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#3337175 - 08/26/13 08:42 PM Niceley Calls for Director Carter's Resignation
Monty
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Someone sent me the following allegedly from Niceley's Facebook page: Today I am calling for Ed Carter to step down as Executive Director of TWRA. I can no longer justify to my constituents voting any continuance for an Agency that lacks even the basic elements of discernment or discretion towards the people they serve. Recent incidents involving the TWRA including questionable arrests, undue force, as well as ham handed treatment of law abiding citizens who pay their salaries, leads me to conclude there is a serious management problem within the Agency. We have restructured its board and refused to reconfirm its chairman, still the Agency's customer service continues to deteriorate.

Niceley apparently is referring to an two recent articles in the Tennessean covering the arrest of a Nashville Councilman for failure to appear on a boating safety citation. Due to poor reporting, TWRA was tagged as the arresting agency. Only problem is, per usual for the good Senator (and sloppy reporting), he's again accusing the Agency of doing something they had NO part in. It was Metro who performed the arrest - TWRA officers had no knowledge about or hand in the enforcement action. Kinda like Niceley's claim that TWRA introduced coyotes into Tennessee. Something happened so TWRA must be at fault.
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#3337271 - 08/26/13 10:20 PM Re: Niceley Calls for Director Carter's Resignation [Re: Monty]
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That can't be true....they're too busy writing tickets and arresting brown people \:D
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#3337440 - 08/27/13 06:46 AM Re: Niceley Calls for Director Carter's Resignation [Re: Monty]
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What is Niceley's problem with TWRA? Every time ya turn around he is trying to discredit or dissolve TWRA.

Maybe Niceley should be resigned by the voters of his district.
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#3337442 - 08/27/13 06:51 AM Re: Niceley Calls for Director Carter's Resignation [Re: Hawk]
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 Originally Posted By: Hawk
What is Niceley's problem with TWRA? Every time ya turn around he is trying to discredit or dissolve TWRA.

Maybe Niceley should be resigned by the voters of his district.


Because TWRA and hunters in Tn stand in his and his buddies way of opening up a deer farm in Tn.....
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#3337444 - 08/27/13 06:58 AM Re: Niceley Calls for Director Carter's Resignation [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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Ok Monty,
What do we, as outdoorsmen, need to do in order to show our support of Director Carter and who do we need to do this to?

We ain't had a drive in a while now, time for the members of tndeer to step up again.
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#3337455 - 08/27/13 07:08 AM Re: Niceley Calls for Director Carter's Resignation [Re: RUGER]
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 Originally Posted By: RUGER
Ok Monty,
What do we, as outdoorsmen, need to do in order to show our support of Director Carter and who do we need to do this to?

We ain't had a drive in a while now, time for the members of tndeer to step up again.
I plan to e-mail my State Senator. It probably wouldn't be a bad idea to e-mail all State Senators and State Representatives in support of the leadership of the TWRA.
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#3337620 - 08/27/13 09:25 AM Re: Niceley Calls for Director Carter's Resignation [Re: Beekeeper]
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I have been talking with Mr. Nicely through facebook. Here is reply to me saying that he has a personal vendetta against the TWRA.

Frank Niceley
I'm sorry but you don't know me. Personal interest? I have no personal interests remotely connected with wildlife or fishing.

He is a dishonest typical politician in my opinion.
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#3337625 - 08/27/13 09:28 AM Re: Niceley Calls for Director Carter's Resignation [Re: Beekeeper]
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Just sent an email to Senator Yager and one to Rep John Mark Windle
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#3337675 - 08/27/13 10:03 AM Re: Niceley Calls for Director Carter's Resignation [Re: morgancountry]
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Frank Niceley has held a grudge against TWRA for several years. I will not get into the details conveyed to me, but in essence, he thinks he is special and that the wildlife laws should not apply to him, his friends, or on his property. He is still stinging from the defeat of his deer farming bill, and will take every opportunity to attack the agency.

I will be sure to contact my senator, I had a long talk with her when deer farming came up, and she was less than pleased when she found out Niceley had hoodwinked her into supporting it at first.

