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#3339168 - 08/28/13 10:34 AM what is too fast
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I did not wish to hijack Kirk`s post so I started another. Near Tragedy could be near death. Boats and motors have come along way. Both the boats and motors are being designed to go faster. At what point do we do like NASCAR and put restrictors on these fast boys. It ain`t no fun being in a 14 ft boat with a 9.9 motor and having a 20 ft 200hp bass boat swamp you. Also even a 19 to 20 foot boat can be swamped. I was on a 20 ft pontoon boat and had a high speed boat cut across in front of us. The wake came over the front of the pontoon. There are no brakes on a boat. It is a wonder that more tragedies and even death do not occur. Also I am in favor of a mandatory boater safety course. Too many idjuts operating toy they don`t know how to properly operate. Please feel free to agree or tell me to mind my own.
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#3339178 - 08/28/13 10:41 AM Re: what is too fast [Re: caretaker]
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Dunno but when I see guys with full face helments and neck collars flying across a lake, I get out of the way! I will say I run about 50 most of the time and have a top end of 65 fully outfitted with two people on board. I test drove a 21' Blazer with a 250 merc on it. At 75 on the GPS and more to go I decided I did not need a boat that fast, ever. Went with a 18.5' and a 150hp to get me there and back and have been happy ever since.

I think everyone should take the Coast Guard boater safety course. Knowing what all those markers on the water mean can save expensive boat repairs or a life. I have taken it three times over the years.
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#3339212 - 08/28/13 10:55 AM Re: what is too fast [Re: Unicam]
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I have one question. I know I never have caught any but wonder how many have caught fish trolling at 60 mph.
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#3339223 - 08/28/13 11:01 AM Re: what is too fast [Re: caretaker]
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I would rather have a boat come by me 60mph plus than have one come by at half throttle making a two foot wave. I have never saw a wave from a high speed boat that would even come close to swamping any boat! When they are running top speed, there isn't enough boat in the water to make much of a wave!
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#3339266 - 08/28/13 11:34 AM Re: what is too fast [Re: TNLynn]
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 Originally Posted By: TNLynn
I would rather have a boat come by me 60mph plus than have one come by at half throttle making a two foot wave. I have never saw a wave from a high speed boat that would even come close to swamping any boat! When they are running top speed, there isn't enough boat in the water to make much of a wave!


True, I dont like the big cruisers pushing a wall of water either, but I also get out of their way as well. We all have to share the water out there and like anything else, head on a swivel and keeping an eye out is a must. I guess my opinion of the speed demons is by almost being hit twice by them on my home lake. Both times they were running inside of the left channel marker on a sharp point.
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#3339296 - 08/28/13 12:12 PM Re: what is too fast [Re: caretaker]
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Just so you know (in case you didn't), there already is a mandatory boating safety education requirement in TN... Any Tennessee resident born after January 1, 1989 must show the TWRA-issued wallet Boating Safety Education Certificate as proof of successful completion of the TWRA Boating Safety exam. See: http://www.tn.gov/twra/boated.html My guess however is that it is only selectively enforced, so far.

Obviously that currently only applies to folks 24 yoa or younger... but age limit grows each year.

And I agree... I MUCH prefer a boat going by at 60 than at half throttle (or the infamous cruiser that's drafting a 4-foot wake).
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#3339304 - 08/28/13 12:19 PM Re: what is too fast [Re: rsimms]
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I rode in a boat not long ago and we got up to 65 with plenty left.

For me, personally, that was too fast. \:D

I had total confidence in the captain but just wasn't "at ease".

It is all about personal preference and personal ABILITY.

Even the most seasoned "captains" can not see a wave or whatever and end up in trouble but no matter what there will ALWAYS be those that feel they know it all and can handle anything.

So to answer your question, for me, anything over about 20. \:D
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#3339335 - 08/28/13 12:44 PM Re: what is too fast [Re: RUGER]
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I have rode in an Allison Bass Boat with a 250 Mercury and we were GPSing at 87 MPH. This was a dual console so the sense of speed was not as obvious as it would have been in a non console passenger side. It scared the heck out of me. When on pad, the only thing touching the water is about two foot of the transom end of the boat and the foot of the motor. So actual water contact is minimal. Had we hit a wave at that speed we probably both would have been ejected from the boat.

Driving a car is not like driving a boat. Most roads don't have continually changing topography in the same spot. Imagine driving along a familiar stretch of road in your car at 80 miles per hour and someone sneaks a ramp in the road in front of you. You will go airborne. Same with a boat if you don't see a big wave you will leave the water.

I can drive a boat at 60MPH and still react to changes in the water. You have enough reaction time get out of the throttle and trim down if you are paying attention. At 70MPH that reaction time is a lot less. Anything over 80, you are on it before you realize it.



