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#3347325 - 09/04/13 06:14 PM 10 THINGS WE KNOW ABOUT MATURE BUCK MOVEMENT
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Here is the link.

http://www.qdma.com/articles/10-things-we-know-about-mature-buck-movements
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#3347358 - 09/04/13 06:49 PM Re: 10 THINGS WE KNOW ABOUT MATURE BUCK MOVEMENT [Re: 8 POINTS OR BETTER]
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Some very interesting stuff in there.
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#3347899 - 09/05/13 08:42 AM Re: 10 THINGS WE KNOW ABOUT MATURE BUCK MOVEMENT [Re: smstone22]
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AWESOME article!

In the section on bucks responding to hunting pressure:

"They found that at 1 hunter per 250 acres, minimal effect could be seen in the way bucks move. However, at 1 hunter per 75 acres bucks responded by choosing thicker cover, they traveled less, and observation rates/hunter success decreased; and, once the season opened, it only took three days for bucks to change their behavior."

From assessing many years of trail-cam data from a variety of situations and locations, I've been saying for years that I can easily pick out the dates that significant hunting pressure begins on a monitored property. Bucks suddenly shift to far more nocturnal movement within 48 hours of the beginning of that hunting pressure. Nice to see the GPS collar data confirming that.
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#3347994 - 09/05/13 10:09 AM Re: 10 THINGS WE KNOW ABOUT MATURE BUCK MOVEMENT [Re: BSK]
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Great article! Thanks for posting
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#3348154 - 09/05/13 12:06 PM Re: 10 THINGS WE KNOW ABOUT MATURE BUCK MOVEMENT [Re: JCDEERMAN]
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I agree,less human pressure,more buck movement during the day,no doubt!
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#3348156 - 09/05/13 12:10 PM Re: 10 THINGS WE KNOW ABOUT MATURE BUCK MOVEMENT [Re: Football Hunter]
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I agree 100%. But sometimes there is just no controlling it. For the people that just hunt a small property like myself, even If I choose not to go because it aint right, my neighbor will and it will hurt it regardless.
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#3348295 - 09/05/13 02:28 PM Re: 10 THINGS WE KNOW ABOUT MATURE BUCK MOVEMENT [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
AWESOME article!

In the section on bucks responding to hunting pressure:

"They found that at 1 hunter per 250 acres, minimal effect could be seen in the way bucks move. However, at 1 hunter per 75 acres bucks responded by choosing thicker cover, they traveled less, and observation rates/hunter success decreased; and, once the season opened, it only took three days for bucks to change their behavior."

From assessing many years of trail-cam data from a variety of situations and locations, I've been saying for years that I can easily pick out the dates that significant hunting pressure begins on a monitored property. Bucks suddenly shift to far more nocturnal movement within 48 hours of the beginning of that hunting pressure. Nice to see the GPS collar data confirming that.


Very interesting. Are they saying deer can count now? Does that mean there is a hunter on every 75 acres at any one time? If you have a club like Ames with 1 member every 160 acres. But, at most on any day, there is only 1 hunter every 320 acres. In other words, not everyone hunts every day. Also, the deer are used to seeing people in the woods year round doing tick research etc. I wonder how much the deer are really affected by hunter behavior. May-be the article is saying that some hunting pressure is tolerated but when you have intense pressure the deer move to thicker cover. This could also be explained due to foliage drop at the same time. There seems to be little doubt that deer respond to pressure of all kinds. I know its difficult to see a doe after the bucks start chasing them. All deer seem to know when hunting season starts. Seems to be part of their DNA. All things equal, and they never are, I would prefer to hunt a property with less hunting pressure than more. But, its interesting they can put a number on it when there seems to be so many other variables.
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#3348320 - 09/05/13 02:53 PM Re: 10 THINGS WE KNOW ABOUT MATURE BUCK MOVEMENT [Re: fairchaser]
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Told me exactly what 10 years of trail cams have told me. Some bucks stay in about a 100 acre or less area and some cover lots of ground.

