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#3336627 - 08/26/13 01:48 PM Headed to WWIII
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John f'n Kerry was scheduled to deliver some remarks on the WMD's in Syria today @ 1:30 CST.

At about 1:20 Video and news of another Chemical attacked was aired.

We're being pulled into a world war and we're on the wrong side.

‘Reports of #chemical attack on town of #OramAlKabira & #Muhandiseen in South #Aleppo Province - hospitals overwhelmed’ @ShamiWitness #Syria

http://freebeacon.com/israelis-line-up-for-gas-masks-over-syria-war-fears/
Mm, Mmm, Mmm.....

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#3336660 - 08/26/13 02:17 PM Re: Headed to WWIII [Re: Crappie Luck]
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I'll say the same thing I said in 2001. This is a bad idea. It will cost thousands of lives and billons of dollars with no benefit to the US or the people we are "saving".
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#3336662 - 08/26/13 02:17 PM Re: Headed to WWIII [Re: Crappie Luck]
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Well, let's hope he asks Congress this time before following France in.
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#3336667 - 08/26/13 02:20 PM Re: Headed to WWIII [Re: de novo]
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 Originally Posted By: de novo
I'll say the same thing I said in 2001. This is a bad idea. It will cost thousands of lives and billons of dollars with no benefit to the US or the people we are "saving".


It will be 100X worse. This will be the end of the proxy wars and overlooked espionage with China and Russia. This is cold war gone hot. It will be millions dead instead of thousands.
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#3336732 - 08/26/13 03:24 PM Re: Headed to WWIII [Re: Crappie Luck]
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And my son leaves on Tuesday morning for the US Navy. He'll be trained as a Corpsman... Yep, I know. I was in the 1/4, a Marine infantry unit...
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#3336742 - 08/26/13 03:29 PM Re: Headed to WWIII [Re: Rebel]
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We need to stay out of it. We have no idea who has done what or which side to pick. You are supporting evil either way you go.
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#3336785 - 08/26/13 04:05 PM Re: Headed to WWIII [Re: smstone22]
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 Originally Posted By: smstone22
We need to stay out of it. We have no idea who has done what or which side to pick. You are supporting evil either way you go.

^^^^^
This.
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#3336816 - 08/26/13 04:37 PM Re: Headed to WWIII [Re: Bambi Buster]
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#3336824 - 08/26/13 04:41 PM Re: Headed to WWIII [Re: smstone22]
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 Originally Posted By: smstone22
We need to stay out of it. We have no idea who has done what or which side to pick. You are supporting evil either way you go.

Exactly. One side is a state sponsor of terrorism; the other side is a terrorist organization.
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#3336842 - 08/26/13 04:52 PM Re: Headed to WWIII [Re: BMan]
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As talk and rumors of an impending Western attack against Syria mount, a top Syrian official said Monday that if attacked, his country would react – against Israel.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/171311#.UhvFijgo45s
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#3336851 - 08/26/13 04:57 PM Re: Headed to WWIII [Re: Crappie Luck]
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We need to stand ready to come to the aid of Israel. Nothing more and nothing less.
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#3336871 - 08/26/13 05:11 PM Re: Headed to WWIII [Re: Crappie Luck]
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-25/short-guide-middle-east

This succinctly and effectively sums up this particular quagmire Dear Leader is getting us embroiled in. We'd also be better off if John Kerry would go back to wind surfing off the coast of Taxachusetts.
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#3336898 - 08/26/13 05:30 PM Re: Headed to WWIII [Re: Bambi Buster]
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 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: smstone22
We need to stay out of it. We have no idea who has done what or which side to pick. You are supporting evil either way you go.

^^^^^
This.


X 1 billion.

There ain't no "good guys" there.
The term "innocent" is misused as well.
We need to back away, and let them fight it out, and keep a close eye out for any 'exporting' of the conflict.

Other than that, we need to keep the hell away.
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#3336941 - 08/26/13 06:07 PM Re: Headed to WWIII [Re: sgtwebb1]
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Barry handed Egypt to the Muslim brotherhood.
I fully expect him to hand over Syria to Al~Queda.

I fear Israels on their own if it all breaks loose.

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#3337142 - 08/26/13 08:25 PM Re: Headed to WWIII [Re: preds1]
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Where's Cindy SheeMAN? Where's the anti-war left? Where are the bus loads of protesters that hung out at Bush's place?

The left is truly pathetic.
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#3337154 - 08/26/13 08:31 PM Re: Headed to WWIII [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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I see gas prices rising dramatically in the real near future.