Thanks for the heads up!
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#3337682 - 08/27/13 10:08 AM Re: Niceley Calls for Director Carter's Resignation [Re: Headhunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Headhunter
I have been talking with Mr. Nicely through facebook. Here is reply to me saying that he has a personal vendetta against the TWRA.

Frank Niceley
I'm sorry but you don't know me. Personal interest? I have no personal interests remotely connected with wildlife or fishing.

He is a dishonest typical politician in my opinion.


I'd copy what the OP posted and ask him what is up with the two-faced then..... tell him to get his facts straight before he goes around spouting off.... there is already enough dishonest media BS being forcefed to the public these days.
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#3337683 - 08/27/13 10:09 AM Re: Niceley Calls for Director Carter's Resignation [Re: morgancountry]
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Just a couple of quick comments before leaving on a long list of "Honey Do's" (you married guys understand, right?).

Niceley has publicly said he thinks landowners should be in charge of wildlife - abolish the TWRA and USFWS. So his problems stem from or at least include that philosophy - the same one that put Europe's wildlife in control of the Kings and the founders of this new nation of ours adamantly reversed.

TWRA has not showed favoritism to politicians and their more affluent supporters. That darned Commission and Director continue to think that the best interests of wildlife and sportsmen/sportswomen should come before personal, often petty, special rules benefiting the few (who are either politicians or their affluent donors). Now, let me be clear, I am most certainly NOT painting all politicians with the same broad brush. The vast majority of the Legislators I've worked with are honest, hard-working, and dedicated; they truly are doing the best job they know how and can. It's just a few who keep stirring the pot with lies and misrepresentations because they can't get something they feel entitled to as big shots.

I've sent emails to my Senator and Representative, as well as several other Senators and Representatives about this matter. I sent the Tennessean's reporter an email asking him to correct his title line and clarify what agency did what.

It would not hurt to call or send emails to Director Carter and TWRA Commissioners supporting the Director and the Agency (I did that too last night).

The Tennessee Wildlife Federation will engage Legislators, Commissioners, and folks like you who really care and understand that, while not perfect, our wildlife agency is doing a darned good job for wildlife and us sportsmen/sportswomen. We worked hard behind the scenes and providing testimony at Commission hearings to get the crane season passed by sharing valid facts about cranes and the need for a multi-use approach to that resource.
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#3337688 - 08/27/13 10:12 AM Re: Niceley Calls for Director Carter's Resignation [Re: Monty]
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Monty, thank you for bringing this up and for your time invested.... same for you Diehard Hunter.
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#3337792 - 08/27/13 11:10 AM Re: Niceley Calls for Director Carter's Resignation [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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 Originally Posted By: Grizzly Johnson
 Originally Posted By: Headhunter
I have been talking with Mr. Nicely through facebook. Here is reply to me saying that he has a personal vendetta against the TWRA.

Frank Niceley
I'm sorry but you don't know me. Personal interest? I have no personal interests remotely connected with wildlife or fishing.

He is a dishonest typical politician in my opinion.


I did, we will see what happens.

I'd copy what the OP posted and ask him what is up with the two-faced then..... tell him to get his facts straight before he goes around spouting off.... there is already enough dishonest media BS being forcefed to the public these days.
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#3337808 - 08/27/13 11:21 AM Re: Niceley Calls for Director Carter's Resignation [Re: Headhunter]
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His reply should be interesting.... keep us posted.
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#3337895 - 08/27/13 12:36 PM Re: Niceley Calls for Director Carter's Resignation [Re: Headhunter]
Monty
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 Originally Posted By: Headhunter
I have been talking with Mr. Nicely through facebook. Here is reply to me saying that he has a personal vendetta against the TWRA.

Frank Niceley
I'm sorry but you don't know me. Personal interest? I have no personal interests remotely connected with wildlife or fishing.

He is a dishonest typical politician in my opinion.


