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#3357947 - 09/13/13 10:33 AM Re: Need a second opinion [Re: infoman jr.]
smstone22
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50-75lbs or even more per acre would be my advice. What kind of clover are you planting? If your goal is a perennial clover plot then you would do things differently with that versus just an annual clover.
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#3357949 - 09/13/13 10:34 AM Re: Need a second opinion [Re: infoman jr.]
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For cereal grains alone, the recommendation is 120#s per acre. So if you mix, the smallest I've seen is 50#s per acre. Do your research on clovers. Whites (ladino, durana) generally recommend 5#s or so per acre. Reds and crimson generally recommend 15-30#s per acre. Check out this summary sheet.

http://msucares.com/pubs/misc/m1591.pdf


Edited by drrxnupe (09/13/13 11:01 AM)

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#3357950 - 09/13/13 10:34 AM Re: Need a second opinion [Re: smstone22]
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These are meant to be annual plots.
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#3357954 - 09/13/13 10:37 AM Re: Need a second opinion [Re: infoman jr.]
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Annual.. so you must be buying crimson clover more than likely?Have you soil tested to see if that amount of fertilizer is needed? That fertilizer is where alot of money goes down the drain.
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#3357978 - 09/13/13 10:58 AM Re: Need a second opinion [Re: drrxnupe]
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 Originally Posted By: drrxnupe
For cereal grains alone, the recommendation is 120#s per acre. So if you mix, the smallest I've seen is 50#s per acre. Do your research on clovers. Whites (ladino, durana) generally recommend 5#s or so per acre. Reds and crimson generally recommend 15-30#s per acre. Check out this summary sheet.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&...0,d.b2I&cad=rja

At the bottom, it says this:
BAll of the above planting rates assume a complete stand for each species. If you plan to mix species, reduce planting rates (such as when broadcasting a 50/50 mixture of wheat and oats, use 60 lbs of each for a total of 120 lbs)

We were splitting our seeds proportionally to the number of different types of seeds. In their example, they use 50% because of using 2 seeds; in our application we were going to use 20% based on 5 seed types. This seems intuitive to me.
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#3357979 - 09/13/13 11:00 AM Re: Need a second opinion [Re: smstone22]
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On Wheat and Oats, I plant 100 lbs per acre
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#3357988 - 09/13/13 11:08 AM Re: Need a second opinion [Re: A.Hall]
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OK, new question so we're all on the same page. If you have a 1-acre plot to plant. You're planting
wheat, oats, rape, turnips, clover

What weight of each seed will you plant on that ONE acre?
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#3357991 - 09/13/13 11:10 AM Re: Need a second opinion [Re: infoman jr.]
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 Originally Posted By: infoman jr.
 Originally Posted By: drrxnupe
For cereal grains alone, the recommendation is 120#s per acre. So if you mix, the smallest I've seen is 50#s per acre. Do your research on clovers. Whites (ladino, durana) generally recommend 5#s or so per acre. Reds and crimson generally recommend 15-30#s per acre. Check out this summary sheet.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&...0,d.b2I&cad=rja

At the bottom, it says this:
BAll of the above planting rates assume a complete stand for each species. If you plan to mix species, reduce planting rates (such as when broadcasting a 50/50 mixture of wheat and oats, use 60 lbs of each for a total of 120 lbs)

We were splitting our seeds proportionally to the number of different types of seeds. In their example, they use 50% because of using 2 seeds; in our application we were going to use 20% based on 5 seed types. This seems intuitive to me.


That would work if all your seed was the same size but they are not. A lot more clover seed in a pound than a pound of oats.
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#3357993 - 09/13/13 11:13 AM Re: Need a second opinion [Re: muddyboots]
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 Originally Posted By: muddyboots
 Originally Posted By: infoman jr.
 Originally Posted By: drrxnupe
For cereal grains alone, the recommendation is 120#s per acre. So if you mix, the smallest I've seen is 50#s per acre. Do your research on clovers. Whites (ladino, durana) generally recommend 5#s or so per acre. Reds and crimson generally recommend 15-30#s per acre. Check out this summary sheet.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&...0,d.b2I&cad=rja

At the bottom, it says this:
BAll of the above planting rates assume a complete stand for each species. If you plan to mix species, reduce planting rates (such as when broadcasting a 50/50 mixture of wheat and oats, use 60 lbs of each for a total of 120 lbs)

We were splitting our seeds proportionally to the number of different types of seeds. In their example, they use 50% because of using 2 seeds; in our application we were going to use 20% based on 5 seed types. This seems intuitive to me.


That would work if all your seed was the same size but they are not. A lot more clover seed in a pound than a pound of oats.

That's exactly why we did 20% of the suggested broadcast rate for each seed.
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#3358076 - 09/13/13 12:15 PM Re: Need a second opinion [Re: infoman jr.]
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Heres my figures using 20 percent

Wheat recommended at 100 lb per acre x 20 percent = 20 lb per acre
Oats recommended at 100 lb per acre x 20 percent = 20 lb per acre
rape recommended at 10 lb per acre x 20 percent = 2 lb per acre
turnips recommended at 10 lb per acres x 20 percent = 2 lb per acre
white clover recommended at 10 lb per acre x 20 percent = 2 lb per acre

Using that method you would need 20 lb of oats, 20 lbs of wheat, 2 lbs of rape, 2 lbs of turnip, and 2 lbs of clover to the acre. Personally I would up the wheat and oats to about 30 lbs each.
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