This is not our fight and as others have said we should keep our noses out of it.
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#3337170 - 08/26/13 08:40 PM Re: Headed to WWIII [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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 Originally Posted By: Pic IN the Casa
Where's Cindy SheeMAN? Where's the anti-war left? Where are the bus loads of protesters that hung out at Bush's place?

The left is truly pathetic.


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#3337816 - 08/27/13 11:25 AM Re: Headed to WWIII [Re: OHVATN]
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I dont see ANY positives of involving ourselves in this Syria thing. I see dead and maimed kids from small towns across the USA. And for WHAT?
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#3337824 - 08/27/13 11:31 AM Re: Headed to WWIII [Re: AndyW]
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 Originally Posted By: AndyW
I dont see ANY positives of involving ourselves in this Syria thing. I see dead and maimed kids from small towns across the USA. And for WHAT?


Yup, I agree.

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#3337837 - 08/27/13 11:47 AM Re: Headed to WWIII [Re: preds1]
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I see dead Israeli's and Russia telling Obama he's STILL a little weak punk, again.
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#3337878 - 08/27/13 12:18 PM Re: Headed to WWIII [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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Bear in mind, the Israelis WILL take whatever steps they feel are necessary.

If that includes turning Syria into a bunch of smoking holes in the ground, so be it. They have enough nukes to take out most, if not all, of the major population centers in the Middle East.

And I won't blame them one bit.
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#3337923 - 08/27/13 01:03 PM Re: Headed to WWIII [Re: BMan]
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 Originally Posted By: BMan
Bear in mind, the Israelis WILL take whatever steps they feel are necessary.

If that includes turning Syria into a bunch of smoking holes in the ground, so be it. They have enough nukes to take out most, if not all, of the major population centers in the Middle East.

And I won't blame them one bit.


I have no fear of Israel not being able to defend themselves, at all. The fear I do have is what sits as POTUS.... "like a child wielding his Daddy's gun".
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#3337935 - 08/27/13 01:14 PM Re: Headed to WWIII [Re: BMan]
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 Originally Posted By: BMan
Bear in mind, the Israelis WILL take whatever steps they feel are necessary.

If that includes turning Syria into a bunch of smoking holes in the ground, so be it. They have enough nukes to take out most, if not all, of the major population centers in the Middle East.

And I won't blame them one bit.


I'm kinda hoping for it. Just wonder if our Muslim in Chief will threaten Israel if they do anything.
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#3339566 - 08/28/13 03:40 PM Re: Headed to WWIII [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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Iran calls

Iran army chief warns ‘Zionists will burn’ if US attacks Syria.

Amid increasingly hostile threats from Syria and Iran that Israel will be attacked if the US carries out an anticipated punitive strike against the regime of President Bashar Assad for its chemical weapons use, Israel reportedly sent messages to Damascus via third parties Wednesday warning Assad that any attack will be met with a forceful IDF response.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-army-chief-warns-zionists-will-burn-if-us-attacks-syria/
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#3339568 - 08/28/13 03:40 PM Re: Headed to WWIII [Re: Crappie Luck]
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Obama's Reichstag fire will be the entire middle east
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#3339638 - 08/28/13 04:34 PM Re: Headed to WWIII [Re: Crappie Luck]
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We attack Syria.

Some Jihadist or more attack cities in the US.

Congress and Obama crack down on "Security" in the US.

*poof* Liberty gone.

We are propelled into the era of the Police State.
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#3339735 - 08/28/13 06:01 PM Re: Headed to WWIII [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
We attack Syria.

Some Jihadist or more attack cities in the US.

Congress and Obama crack down on "Security" in the US.

*poof* Liberty gone.

We are propelled into the era of the Police State.



Not while we still bear arms...................
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#3339756 - 08/28/13 06:21 PM Re: Headed to WWIII [Re: sgtwebb1]
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 Originally Posted By: sgtwebb1
 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
We attack Syria.

Some Jihadist or more attack cities in the US.

Congress and Obama crack down on "Security" in the US.

*poof* Liberty gone.

We are propelled into the era of the Police State.



Not while we still bear arms...................


That is the big ????

Arms does not equate willingness to fight back.
Then again, maybe they'll finally provoke America to take back her govt.

We shall see.
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#3339807 - 08/28/13 07:25 PM Re: Headed to WWIII [Re: Crappie Luck]
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Bug out plans need to be being thought about if this starts to go down
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#3339854 - 08/28/13 07:55 PM Re: Headed to WWIII [Re: Kevin]
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Russia is saying if we bomb Syria they will bomb SAUDI ARABIA.