Very interesting response. I was personally present in the hearing when he said "I am the best friend sportsmen have in the Legislature." or words to that effect. Several gagging responses were heard from a few folks in attendance. He has been tied in to some commercial fishermens' attempts over several years now to loosen regs affecting their business. Course, I guess deer farming isn't a wildlife issue.

Look, I have no problem with folks having a very different opinion about an issue than I do, but I do have a serious problem with people in leadership and public trust positions who lie, mislead, misinform, and otherwise intentionally misrepresent the truth for whatever reason.
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#3339235 - 08/28/13 11:07 AM Re: Niceley Calls for Director Carter's Resignation [Re: Monty]
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Any replies to your FB post Headhunter?
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#3339246 - 08/28/13 11:15 AM Re: Niceley Calls for Director Carter's Resignation [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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I have to wonder why some of you are so willing to fawn all over the TWRA?
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#3339252 - 08/28/13 11:26 AM Re: Niceley Calls for Director Carter's Resignation [Re: -DRM-]
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Change is needed,IMO, just not that change.
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#3339253 - 08/28/13 11:27 AM Re: Niceley Calls for Director Carter's Resignation [Re: -DRM-]
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 Originally Posted By: -DRM-
I have to wonder why some of you are so willing to fawn all over the TWRA?


I surly dont fawn over them, but I do think they do an absolutley excellent job of managing the states resourses. There is not one agency out there that can please all of the people all of the time. Finding that middle ground and establishing good precident has been their strong point in my opinion. I disagree with some of the things they have implemented over the years but agree with many things also. Any wildlife agency can change the thinking or opinion of themselves to some pretty opinionated private sector Wildlife Bioligists must be doing something right! Politicians like Nicely who spend time trying to do favors for a select few at the overall cost of everyone else by fabricating stories and flat out dealing in lies and mis information are the ones whom I tend to despise.


Edited by Unicam (08/28/13 11:38 AM)
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#3339260 - 08/28/13 11:29 AM Re: Niceley Calls for Director Carter's Resignation [Re: -DRM-]
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Most of us are old enuf to remember when there was no deer or turkey due to the regs nicely would like to see again,you wont get many folks on this board voting for him or his views,I will cut you some slack because I don't know you or how old you are.everybody is entitled to their opinion but most here will kick him & his views to the curb.we don't fawn over nothing,we might shoot 1 once in awhile but don't make a habit out of it.Every body has to take sides on some issues & he is on the losing side IMO.No 1 agency will follow what ever hunter wants but TWRA has set the bar for doing whats rite for the wildlife & the hunters,I sure hope you have a great season & you can thank TWRA for most of the deer you see \:\)
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#3339263 - 08/28/13 11:31 AM Re: Niceley Calls for Director Carter's Resignation [Re: mike243]
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Ok uni your post wasn't there when I started typing, awe heck, Im leaving mine \:\) lol
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#3339306 - 08/28/13 12:23 PM Re: Niceley Calls for Director Carter's Resignation [Re: mike243]
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no, he went silent.
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#3339322 - 08/28/13 12:35 PM Re: Niceley Calls for Director Carter's Resignation [Re: Headhunter]
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I am not a great fan of the TWRA, but there can be no doubt they have done some great things and it is a rare thing that I run into a "bad" officer, the warden at Laurel Hill being the only exception and if I was his boss and had been standing there he would have been fired and I was only hanging out in the little store by the lake, not being checked or anything, it was that bad. I wish there was a way to truly do something about the asian population and the fisheries, there is no doubt they do not care about game laws and from I what I have heard some are doing the same thing with deer, I cannot prove it but I have heard that there is a group of Asians, laotians, or some foreign designation that are killing every deer they can on Percy Priest. These people come from a completely different culture and have no concept of conservation or game laws. Part of it I know is some things are hard to catch, but below the dams should be fairly easy to police, they are there most everyday at most every dam in this state and bordering states.


Mr. Nicely, no doubt, has a personal agenda and if you don't agree with him then you are an enemy and he will lie and decieve at every chance to get what he wants.
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#3339376 - 08/28/13 01:08 PM Re: Niceley Calls for Director Carter's Resignation [Re: -DRM-]
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 Originally Posted By: -DRM-
I have to wonder why some of you are so willing to fawn all over the TWRA?


