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#3360924 - 09/16/13 06:35 AM Looks like KY is on top of it
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Right across that invisible line from me (Wayne Co. KY) they are likely getting a bear season but we are still stalled over here by a special interest group that mostly doesnt even reside here( which Im sure will comment on this post).
http://fw.ky.gov/pdf/proposedbearseasons2013.pdf
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#3361018 - 09/16/13 08:26 AM Re: Looks like KY is on top of it [Re: smstone22]
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Go to KY then. Easy enough
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#3362409 - 09/17/13 08:02 AM Re: Looks like KY is on top of it [Re: fredfred]
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yeah ky has there stuff together, i have been exploring/scouting the mountains in wayne county and mccuary county since they decided to open season up there. good job ky.
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#3362436 - 09/17/13 08:18 AM Re: Looks like KY is on top of it [Re: dovahkiin]
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What he posted is just a proposal. Did they pass it? TWRA proposed a season in Fentress county and it was shot down. I don't see the problem.
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#3362668 - 09/17/13 11:12 AM Re: Looks like KY is on top of it [Re: fredfred]
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The TWRA did not propose a season. Citizens requested one, TWRA recommended against it and TWRC shot it down. KDFWR has actually proposed a season, meaning they recommend it, and from what I can find it is pending approval. Recommendations generally pass. According to the KY hunting guide, only residents of KY can hunt bear, I just skimmed through it. What doesnt make sense about all of it, whether you support a season here or not, is this... we hunters wont be allowed to kill any, but anybody with a crop that bears like has a nuisance permit or is killing them without permit. So in essence, the bears are being killed anyway, its just not hunters that are getting that opportunity. I would prefer hunters have that oppurtunity.
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#3362797 - 09/17/13 12:42 PM Re: Looks like KY is on top of it [Re: smstone22]
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Any idea how many have been killed by permit? How many have you killed on your permit?
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#3362813 - 09/17/13 12:51 PM Re: Looks like KY is on top of it [Re: fredfred]
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 Originally Posted By: fredfred
Any idea how many have been killed by permit? How many have you killed on your permit?

Good question, I dont know but I wish I did. I just know several people that have them, but dont know exactly how many people do. Fortunately I havent had to kill any, I dont want to kill one that way but will if I have to. The problem bear I had in the Spring has since moved on. I still have numerous bears on my place regulary but they arent causing issues so they get a pass.
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#3362837 - 09/17/13 01:10 PM Re: Looks like KY is on top of it [Re: smstone22]
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That's good to hear. The TWRA personal that I have talked to are in favor of a limited season. The TWRC is not. I think KY is going about in the right way. 10 bears or 5 female limit. Call in everyday until the limit is met, November 23 December 1, 2013. I think the dates are a little early. Make it later and most of the pregnant female will be in there dens.
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#3362865 - 09/17/13 01:28 PM Re: Looks like KY is on top of it [Re: fredfred]
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I totally agree. Start conservative and see where your at, makes good sense. TWRA people Ive talked to are also in support but obviously the right people dont support it or they would have recommended it to the TWRC.
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#3363157 - 09/17/13 05:16 PM Re: Looks like KY is on top of it [Re: smstone22]
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Don't take it personally but I still am not in favor of a season, but If there has to be one then I hope they take it nice and slow. I would hate to see them over hunted just when they are starting to be here in numbers.
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#3363739 - 09/17/13 09:45 PM Re: Looks like KY is on top of it [Re: fredfred]
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Another thing I noticed in the KY deal, the Big South Fork is not included in the hunt. So there goes most of the public land opportunities, because I would think it would go the same way for us. That leaves Pickett State Forest and Scott State Forest, that I can think of, at least in the core bear area. Be glad to have private land.
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#3363800 - 09/17/13 10:19 PM Re: Looks like KY is on top of it [Re: fredfred]
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Hope they open it soon. Great job Ky!
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#3365879 - 09/19/13 12:02 PM Re: Looks like KY is on top of it [Re: BowGirl]
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You know, if every bear "outside" the Big South Fork was considered legal game during the regular deer season, there would likely remain a viable bear population going in the Big South Fork.

There's good reason why many large predators were very purposely eliminated or reduced in numbers from Tennessee and Kentucky over 100 years ago: Many large predators generally don't mix well with humans on a day-to-day basis, and that includes the humans in rural areas.

Call me crazy, but I'm perfectly fine with no bears outside BSF, and only a few within. They are not endangered, and we have a surplus for your viewing pleasure in the Smokies. Outside a few uninhabited by humans areas, I believe it's a mistake to be purposefully building up and expanding bear populations. Just allow hunters to take them incidentally outside places like BSF, and hopefully these bears will retain some natural fear of man.

I realize there's more reason not to re-introduce some other large animals which once freely roamed across Kentucky & Tennessee, but it's only to a little lesser degree of problems to people that bears are being re-introduced, while we're not re-introducing free-roaming bison and timber wolves. There's a place for all these, but "protected" to free-roam private property even in say Cumberland or Fentress Counties?