British propose a solution Russia rejects it

Saudi Arabia offers Russia and oil deal, Russia rejects it.

Syria says they will bomb ISRAEL

It's sounding like WWIII thats for sure

http://news.yahoo.com/britain-proposes-syria-resolution-russia-objects-170136156.html
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#3339927 - 08/28/13 08:37 PM Re: Headed to WWIII [Re: Super8]
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...ia-strikes.html


Even the UK seems to have a little common sense...

David Cameron backed down and agreed to delay a military attack on Syria following a growing revolt over the UK's rushed response to the crisis on Wednesday night.
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#3339997 - 08/28/13 09:29 PM Re: Headed to WWIII [Re: Super8]
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Chemical weapons are a class of WMD and nuclear weapons are also a class of WMD.

If Syria uses chemical weapons on Israel then Israel will use nuclear weapons on Syria and every country in the Middle East will side with Syria against Israel.
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#3340009 - 08/28/13 09:38 PM Re: Headed to WWIII [Re: Wildcat]
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all this talk just makes my head spin. I wish I understood what is what.
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#3340236 - 08/29/13 07:31 AM Re: Headed to WWIII [Re: Wildcat]
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If Obama really is going to strike - why project how the strike is going to go? He's letting out a 'limited' strike. It doesn't make sense.

Personally, I'd rather he feign all this outrage about Al Qaeda and Hezbolla killing each other - make everybody believe we're all dressed up for Syria...and then obliterate Iran's nuclear facilities.
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#3340250 - 08/29/13 07:43 AM Re: Headed to WWIII [Re: TennesseeRains]
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Obama is backing down.

The UK has signaled that they are not onboard for this action. WIthout a skirt to hide behind or "Lead" behind, Obama is out in the open and he's showing just how much of a coward he really is.

He offends them by sending back the bust of Churchill and then he expects them to provide him cover for his war games.

Idiot, man-child
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#3340514 - 08/29/13 11:42 AM Re: Headed to WWIII [Re: Crappie Luck]
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We ain't putti g any boots on the ground, period. And this ain't the first time a whole bunch of countries have threatened other countries with obliteration. I still think we will launch some surgical strikes against air and air defense stations in Syria but that will be about it. I don't agree that we should buy I think that's what will happen. Israel can handle themselves pretty well in a fight and most places know it. I don't see much happening beyond us launching some missiles and getting a few bombs off the rails. Like I said though, we shouldn't do a dang thing and just let them kill each other until one attacks us.
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#3340607 - 08/29/13 12:53 PM Re: Headed to WWIII [Re: DirtyBear0311]
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 Originally Posted By: DirtyBear0311
We ain't putti g any boots on the ground, period. And this ain't the first time a whole bunch of countries have threatened other countries with obliteration. I still think we will launch some surgical strikes against air and air defense stations in Syria but that will be about it. I don't agree that we should buy I think that's what will happen. Israel can handle themselves pretty well in a fight and most places know it. I don't see much happening beyond us launching some missiles and getting a few bombs off the rails. Like I said though, we shouldn't do a dang thing and just let them kill each other until one attacks us.


Ah, another rational, non-hysterical analysis and prediction. I wish this type of post could become the norm rather than the exception here.
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#3340713 - 08/29/13 02:36 PM Re: Headed to WWIII [Re: Bambi Buster]
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It's not going to happen. Hopefully not anyways. I understand that it is a crime on their own people but at some point you have to realize that it wasn't a crime on our people. I guess we think we are the world police or something.
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#3341085 - 08/29/13 08:19 PM Re: Headed to WWIII [Re: Bambi Buster]
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 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: DirtyBear0311
We ain't putti g any boots on the ground, period. And this ain't the first time a whole bunch of countries have threatened other countries with obliteration. I still think we will launch some surgical strikes against air and air defense stations in Syria but that will be about it. I don't agree that we should buy I think that's what will happen. Israel can handle themselves pretty well in a fight and most places know it. I don't see much happening beyond us launching some missiles and getting a few bombs off the rails. Like I said though, we shouldn't do a dang thing and just let them kill each other until one attacks us.


Ah, another rational, non-hysterical analysis and prediction. I wish this type of post could become the norm rather than the exception here.


Then quit reading all the other posts.

Never forget it was the PROFESSIONAL people in the Govt in the NSA, CIA and the military that told President Bush that Iraq had the WMD and it was the very same PROFESSIONALS that put together the plans that Powell used in the UN. THEY are responsible for the death of all the American military troops over there.