I don't want to get into a flaming exchange with you about your opinion that some are fawning over the TWRA because we support the Agency in much of what they do and object to cheap shots directed at them by individuals who have agendas other than sound wildlife management. Management actions that are intended to benefit the resource and the public as a whole (of which we are important members and their enabling legislation requires them to do). I certainly respect your right to a differing opinion, but would not categorize my overall satisfaction with the Agency as fawning, which to me implies total, unchallenged, unquestioning acceptance of whatever they do or don't do. That is not the case, and I apologize in advance if I've misinterpreted your comment.

I support the Agency because I have worked with many of their staff since the early '70's and found them to be caring, dedicated professionals who really do try to do what they believe is best for the resources first and foremost and then the public. Many of the complaints I've heard about the Agency have been based on inaccurate information, including some outright, intentional misrepresentations of the facts.

Like so many on here, while I do not always agree with the Commission's or Agency's positions, I do believe, overall, that they do an excellent, difficult job. Some staff make mistakes, and my experience with both Director Myers and, especially, Director Carter has been they have not tried to hide the truth and have done their best to "fix" the problem. Calling the Agency out in a constructive way on valid problems and concerns is totally appropriate and necessary; however, intentionally misrepresenting the facts about them is an entirely different matter altogether.

I don't know, but would like to find out, if you have had a different experience than mine. From the tone of your post, it seems you may have had an issue that was not handled in a satisfactory manner. You're welcome to PM me about it, if you'd like.
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#3339383 - 08/28/13 01:15 PM Re: Niceley Calls for Director Carter's Resignation [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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I've been hammering him this morning on his Twitter account, and even directly asked him we hasn't he resigned because we, the sportsmen of Tennessee, have requested that numerous times that he do the same. Of course, nothing but crickets.
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#3339430 - 08/28/13 01:42 PM Re: Niceley Calls for Director Carter's Resignation [Re: TNDeerGuy]
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I just sent this on facebook since he hasn't responded


I take your lack of a reply to mean that hopefully you understand how wrong you are and breaking the law is not the right thing to do. It has been illegal to keep wildlife as pets for as long as I can remember. The TWRA also did not make the arrest on the councilman, that came as a result of the councilman not showing up in court for a misdemeanor charge. I hope to see a public apology from you soon if you are a honest politician.
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#3339781 - 08/28/13 06:44 PM Re: Niceley Calls for Director Carter's Resignation [Re: Monty]
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It's getting even better - the following is from a Channel 6 reporter in Knoxville [who is from Chicago and lists his interests as cooking, traveling, and working out (when he get time and motivated)] and the story was picked up by Channel 2 in Nashville. Copy Speaker Ramsey with your concerns, I am.

State Senator Frank Niceley calls for TWRA overhaul
Posted: Aug 27, 2013 12:50 PM CST
By DREW GARDNER
6 News Reporter

KNOXVILLE (WATE) - State Senator Frank Niceley is calling for an overhaul of the TWRA after what he calls an abuse of power. The senator says some of the recent accusations in the news are only the tip of the iceberg.

You may have seen the video of the Gallatin man and his pet raccoon Rebecca showering together and you may have heard of Rebecca's subsequent seizure after the TWRA caught wind of the situation.

Perhaps you also saw the 6 News story earlier this month about Buddy the deer, a family pet of sorts of Verlin and Lorene McCarty. Buddy came and went from the Powell family's home, but was later taken away and killed by TWRA officials.
These are only two examples of what Senator Niceley says is an agency out of control.

"It's bad press after bad press," said Niceley. "They are out of control. They abuse people. They use no discernment."
Niceley says he receives several complaints a month from constituents being harassed by the agency and fined for minor offenses.

"They've drawn their agency too big, and now the hunters license and the money from them won't sustain them. They're trying to evidently balance their budget with fines for fishermen and sportsmen."
Niceley is now calling for a complete overhaul of the agency.
"The TWRA answers to no one. They have their own board and they have control of the board so it's an agency controlling their own agency."