Not shocking but the bucks I hunt that have bigger core areas get killed and the ones with small core areas don't.
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#3348323 - 09/05/13 02:55 PM Re: 10 THINGS WE KNOW ABOUT MATURE BUCK MOVEMENT [Re: AlabamaSwamper]
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Great read! Thanks for posting!
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#3348359 - 09/05/13 03:31 PM Re: 10 THINGS WE KNOW ABOUT MATURE BUCK MOVEMENT [Re: fairchaser]
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 Originally Posted By: fairchaser
But, its interesting they can put a number on it when there seems to be so many other variables.


I seriously doubt they are suggesting hunter density is the ONLY factor. However, it is certainly a major factor. I also believe they are suggesting very low level hunting pressure (very low hunter density) has minimal impact on older buck movement, even if applied over a long period of time. But as hunter density increases, bucks react more strongly and more rapidly to it.

For years, I tracked hunting hours per acre, and I could really tell when it reached a given point on a property (generally, around 0.50 hunting hours per acre). However, as anyone would realize--how rapidly that hunting pressure is accumulated (hunter density) would certainly effect the results.
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#3348406 - 09/05/13 04:12 PM Re: 10 THINGS WE KNOW ABOUT MATURE BUCK MOVEMENT [Re: BSK]
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BSK,

More than once the article stresses dawn and dusk peaks in movement, but it does not discuss peaks in movement during hunting season.

Even under hunting pressure, are dawn and dusk the most active time for mature bucks?

I know you do not see much mid-day activity on your property. On the properties where you run cameras that experience a bump in activity mid-day, how large is the increase in activity? Is there a difference in mid-day activity before hunting season versus during hunting season?
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#3348629 - 09/05/13 07:43 PM Re: 10 THINGS WE KNOW ABOUT MATURE BUCK MOVEMENT [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: fairchaser
But, its interesting they can put a number on it when there seems to be so many other variables.


I seriously doubt they are suggesting hunter density is the ONLY factor. However, it is certainly a major factor. I also believe they are suggesting very low level hunting pressure (very low hunter density) has minimal impact on older buck movement, even if applied over a long period of time. But as hunter density increases, bucks react more strongly and more rapidly to it.

For years, I tracked hunting hours per acre, and I could really tell when it reached a given point on a property (generally, around 0.50 hunting hours per acre). However, as anyone would realize--how rapidly that hunting pressure is accumulated (hunter density) would certainly effect the results.


Now that is the kind of research that I can relate to.
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#3349131 - 09/06/13 08:12 AM Re: 10 THINGS WE KNOW ABOUT MATURE BUCK MOVEMENT [Re: fairchaser]
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 Originally Posted By: fairchaser
 Originally Posted By: BSK
For years, I tracked hunting hours per acre, and I could really tell when it reached a given point on a property (generally, around 0.50 hunting hours per acre). However, as anyone would realize--how rapidly that hunting pressure is accumulated (hunter density) would certainly effect the results.


Now that is the kind of research that I can relate to.


fairchaser,

What I really should have been looking at was not just accumulated hunting pressure, but the rapidity of that accumulated hunting pressure. I have no doubt that accumulating 0.5 hours of hunting pressure per acre (50 hours of hunting time for every 100 acres) over two months is different than accumulating that same level of pressure over just two weeks.
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#3349142 - 09/06/13 08:21 AM Re: 10 THINGS WE KNOW ABOUT MATURE BUCK MOVEMENT [Re: WMAn]
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 Originally Posted By: WMAn
BSK,

More than once the article stresses dawn and dusk peaks in movement, but it does not discuss peaks in movement during hunting season.

Even under hunting pressure, are dawn and dusk the most active time for mature bucks?


I think the big difference between camera research and GPS-collar research is that the GPS-collar follows the deer, while cameras are placed where deer are most likely to move. However, few hunters or researchers want to place cameras in places where very hunter-wary deer are most likely to move during daylight once hunting pressure is applied, most notably, in sanctuaries. Personally, I'm almost never willing to crawl into a sanctuary to place and check a camera. That would defeat the purpose of the sanctuary. I would need to look at the actual GPS positions plotted on a habitat map, but I would bet good money the continued peaks of dawn and dusk movement of older bucks reported in these studies are occurring in very thick cover, where neither hunters nor cameras are located.