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#3339565 - 08/28/13 03:39 PM Re: what is too fast [Re: TNLynn]
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 Originally Posted By: TNLynn
I would rather have a boat come by me 60mph plus than have one come by at half throttle making a two foot wave. I have never saw a wave from a high speed boat that would even come close to swamping any boat! When they are running top speed, there isn't enough boat in the water to make much of a wave!


Agreed. A bass boat at full throttle no matter how fast they are going is not throwing a wake to swamp a boat. Half throttle or the big ski boats and cruisers is what will throw a big wave.
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#3339589 - 08/28/13 03:58 PM Re: what is too fast [Re: Kirk]
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.....I miss my Allison

Going fast comes at a risk, but in mature and experienced hands it is no different than any other boat on the water. I sold my Allison because I couldn't keep up with the bigger and heavier Stratos and Tritons. That's right! If you don't get first flight on morning tourney, you cant hammer through the chop like they can. And FORGET an evening tournament, 45mph felt like I was going to break the boat in half. Light and nimble only counts on flat water, and although I miss those teary eyes I was more happy on my 201 Pro XL, even if it was a boring ride.

BTW my 201 had a 225, but did not compare to the Allison... now I have a kayak LOL
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#3339616 - 08/28/13 04:18 PM Re: what is too fast [Re: Urban_Hunter]
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Would much rather have a boat come by on step. Hate those big cruisers. While boats do not have brakes, some can stop very fast. My boat can stop fast enough to throw you to the front deck.
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#3339842 - 08/28/13 07:47 PM Re: what is too fast [Re: AllOutdoors]
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I have a 175 on my 19 ft. Now usually I don't get over 55-60, but have had it wide open... Once. Too much for me on anything that doesn't look like glass.

I'd agree with others I'd rather have a bass boat trimmed up making 80 come by me rather than a mastercraft slow down as they come past me acting like they are doing me a favor. I think they just don't realize that throws more wake than running it full out. Have to admit before I started fishing I never realized how bad some of those wakes can be

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#3340028 - 08/28/13 10:00 PM Re: what is too fast [Re: David]
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I have a 17.5' Sprint with a 200 merc.88mph wide open.Learned my lesson early on when I hit a ski boat wake doing 80mph.The boat jumped the wake and landed sideways.I was very lucky not to get thrown out and it cracked the transom.What ticks me off is when idiots come idling by with their motor trimmed all the way up.
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#3340096 - 08/29/13 04:21 AM Re: what is too fast [Re: barkscaler]
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once upon a time I had one of those fast boats. I had the lake to myself one weekday morning and decided to see what it had. it pegged the 75 mph speedometer at 3/4 throttle and i'm guessing it was pushing 90 when I backed off. I sold it 2 weeks later. now, my little 25hp Yamaha pushes my 16 ft. alum polarkraft at 28 mph according to gps with 2 fishermen and gear. that's plenty fast enough for me.
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#3340328 - 08/29/13 08:47 AM Re: what is too fast [Re: stik]
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28mph its pretty dang quick for a 25hp motor.
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#3340378 - 08/29/13 09:38 AM Re: what is too fast [Re: DogGoneCoon]
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ok , I can see a division in opinions. Some think it is better to go 200 mph and make little or no wake and some think it is better to go 1 mile per month. I have a 14 ft tri hull with a 40 hp motor.I don`t know how fast it will go because I don`t have gps or speedometer.I do know I can get out of the way quicker in it than I could in my old 12 ft v hull with a 6. I was more concerned about safety issues than anything else when I asked the question.Oh by the way I use to fish torneys with a guy that had a 19 ft bullet with a 150. His hot foot pedal stuck when he was going into a cove. He tried in vain to turn the boat but it ran aground and threw him from the boat. He landed in the water. I witnessed this from shore. He drowned before we could get to him.Yes he had on a full face helmet and lifejacket.
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#3340399 - 08/29/13 09:58 AM Re: what is too fast [Re: caretaker]
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I would much much rather deal with a boat going fast VS the huge cruisers that send 4-6 ft waves all the way across the River/Lake in both directions! If a speed limit is needed, so is a size restriction for TN lakes/rivers.
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#3340471 - 08/29/13 10:58 AM Re: what is too fast [Re: Winchester]
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[quote=Winchester]I would much much rather deal with a boat going fast VS the huge cruisers that send 4-6 ft waves all the way across the River/Lake in both directions! If a speed limit is needed, so is a size restriction for TN lakes/rivers.

I agree with both speed and size restrictions. As the lakes and rivers become more and more crowded it is apparent that restriction and regulations will be needed.
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#3340696 - 08/29/13 02:19 PM Re: what is too fast [Re: caretaker]
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I just despise wakeboarding boats. I had one put a wake over the front of my NC last summer as I was fishing. I don't mind bass boats zipping around.