Those same professionals are now telling President Obama what to do. Those that held the same professional offices before also told President Johnson about Vietnam and how to win WITHOUT much cost to America.

And don't forget it was the pros that came up with MAD, Mutually Assured Destruction policy that we have lived under for the last 60 years.

Mutual assured destruction, or mutually assured destruction (MAD), is a doctrine of military strategy and national security policy in which a full-scale use of high-yield weapons of mass destruction by two opposing sides would effectively result in the complete, utter and irrevocable annihilation of both the attacker and the defender.
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#3341176 - 08/29/13 09:22 PM Re: Headed to WWIII [Re: Wildcat]
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 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: DirtyBear0311
We ain't putti g any boots on the ground, period. And this ain't the first time a whole bunch of countries have threatened other countries with obliteration. I still think we will launch some surgical strikes against air and air defense stations in Syria but that will be about it. I don't agree that we should buy I think that's what will happen. Israel can handle themselves pretty well in a fight and most places know it. I don't see much happening beyond us launching some missiles and getting a few bombs off the rails. Like I said though, we shouldn't do a dang thing and just let them kill each other until one attacks us.


Ah, another rational, non-hysterical analysis and prediction. I wish this type of post could become the norm rather than the exception here.


Then quit reading all the other posts.

Never forget it was the PROFESSIONAL people in the Govt in the NSA, CIA and the military that told President Bush that Iraq had the WMD and it was the very same PROFESSIONALS that put together the plans that Powell used in the UN. THEY are responsible for the death of all the American military troops over there.

Those same professionals are now telling President Obama what to do. Those that held the same professional offices before also told President Johnson about Vietnam and how to win WITHOUT much cost to America.

And don't forget it was the pros that came up with MAD, Mutually Assured Destruction policy that we have lived under for the last 60 years.

Mutual assured destruction, or mutually assured destruction (MAD), is a doctrine of military strategy and national security policy in which a full-scale use of high-yield weapons of mass destruction by two opposing sides would effectively result in the complete, utter and irrevocable annihilation of both the attacker and the defender.


I am quite aware of the definition of MAD, thank you. As for the rest of your reply, I really have no idea what point you are trying to make. DB0311, though very much a professional in his own right, is not one of the idiots who is advising the administration or who did so in the past. He is an astute observer of current events with a keen sense of history and precedent. He's not inclined to run around with his hair on fire screaming "the sky is falling and we're all doomed." I regret there are not more like him here. I can personally attest that people have been ominously (and incorrectly) predicting "it's about to be WWIII!" since at least 1953. If they continue to do so, they may eventually be right, but I do not believe this is that time.
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#3341201 - 08/29/13 09:37 PM Re: Headed to WWIII [Re: Bambi Buster]
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 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: DirtyBear0311
We ain't putti g any boots on the ground, period. And this ain't the first time a whole bunch of countries have threatened other countries with obliteration. I still think we will launch some surgical strikes against air and air defense stations in Syria but that will be about it. I don't agree that we should buy I think that's what will happen. Israel can handle themselves pretty well in a fight and most places know it. I don't see much happening beyond us launching some missiles and getting a few bombs off the rails. Like I said though, we shouldn't do a dang thing and just let them kill each other until one attacks us.


Ah, another rational, non-hysterical analysis and prediction. I wish this type of post could become the norm rather than the exception here.


Then quit reading all the other posts.

Never forget it was the PROFESSIONAL people in the Govt in the NSA, CIA and the military that told President Bush that Iraq had the WMD and it was the very same PROFESSIONALS that put together the plans that Powell used in the UN. THEY are responsible for the death of all the American military troops over there.

Those same professionals are now telling President Obama what to do. Those that held the same professional offices before also told President Johnson about Vietnam and how to win WITHOUT much cost to America.

And don't forget it was the pros that came up with MAD, Mutually Assured Destruction policy that we have lived under for the last 60 years.

Mutual assured destruction, or mutually assured destruction (MAD), is a doctrine of military strategy and national security policy in which a full-scale use of high-yield weapons of mass destruction by two opposing sides would effectively result in the complete, utter and irrevocable annihilation of both the attacker and the defender.