With camera data, I see the greatest peaks in older buck movement at night because my cameras are placed outside of sanctuary cover. If I had cameras in sanctuaries, I would probably get different results.


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I know you do not see much mid-day activity on your property. On the properties where you run cameras that experience a bump in activity mid-day, how large is the increase in activity? Is there a difference in mid-day activity before hunting season versus during hunting season?


My property appears to be an anomaly, as I definitely see a blip of mid-day movement of older bucks on other properties. But it is just that, a blip--about a quarter of the intensity of night-time peaks.

These mid-day peaks appear to be non-natural, in that they are hunting pressure induced. They are definitely strongest during hunting season, and I don't seem them in fall on unhunted properties.
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#3349163 - 09/06/13 08:32 AM Re: 10 THINGS WE KNOW ABOUT MATURE BUCK MOVEMENT [Re: BSK]
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Remember this article is emphasizing mature bucks. Heck, if I even check my trail cam during the summer, I usually donít get a mature buck on it for 4-5 days. I have noticed that mature bucks could be visiting the site daily and as soon as I check the camera they are gone for a few days. I am sure they are still in the area, but it does show that just the slightest intrusion effects there movements. I still get pics of 2.5 year old that same day, but not the big boys.
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#3349368 - 09/06/13 11:36 AM Re: 10 THINGS WE KNOW ABOUT MATURE BUCK MOVEMENT [Re: Bayou Buck]
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 Originally Posted By: Bayou Buck
Remember this article is emphasizing mature bucks. Heck, if I even check my trail cam during the summer, I usually donít get a mature buck on it for 4-5 days. I have noticed that mature bucks could be visiting the site daily and as soon as I check the camera they are gone for a few days. I am sure they are still in the area, but it does show that just the slightest intrusion effects there movements. I still get pics of 2.5 year old that same day, but not the big boys.


Several of us have added cameras that send pics to our phones and one thing we have noticed is the lack of camera activity for the first three days on all deer, especially mature bucks.
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#3349374 - 09/06/13 11:43 AM Re: 10 THINGS WE KNOW ABOUT MATURE BUCK MOVEMENT [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: fairchaser
 Originally Posted By: BSK
For years, I tracked hunting hours per acre, and I could really tell when it reached a given point on a property (generally, around 0.50 hunting hours per acre). However, as anyone would realize--how rapidly that hunting pressure is accumulated (hunter density) would certainly effect the results.


Now that is the kind of research that I can relate to.


fairchaser,

What I really should have been looking at was not just accumulated hunting pressure, but the rapidity of that accumulated hunting pressure. I have no doubt that accumulating 0.5 hours of hunting pressure per acre (50 hours of hunting time for every 100 acres) over two months is different than accumulating that same level of pressure over just two weeks.


An interesting chart might show doe/buck/mature buck sightings versus hunting pressure as measured by hunting hours per acre. I wonder if I can get Ames management to produce this since they have the data for such a chart, as they record sightings, grids, hours and dates.
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#3349699 - 09/06/13 04:37 PM Re: 10 THINGS WE KNOW ABOUT MATURE BUCK MOVEMENT [Re: Bayou Buck]
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 Originally Posted By: Bayou Buck
Remember this article is emphasizing mature bucks. Heck, if I even check my trail cam during the summer, I usually donít get a mature buck on it for 4-5 days. I have noticed that mature bucks could be visiting the site daily and as soon as I check the camera they are gone for a few days. I am sure they are still in the area, but it does show that just the slightest intrusion effects there movements. I still get pics of 2.5 year old that same day, but not the big boys.