As for fast... I've ridden in a Bullet at 92mph. Fastest I've driven is a hair over 64 in my Norris Craft.
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#3340755 - 08/29/13 03:13 PM Re: what is too fast [Re: caretaker]
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 Originally Posted By: caretaker
Oh by the way I use to fish torneys with a guy that had a 19 ft bullet with a 150. His hot foot pedal stuck when he was going into a cove. He tried in vain to turn the boat but it ran aground and threw him from the boat. He landed in the water. I witnessed this from shore. He drowned before we could get to him.Yes he had on a full face helmet and lifejacket.


When/where did this occur? Seems I remember hearing about that. I had a cable that came loose in my control, luckily I had plenty of time to react. I pulled the kill switch and knew I was in trouble as she came off pad... tail wake came right on over and swamped me and my gear.
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#3341016 - 08/29/13 07:29 PM Re: what is too fast [Re: Urban_Hunter]
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My boat will run high 70's, low 80's depending on load.
I have rode in a Stroker and an Allison both running high 90's.
They are less danger than the big boats pushing the huge wakes
or the wake boarding boats and seadoo's who don't care about others.
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#3341125 - 08/29/13 08:40 PM Re: what is too fast [Re: chunkandwind]
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My neighbor is a pleasure boater. I bass fish. They hate us as mich as we hate them. LOL

Life would be a lot better if both groups had a little sense. I've seen as many guys in bass boats that had no business driving as I have in pleasure boats.
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#3341328 - 08/30/13 12:28 AM Re: what is too fast [Re: Urban_Hunter]
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60 mph must be a lot of fun, but I'd be happy to push my boat 30 and it would get me around the lake just fine. A bass boat going over 60 should not push much a wake at all, it's the half-plane/plowing boats at partial throttle that push big wakes. Also big boats like yachts. what also bugs me is boats that are too big for small rivers, mudding up the banks and seemingly taking over the whole water while just cruising upstream.
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#3341432 - 08/30/13 06:55 AM Re: what is too fast [Re: catman529]
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Too fast and big wakes are both a pain. One thinks they own the right of way and the other doesn't care. Doesn't apply to all, but most in these catagories. Hasn't changed one bit in decades, except there are more of both.
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#3342017 - 08/30/13 02:55 PM Re: what is too fast [Re: Hangnail]
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I like a fast boat, just not too fast! Used to have one that wod do over eighty, and it was too much like work to drive it that fast. I'm good with fifty.
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#3342057 - 08/30/13 03:26 PM Re: what is too fast [Re: Urban_Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Urban_Hunter
 Originally Posted By: caretaker
Oh by the way I use to fish torneys with a guy that had a 19 ft bullet with a 150. His hot foot pedal stuck when he was going into a cove. He tried in vain to turn the boat but it ran aground and threw him from the boat. He landed in the water. I witnessed this from shore. He drowned before we could get to him.Yes he had on a full face helmet and lifejacket.


When/where did this occur? Seems I remember hearing about that. I had a cable that came loose in my control, luckily I had plenty of time to react. I pulled the kill switch and knew I was in trouble as she came off pad... tail wake came right on over and swamped me and my gear.



This happened in the late 80
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#3344968 - 09/02/13 06:28 PM Re: what is too fast [Re: caretaker]
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From personal experience 88 mph is tooooo fast.
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#3346559 - 09/04/13 06:21 AM Re: what is too fast [Re: caretaker]
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 Originally Posted By: caretaker
 Originally Posted By: Urban_Hunter
 Originally Posted By: caretaker
Oh by the way I use to fish torneys with a guy that had a 19 ft bullet with a 150. His hot foot pedal stuck when he was going into a cove. He tried in vain to turn the boat but it ran aground and threw him from the boat. He landed in the water. I witnessed this from shore. He drowned before we could get to him.Yes he had on a full face helmet and lifejacket.


When/where did this occur? Seems I remember hearing about that. I had a cable that came loose in my control, luckily I had plenty of time to react. I pulled the kill switch and knew I was in trouble as she came off pad... tail wake came right on over and swamped me and my gear.



This happened in the late 80


He couldn't pull the kill switch or was it hooked up or did he even have one?
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#3346611 - 09/04/13 07:13 AM Re: what is too fast [Re: TN Larry]
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 Originally Posted By: TN Larry
 Originally Posted By: TNLynn
I would rather have a boat come by me 60mph plus than have one come by at half throttle making a two foot wave. I have never saw a wave from a high speed boat that would even come close to swamping any boat! When they are running top speed, there isn't enough boat in the water to make much of a wave!


Agreed. A bass boat at full throttle no matter how fast they are going is not throwing a wake to swamp a boat. Half throttle or the big ski boats and cruisers is what will throw a big wave.


Just to clarify, there is a such thing as going too fast and being wreckless. It all depends on the boat driver, conditions, etc, etc. The only point above is that a bass boat coming through on plane at 70 mph is not going to throw a wake to swamp another boat. A big cruiser or a boat at half plane can and will. I don't condone wreckless drivers, but just because a boat is going fast doesn't mean that it is throwing a huge wake.
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