Kudos to the KDFWR for their proposal.

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#3366435 - 09/19/13 07:08 PM Re: Looks like KY is on top of it [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
You know, if every bear "outside" the Big South Fork was considered legal game during the regular deer season, there would likely remain a viable bear population going in the Big South Fork.

There's good reason why many large predators were very purposely eliminated or reduced in numbers from Tennessee and Kentucky over 100 years ago: Many large predators generally don't mix well with humans on a day-to-day basis, and that includes the humans in rural areas.

Call me crazy, but I'm perfectly fine with no bears outside BSF, and only a few within. They are not endangered, and we have a surplus for your viewing pleasure in the Smokies. Outside a few uninhabited by humans areas, I believe it's a mistake to be purposefully building up and expanding bear populations. Just allow hunters to take them incidentally outside places like BSF, and hopefully these bears will retain some natural fear of man.

I realize there's more reason not to re-introduce some other large animals which once freely roamed across Kentucky & Tennessee, but it's only to a little lesser degree of problems to people that bears are being re-introduced, while we're not re-introducing free-roaming bison and timber wolves. There's a place for all these, but "protected" to free-roam private property even in say Cumberland or Fentress Counties?

Kudos to the KDFWR for their proposal.


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#3367184 - 09/20/13 10:03 AM Re: Looks like KY is on top of it [Re: dovahkiin]
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The reason they were eliminated years ago was for the hides. Black bear are not considered predators ether. 85% of the black bear's diet consists of vegetation. They will how ever feed on very young or sick/weak animals if given an easy opportunity and carrion
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#3367418 - 09/20/13 12:17 PM Re: Looks like KY is on top of it [Re: fredfred]
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 Originally Posted By: fredfred
Black bear are not considered predators ether. 85% of the black bear's diet consists of vegetation.

On an annual basis, I'm sure most of the black bear's diet consists of vegetation. But they are predators, and they can be very good at preying on deer fawns. In some studies, black bear have consumed a majority of the deer fawns born each year. I'd describe a black bear as being much like a gigantic raccoon, the main difference being the black bear is able to prey on larger animals, sometimes including humans.

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#3367472 - 09/20/13 12:48 PM Re: Looks like KY is on top of it [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
a gigantic raccoon


That is a very accurate description actually. People just need to be educated on how to live around them and there won't be any problems to speak of.
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#3368352 - 09/21/13 09:37 AM Re: Looks like KY is on top of it [Re: fredfred]
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They are now offering Grey wolf hunts!

http://blogs.courier-journal.com/watchdogearth/2013/08/15/yes-it-was-a-wolf-in-kentucky/
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#3370658 - 09/23/13 07:30 AM Re: Looks like KY is on top of it [Re: AT Hiker]
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 Originally Posted By: AT Hiker
They are now offering Grey wolf hunts!

If you go up there looking for wolf, watch out for the cougars ---- lots of cougars in Kentucky. \:D

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#3373052 - 09/24/13 08:15 PM Re: Looks like KY is on top of it [Re: Wes Parrish]
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There is little room left for bears in modern America.

Not really sure why the TWRA wants bear populations to expand?

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#3373475 - 09/25/13 07:52 AM Re: Looks like KY is on top of it [Re: Doskil]
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 Originally Posted By: Doskil
There is little room left for bears in modern America.

Not really sure why the TWRA wants bear populations to expand?


I am not to worried about Black Bears, granted I am not to aware of their biological impact either (I am sure they do decimate the game population to an extent and cause some human related issues). But those darn "humpies" out West are crazy over populated. The grizzly population in Yellowstone and Glacier National Parks are out of control, plus they eat us too!

Actually I had someone tell me that the black bear population in GSMNP is close to 1 bear per square mile, even if it is 1/2 that it is waaaayyyyy to high. We need to hunt those things within the park, a bear sanctuary is useless if not manged correctly, so is any mis-managed wildlife sanctuary for that matter
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#3373484 - 09/25/13 07:56 AM Re: Looks like KY is on top of it [Re: Doskil]
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I just wish they would spend as much money on Bear expansion as they did on trying to reestablish Elk
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#3373497 - 09/25/13 08:06 AM Re: Looks like KY is on top of it [Re: AT Hiker]
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I am not sure why that is way to high. No hunting should ever be allowed within the park excpet for intrusive animals like hogs and the gov. already culls them through cropping ( they cant stop them though). Bears will and are naturally expanding to the west into middle tennessee. Let it play out.
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#3373804 - 09/25/13 11:15 AM Re: Looks like KY is on top of it [Re: barknoxbrawler]
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 Originally Posted By: barknoxbrawler
No hunting should ever be allowed within the park excpet for intrusive animals like hogs and the gov. already culls them through cropping


I dont think hunting should be "allowed" in a National Park per say, but hunting is an excellent tool to control a population. Each park is different and therefore should be dealt with differently. I think wolves and grizzlies should be hunted on a very controlled bases in Yellowstone, Tetons and Glacier so they become less reliant on humans. I also think Cades Cove deer should be controled and if the Black Bear population is or gets out of control in GSMNP they too should be hunted. What would you rather have, bears mauling humans and/or diseased and starved to death or a responsible hunter go in a ethically control the population, and the park get a good amount of $$ in the process.

