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#3341950 - 08/30/13 02:05 PM Re: Worst food plot weeds [Re: BSK]
woodsman87
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I actually thought that having johnsongrass and crabgrass would be good. I see deer eat crabgrass all the time. (I think that is what they eat.) I thought Johnson grass would be good for them too, its kinda like a wild millet.
Tell me if I am wrong.


Deer very rarely eat grasses of any kind (with the exception of highly hybridized agricultural "grasses" like corn and grains). Deer do not have the digestive bacteria necessary to digest grasses.


Did not know that. Thanks. I guess they are eating clover or something. I am no deer biologist, and I thought if cows loved crabgrass then the deer would too.


The environment of a deer's stomach is very different than the environment of a cow's stomach. A cow's stomach will grow and maintain the bacteria needed to break down grasses. A deer's stomach will not support these bacteria. When you see a deer out feeding in a pasture, they are not eating the grasses (on purpose), but are attempting to pick between the grass blades to reach broadleaf plants, such as clovers and other wild legumes and forbs.


You said that lespedeza is also a problem. I am not in the know, but I have heard good things about this too. But that maybe for only cows, or to use as a crop to put nitrogen back in the soil for grasses.

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#3341951 - 08/30/13 02:05 PM Re: Worst food plot weeds [Re: smstone22]
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There are no grasses for a long way around me though except for some NWSG that I maintain, just woods.


That's probably the big difference. All of my largest plots are part of power-line right-of-ways, that have been in mixed grasses, forbs and young hardwood saplings for 50+ years before I started working the soil. I've probably got more than half a century's worth of grass seed in the soil.
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#3341962 - 08/30/13 02:12 PM Re: Worst food plot weeds [Re: woodsman87]
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You said that lespedeza is also a problem. I am not in the know, but I have heard good things about this too. But that maybe for only cows, or to use as a crop to put nitrogen back in the soil for grasses.


Many different types of lespedeza exist, from the Annual lespedezas (Kummerowia family) to the perennial varieties of lespedeza (Lespedeza family), such as the very common sericea lespedeza to the woody bicolor lespedeza. Deer rarely touch sericea lespedeza, but they will browse woody bicolor lespedeza. Deer rarely utilize the Annual lespedezas, but other animals, especially birds, will eat the seeds.
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#3341969 - 08/30/13 02:19 PM Re: Worst food plot weeds [Re: BSK]
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You said that lespedeza is also a problem. I am not in the know, but I have heard good things about this too. But that maybe for only cows, or to use as a crop to put nitrogen back in the soil for grasses.


Many different types of lespedeza exist, from the Annual lespedezas (Kummerowia family) to the perennial varieties of lespedeza (Lespedeza family), such as the very common sericea lespedeza to the woody bicolor lespedeza. Deer rarely touch sericea lespedeza, but they will browse woody bicolor lespedeza. Deer rarely utilize the Annual lespedezas, but other animals, especially birds, will eat the seeds.


I guess thats why you hear quail and turkey people say they like certian lespedezas. All I know about lespedezas is killing them in peoples yards back when I was in turf management.

Yall ever use vetch for anything? It comes up wild on place, but I hear of people planting it as well.

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#3341971 - 08/30/13 02:20 PM Re: Worst food plot weeds [Re: woodsman87]
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I used to plant crown vetch quite a bit, especially in newly established food plots in poor soil, or to provide plant cover in log-loading decks.
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#3341985 - 08/30/13 02:36 PM Re: Worst food plot weeds [Re: BSK]
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Do any of you not have a problem with perilla mint? I know this is more of a common grazing weed but I have seen this starting to make an appearance elsewhere as well.
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#3341987 - 08/30/13 02:37 PM Re: Worst food plot weeds [Re: AT Hiker]
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Do any of you not have a problem with perilla mint? I know this is more of a common grazing weed but I have seen this starting to make an appearance elsewhere as well.
Thats what we are calling beefsteak plant. Perilla frutescens
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#3341998 - 08/30/13 02:46 PM Re: Worst food plot weeds [Re: AT Hiker]
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 Originally Posted By: AT Hiker
Do any of you not have a problem with perilla mint? I know this is more of a common grazing weed but I have seen this starting to make an appearance elsewhere as well.


Same thing as beefsteak. It is my number one. Its hideous looking, good for nothing, and spreads like wildfire.

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#3342010 - 08/30/13 02:52 PM Re: Worst food plot weeds [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: smstone22
There are no grasses for a long way around me though except for some NWSG that I maintain, just woods.


That's probably the big difference. All of my largest plots are part of power-line right-of-ways, that have been in mixed grasses, forbs and young hardwood saplings for 50+ years before I started working the soil. I've probably got more than half a century's worth of grass seed in the soil.
I Have acres and acres of grassy fields to my north,it never ends with the grasses for me,but this year I just didn't get out and spray soon enough.
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#3342012 - 08/30/13 02:53 PM Re: Worst food plot weeds [Re: AT Hiker]
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Do any of you not have a problem with perilla mint? I know this is more of a common grazing weed but I have seen this starting to make an appearance elsewhere as well.
Yep,and it SUCKS! Why cant my fields get overrun with poke weed ???? \:\)
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