He wants to remove that free-standing power and make the agency answer to the legislature like other state departments.
"If that's good enough for our children's education it's good enough for the possum cops."

Niceley also wants the agency's police powers revoked so they can begin policing the wildlife instead of his constituents.
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#3339785 - 08/28/13 06:51 PM Re: Niceley Calls for Director Carter's Resignation [Re: Monty]
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FYI, my emails back to the reporter at Channel 6 (Gardner) and the news director at Channel 2 (Zelkind).

Mr. Gardner,
I have been involved extensively with wildlife management programs, agencies, and personnel at the national, international, federal, state, and local levels for well over 45 years. During that time I have also worked for a U.S. Senator in D.C. and with many different media types. The majority of the media professionals with whom I've interacted have displayed an objective, balanced approach to researching and reporting their stories - a few fall short. I find your piece on TWRA to be in the latter category, unfortunately. Unfortunately for everyone involved - you as an experienced reporter, the agency that is being attacked and denied the opportunity to express their side, and us as recipients of the one-sided, poorly researched piece that seriously lacks objectivity.

I do not want to be overly critical of your story; however, the glaring imbalance between reciting only the accuser's side of the issue while denying readers/viewers the opportunity to hear the agency's perspectives is quite unfair and unappreciated. Such lop-sided, incomplete reporting is, IMO, a major reason so many Americans today have lost or are losing their confidence in the mainstream media. Slanting stories for whatever motive in whatever topic is simply not as professional as one would expect from well educated, experienced reporters like you apparently are.

It would not have taken much more of your time to have contacted the TWRA's Director's office and perhaps a well-respected wildlife conservation organization, such as the Tennessee Wildlife Federation, and explored the issue in a more objective, detailed manner. The end result would most likely have been a better story that demonstrated your true ability and offered us the information we could use to make our own judgments about the situation. As it stands now, there is a lot of misleading misinformation that detracts from the bigger picture we readers/viewers deserve and expect from our media professionals.

(E-mail to reporter Gardner, Channel 6, Knoxville 8/28/2013)
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Dear Mr. Zelkind,
The referenced topic by Mr. Drew Gardner was posted on Channel 2's website August 27th at 12:50 p.m. CST. It is this kind of reporting that has caused so many citizens to lose confidence in the objectivity and accuracy of the media as a whole.

Regretfully, this kind of one-sided, grossly incomplete coverage leaves those of us who are interested in receiving a truly balanced story that is presented by objective, professional media personnel extremely disappointed. At the very least, and it is a woefully minimal effort at that, the reporter should have contacted the agency being attacked and provided them with the opportunity to present their side of the "story."

It seems to me that a more professional reporter and their supervisor would have taken the time to not only give the "accused" the opportunity to respond, but also to take a few minutes to do a little background checking on the accuser's prior history in the subject area. Had that been done in this case, I believe the article would be far more objective and provide readers, like me, the opportunity to decide for ourselves if the Senator's statements were accurate and motives above-board. As it stands now, I have little confidence in Channel 2's reporting integrity and accuracy; your credibility has been diminished.

How much time and trouble would it have been to make a couple of extra phone calls to treat the subject objectively and the parties involved, as well as, us viewers/readers fairly? It would be appropriate, IMO, to do now what should have been done before running the article - do a Paul Harvey and get the "rest of the story." Get at least another side of it from the agency and a knowledgeable wildlife conservation organization that is familiar with both parties, such as the Tennessee Wildlife Federation, both of which are headquartered right there in Nashville.

Respectfully,
Monty

(E-mail to: Matthew Zelkind, Station Manager & News Director - August 28, 2013 - http://www.wkrn.com/story/23268272/state-senator-frank-niceley-calls-for-twra-overhaul )
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#3339852 - 08/28/13 07:54 PM Re: Niceley Calls for Director Carter's Resignation [Re: Monty]
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Monty,

I will be rallying the troops on my end. I am sick and tired of stunt after stunt being used by one of our elected officials to drive his personal agenda.
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