:
If my state allows it, and there are continuously growing numbers of deer or stabilized herds, then they must know something.

State allow baiting/feeding because hunters demand it and/or politicians demand it (due to hunter pressure), not because it is good for the deer. And most states that allow baiting are rethinking that policy due to health concerns.


If I saw it as something detrimental to the herd, then I would rethink the situation,...

Are you sure about that? I can give you scientific proof it is detrimental, but I strongly suspect you would ignore that. We humans have a bad habitat of looking for the quick and easy route to whatever we want to acheive, and will ignore or refute anything that stands in our way.


...but as for right now we can simply agree to disagree.

I can live with that.

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#336310 - 08/11/07 06:43 AM Re: Feeding Deer [Re: BSK]
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Good post Greg.
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#336319 - 08/11/07 07:18 AM Re: Feeding Deer [Re: BSK]
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Good post Greg.





This buck was grown without kernal number one fed to him, so it must prove feeding doesn't work. Right?

Bottom line, there is a wealth of information that shows the negatives aspects of supplemental feeding in wild animals. Can anyone present any scientific evidence that shows it's a beneficial practice in a wild herd?



Edited by BigGameGuy (08/11/07 08:30 AM)
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#336428 - 08/11/07 09:12 AM Re: Feeding Deer [Re: wcsd462]
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Blah, Blah, Blah, I have a degree in this and that and know everything. Good thing your arms are long to pat yourself on the back all day! I have a house of 7 and a degree in "If it's brown it's down"! Feed'em , grow'em, clean'em and eat'em.
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#336789 - 08/11/07 06:46 PM Re: Feeding Deer [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
Dark Thirty II wrote:
If my state allows it, and there are continuously growing numbers of deer or stabilized herds, then they must know something.

State allow baiting/feeding because hunters demand it and/or politicians demand it (due to hunter pressure), not because it is good for the deer.

BSK is right again. Michigan has a 2 gallon limit on bait piles. According to DNR big game specialist Rod Clute, the 2 gallon limit is a good compromise between those who want bait banned, and those who want to dump a pick-up load in the woods. Michigan does not have a 2 gallon limit because it is good for the deer. Michigan has a 2 gallon limit because that keeps the least number of hunters from complaining.
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#337034 - 08/11/07 10:20 PM Re: Feeding Deer [Re: Bob S]
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I do agree that natural habitat is an important factor in managing, holding and killing big deer, but if you dont have the right natural habitat I think it should be up to the land owner not the goverment to do what he thinks will work best for his land,whether it is re planting tree's that were logged or planting native brows or even puttng out feeder's. I only have about six oak tree's on my property due to logging,{This was done pryor to me buying it}. In the past couple of years the oaks I do have have not produced so the deer dont hang around becouse the neighbors do have oak's, so in order to compete I feed, I put in food plots,minerals stations I even did some burning to try to promote the groth of natural vegetation. If their was anything else to do I would do that to. The name of the game for me is to hold as many deer on my property as I can to keep the trigger happy neighbors from killing every thing that moves. Age is the first key in killing big deer, second is genetics,{cast do anything about that} third is nutrition, that is where I can help out and at the same time I may see more deer while I am hunting hell I may even help grow the buck of my lifetime.
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#337058 - 08/11/07 10:37 PM Re: Feeding Deer [Re: wcsd462]
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wcsd462,.. you need to plant some sawtooth oaks. Sawtooth's will produce acorns in 6 to 8 years. This will give you a jumpstart back to acorns for the deer.
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#337064 - 08/11/07 10:45 PM Re: Feeding Deer [Re: deerchaser007]
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Thanks deerchaser007
Way ahead of ya. planted a dozen three years ago.
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#337067 - 08/11/07 10:48 PM Re: Feeding Deer [Re: wcsd462]
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Off topic ,.. how is yours doing?? I planted 3 years ago also and have some looking good,.. some not grown much at all.
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