You do have to be extraordinarily careful when checking cams. I've implemented a procedure that regularly produces mature buck photos within hours of my visit. Now I don't for a second think I'm having no impact at all, but I have learned how to greatly minimized my impact over the years, all through trial and error.
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#3349702 - 09/06/13 04:38 PM Re: 10 THINGS WE KNOW ABOUT MATURE BUCK MOVEMENT [Re: fairchaser]
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 Originally Posted By: fairchaser
An interesting chart might show doe/buck/mature buck sightings versus hunting pressure as measured by hunting hours per acre. I wonder if I can get Ames management to produce this since they have the data for such a chart, as they record sightings, grids, hours and dates.


I have those types of charts, but honestly, I need to find a way to add the "rate" of hunting pressure accumulation to the equation.
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#3350904 - 09/07/13 07:08 PM Re: 10 THINGS WE KNOW ABOUT MATURE BUCK MOVEMENT [Re: BSK]
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I really enjoyed reading this article.
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#3352232 - 09/08/13 09:20 PM Re: 10 THINGS WE KNOW ABOUT MATURE BUCK MOVEMENT [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Bayou Buck
Remember this article is emphasizing mature bucks. Heck, if I even check my trail cam during the summer, I usually don’t get a mature buck on it for 4-5 days. I have noticed that mature bucks could be visiting the site daily and as soon as I check the camera they are gone for a few days. I am sure they are still in the area, but it does show that just the slightest intrusion effects there movements. I still get pics of 2.5 year old that same day, but not the big boys.


You do have to be extraordinarily careful when checking cams. I've implemented a procedure that regularly produces mature buck photos within hours of my visit. Now I don't for a second think I'm having no impact at all, but I have learned how to greatly minimized my impact over the years, all through trial and error.


Can you explain more about this procedure?

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#3352482 - 09/09/13 07:57 AM Re: 10 THINGS WE KNOW ABOUT MATURE BUCK MOVEMENT [Re: jmf]
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jmf,

First, I take nearly as many scent precautions, such as clothes and body washed in scent-reducing detergents (not just scent-free detergents, but scent-reducing detergents), for checking cameras as I would going hunting.

Second, when checking cameras I wear a cheap plastic-type rainsuit, to keep the scent of my body contained and to prevent my cotton clothes from rubbing against and leaving scent on grass, brush, and briers. A rainsuit is easily washed off and sprayed down with scent-reducing sprays.

Third, I try to find locations for cameras that are easily reached by vehicle, rather than requiring long walks cross-country. I'm firmly convinced these long-distance walks cross-country produce the worst scent intrusions.

Lastly, and in my opinion most importantly, I ride an ATV or other vehicle right up to each camera. This prevents me from having to walk around and leave scent right at the camera site. It doesn't appear that ATVs or vehicles leave scent that deer react highly negatively to.
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#3353419 - 09/09/13 09:17 PM Re: 10 THINGS WE KNOW ABOUT MATURE BUCK MOVEMENT [Re: BSK]
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Great article, thanks for sharing. One a side note, I bet Alsheimer hates it was published. \:\)
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#3361614 - 09/16/13 04:33 PM Re: 10 THINGS WE KNOW ABOUT MATURE BUCK MOVEMENT [Re: 8 POINTS OR BETTER]
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Good news/bad news for Presidents Island.

quote from article: "site-fidelity is so strong that in one case a research project lost nearly 30 percent of their collared bucks to flooding because those deer refused to leave and simply ran out of food or drowned; the others returned to the study site immediately after the water receded."
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#3369161 - 09/21/13 08:09 PM Re: 10 THINGS WE KNOW ABOUT MATURE BUCK MOVEMENT [Re: BSK]
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I have noticed how if you bust a buck , older one, once, he then gets very careful about being seen in the same spot again. I missed on a few years back having taken a shot on a tues of first week of MZ. I did not hunt that scrape again since he not only winded me I shot at him also, I shot him 350 yards down the same hollow 9 days later after a thunderstorm came thru on the 18th of nov. while he was out and about freshening his scrapes all night long and he made the mistake of still being around at 8am. What a feeling. 4.5 years old and a nice buck!

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