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#3363739 - 09/17/13 09:45 PM Re: Looks like KY is on top of it [Re: fredfred]
smstone22
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Another thing I noticed in the KY deal, the Big South Fork is not included in the hunt. So there goes most of the public land opportunities, because I would think it would go the same way for us. That leaves Pickett State Forest and Scott State Forest, that I can think of, at least in the core bear area. Be glad to have private land.
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#3363800 - 09/17/13 10:19 PM Re: Looks like KY is on top of it [Re: fredfred]
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Hope they open it soon. Great job Ky!
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#3365879 - 09/19/13 12:02 PM Re: Looks like KY is on top of it [Re: BowGirl]
Wes Parrish
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You know, if every bear "outside" the Big South Fork was considered legal game during the regular deer season, there would likely remain a viable bear population going in the Big South Fork.

There's good reason why many large predators were very purposely eliminated or reduced in numbers from Tennessee and Kentucky over 100 years ago: Many large predators generally don't mix well with humans on a day-to-day basis, and that includes the humans in rural areas.

Call me crazy, but I'm perfectly fine with no bears outside BSF, and only a few within. They are not endangered, and we have a surplus for your viewing pleasure in the Smokies. Outside a few uninhabited by humans areas, I believe it's a mistake to be purposefully building up and expanding bear populations. Just allow hunters to take them incidentally outside places like BSF, and hopefully these bears will retain some natural fear of man.

I realize there's more reason not to re-introduce some other large animals which once freely roamed across Kentucky & Tennessee, but it's only to a little lesser degree of problems to people that bears are being re-introduced, while we're not re-introducing free-roaming bison and timber wolves. There's a place for all these, but "protected" to free-roam private property even in say Cumberland or Fentress Counties?

Kudos to the KDFWR for their proposal.

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#3366435 - 09/19/13 07:08 PM Re: Looks like KY is on top of it [Re: Wes Parrish]
dovahkiin
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
You know, if every bear "outside" the Big South Fork was considered legal game during the regular deer season, there would likely remain a viable bear population going in the Big South Fork.

There's good reason why many large predators were very purposely eliminated or reduced in numbers from Tennessee and Kentucky over 100 years ago: Many large predators generally don't mix well with humans on a day-to-day basis, and that includes the humans in rural areas.

Call me crazy, but I'm perfectly fine with no bears outside BSF, and only a few within. They are not endangered, and we have a surplus for your viewing pleasure in the Smokies. Outside a few uninhabited by humans areas, I believe it's a mistake to be purposefully building up and expanding bear populations. Just allow hunters to take them incidentally outside places like BSF, and hopefully these bears will retain some natural fear of man.

I realize there's more reason not to re-introduce some other large animals which once freely roamed across Kentucky & Tennessee, but it's only to a little lesser degree of problems to people that bears are being re-introduced, while we're not re-introducing free-roaming bison and timber wolves. There's a place for all these, but "protected" to free-roam private property even in say Cumberland or Fentress Counties?

Kudos to the KDFWR for their proposal.


agreed

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#3367184 - 09/20/13 10:03 AM Re: Looks like KY is on top of it [Re: dovahkiin]
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The reason they were eliminated years ago was for the hides. Black bear are not considered predators ether. 85% of the black bear's diet consists of vegetation. They will how ever feed on very young or sick/weak animals if given an easy opportunity and carrion
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#3367418 - 09/20/13 12:17 PM Re: Looks like KY is on top of it [Re: fredfred]
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 Originally Posted By: fredfred
Black bear are not considered predators ether. 85% of the black bear's diet consists of vegetation.

On an annual basis, I'm sure most of the black bear's diet consists of vegetation. But they are predators, and they can be very good at preying on deer fawns. In some studies, black bear have consumed a majority of the deer fawns born each year. I'd describe a black bear as being much like a gigantic raccoon, the main difference being the black bear is able to prey on larger animals, sometimes including humans.

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#3367472 - 09/20/13 12:48 PM Re: Looks like KY is on top of it [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
a gigantic raccoon


That is a very accurate description actually. People just need to be educated on how to live around them and there won't be any problems to speak of.
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#3368352 - 09/21/13 09:37 AM Re: Looks like KY is on top of it [Re: fredfred]
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They are now offering Grey wolf hunts!

http://blogs.courier-journal.com/watchdogearth/2013/08/15/yes-it-was-a-wolf-in-kentucky/
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#3370658 - 09/23/13 07:30 AM Re: Looks like KY is on top of it [Re: AT Hiker]
Wes Parrish
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 Originally Posted By: AT Hiker
They are now offering Grey wolf hunts!

If you go up there looking for wolf, watch out for the cougars ---- lots of cougars in Kentucky. \:D

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#3373052 - 09/24/13 08:15 PM Re: Looks like KY is on top of it [Re: Wes Parrish]
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There is little room left for bears in modern America.

Not really sure why the TWRA wants bear populations to expand?

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