A national parks are Americas best idea, its just sad we have to name something different just so we can do different things on them, i.e. National Recreation areas, National Forest...politically correctness has found its way into our National Parks too.
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#3373815 - 09/25/13 11:24 AM Re: Looks like KY is on top of it [Re: AT Hiker]
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Bears simply cause lots of damage around people.

They break into homes, cars, barns, gardens, sheds, ect.

Bears are fine in the national parks but not in the towns.

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#3374585 - 09/25/13 09:59 PM Re: Looks like KY is on top of it [Re: AT Hiker]
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 Originally Posted By: AT Hiker
 Originally Posted By: barknoxbrawler
No hunting should ever be allowed within the park excpet for intrusive animals like hogs and the gov. already culls them through cropping


I dont think hunting should be "allowed" in a National Park per say, but hunting is an excellent tool to control a population. Each park is different and therefore should be dealt with differently. I think wolves and grizzlies should be hunted on a very controlled bases in Yellowstone, Tetons and Glacier so they become less reliant on humans. I also think Cades Cove deer should be controled and if the Black Bear population is or gets out of control in GSMNP they too should be hunted. What would you rather have, bears mauling humans and/or diseased and starved to death or a responsible hunter go in a ethically control the population, and the park get a good amount of $$ in the process.

A national parks are Americas best idea, its just sad we have to name something different just so we can do different things on them, i.e. National Recreation areas, National Forest...politically correctness has found its way into our National Parks too.


Hunters kill a lot of Bear at GSMNP
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#3374589 - 09/25/13 10:00 PM Re: Looks like KY is on top of it [Re: Doskil]
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 Originally Posted By: Doskil
Bears simply cause lots of damage around people.

They break into homes, cars, barns, gardens, sheds, ect.

Bears are fine in the national parks but not in the towns.



Kinda like Hood Rats \:D
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#3376436 - 09/27/13 08:29 AM Re: Looks like KY is on top of it [Re: fredfred]
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 Originally Posted By: fredfred
 Originally Posted By: AT Hiker
 Originally Posted By: barknoxbrawler
No hunting should ever be allowed within the park excpet for intrusive animals like hogs and the gov. already culls them through cropping


I dont think hunting should be "allowed" in a National Park per say, but hunting is an excellent tool to control a population. Each park is different and therefore should be dealt with differently. I think wolves and grizzlies should be hunted on a very controlled bases in Yellowstone, Tetons and Glacier so they become less reliant on humans. I also think Cades Cove deer should be controled and if the Black Bear population is or gets out of control in GSMNP they too should be hunted. What would you rather have, bears mauling humans and/or diseased and starved to death or a responsible hunter go in a ethically control the population, and the park get a good amount of $$ in the process.

A national parks are Americas best idea, its just sad we have to name something different just so we can do different things on them, i.e. National Recreation areas, National Forest...politically correctness has found its way into our National Parks too.


Hunters kill a lot of Bear at GSMNP


Not legally as ALL sport hunting is closed in the Park.

A lot of bears ARE killed right outside the Park.
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#3377203 - 09/27/13 08:06 PM Re: Looks like KY is on top of it [Re: scn]
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 Originally Posted By: scn
 Originally Posted By: fredfred
 Originally Posted By: AT Hiker
 Originally Posted By: barknoxbrawler
No hunting should ever be allowed within the park excpet for intrusive animals like hogs and the gov. already culls them through cropping


I dont think hunting should be "allowed" in a National Park per say, but hunting is an excellent tool to control a population. Each park is different and therefore should be dealt with differently. I think wolves and grizzlies should be hunted on a very controlled bases in Yellowstone, Tetons and Glacier so they become less reliant on humans. I also think Cades Cove deer should be controled and if the Black Bear population is or gets out of control in GSMNP they too should be hunted. What would you rather have, bears mauling humans and/or diseased and starved to death or a responsible hunter go in a ethically control the population, and the park get a good amount of $$ in the process.

A national parks are Americas best idea, its just sad we have to name something different just so we can do different things on them, i.e. National Recreation areas, National Forest...politically correctness has found its way into our National Parks too.


Hunters kill a lot of Bear at GSMNP


Not legally as ALL sport hunting is closed in the Park.

A lot of bears ARE killed right outside the Park.


My bad, I was referring to Cherokee National Forest
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#3387037 - 10/03/13 09:35 PM Re: Looks like KY is on top of it [Re: fredfred]
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I'd like to see Ky make bear permits available to non residents.
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