I am quite aware of the definition of MAD, thank you. As for the rest of your reply, I really have no idea what point you are trying to make. DB0311, though very much a professional in his own right, is not one of the idiots who is advising the administration or who did so in the past. He is an astute observer of current events with a keen sense of history and precedent. He's not inclined to run around with his hair on fire screaming "the sky is falling and we're all doomed." I regret there are not more like him here. I can personally attest that people have been ominously (and incorrectly) predicting "it's about to be WWIII!" since at least 1953. If they continue to do so, they may eventually be right, but I do not believe this is that time.


I never said anything about DBO331.I never try to name members unless I have to.

I seriously doubt anything at all will happen except a couple missiles will be fired to save Obama's face and nothing more.

For once the anti-war people got it right. It WAS the pros that told the presidents about the WMD in Iraq and the war in Vietnam. I'm not talking about ex-service people but the Intelligence pros. They are highly trained and highly paid people that tell the leaders what to do, how to do it and what the outcome will be. THOSE are the ones that has cost our nation all those deaths. Yet those very same people blame others. They blame Bush but he only went by what the INTELLIGENCE PRO's told him, same with Johnson.
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#3341271 - 08/29/13 10:42 PM Re: Headed to WWIII [Re: Wildcat]
Bambi Buster
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 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: DirtyBear0311
We ain't putti g any boots on the ground, period. And this ain't the first time a whole bunch of countries have threatened other countries with obliteration. I still think we will launch some surgical strikes against air and air defense stations in Syria but that will be about it. I don't agree that we should buy I think that's what will happen. Israel can handle themselves pretty well in a fight and most places know it. I don't see much happening beyond us launching some missiles and getting a few bombs off the rails. Like I said though, we shouldn't do a dang thing and just let them kill each other until one attacks us.


Ah, another rational, non-hysterical analysis and prediction. I wish this type of post could become the norm rather than the exception here.


Then quit reading all the other posts.

Never forget it was the PROFESSIONAL people in the Govt in the NSA, CIA and the military that told President Bush that Iraq had the WMD and it was the very same PROFESSIONALS that put together the plans that Powell used in the UN. THEY are responsible for the death of all the American military troops over there.

Those same professionals are now telling President Obama what to do. Those that held the same professional offices before also told President Johnson about Vietnam and how to win WITHOUT much cost to America.

And don't forget it was the pros that came up with MAD, Mutually Assured Destruction policy that we have lived under for the last 60 years.

Mutual assured destruction, or mutually assured destruction (MAD), is a doctrine of military strategy and national security policy in which a full-scale use of high-yield weapons of mass destruction by two opposing sides would effectively result in the complete, utter and irrevocable annihilation of both the attacker and the defender.


I am quite aware of the definition of MAD, thank you. As for the rest of your reply, I really have no idea what point you are trying to make. DB0311, though very much a professional in his own right, is not one of the idiots who is advising the administration or who did so in the past. He is an astute observer of current events with a keen sense of history and precedent. He's not inclined to run around with his hair on fire screaming "the sky is falling and we're all doomed." I regret there are not more like him here. I can personally attest that people have been ominously (and incorrectly) predicting "it's about to be WWIII!" since at least 1953. If they continue to do so, they may eventually be right, but I do not believe this is that time.


I never said anything about DBO331.I never try to name members unless I have to.

I seriously doubt anything at all will happen except a couple missiles will be fired to save Obama's face and nothing more.

For once the anti-war people got it right. It WAS the pros that told the presidents about the WMD in Iraq and the war in Vietnam. I'm not talking about ex-service people but the Intelligence pros. They are highly trained and highly paid people that tell the leaders what to do, how to do it and what the outcome will be. THOSE are the ones that has cost our nation all those deaths. Yet those very same people blame others. They blame Bush but he only went by what the INTELLIGENCE PRO's told him, same with Johnson.


Excerpted/reiterated from the quote for clarity and emphasis:
 Originally Posted By: Wildcat

....I seriously doubt anything at all will happen except a couple missiles will be fired to save Obama's face and nothing more.....


So do I, which my post seemed to make abundantly clear. Not sure what precipitated your vituperative diatribe about incompetent national security intel analysts and MAD. Insofar as I can determine, none of them are currently posting on TnDeer, nor did I make any reference to them, directly or indirectly, in my post.
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#3341505 - 08/30/13 08:03 AM Re: Headed to WWIII [Re: Bambi Buster]
Wildcat
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Registered: 06/10/00
Posts: 42706
Loc: Western Ky.

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 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: DirtyBear0311
We ain't putti g any boots on the ground, period. And this ain't the first time a whole bunch of countries have threatened other countries with obliteration. I still think we will launch some surgical strikes against air and air defense stations in Syria but that will be about it. I don't agree that we should buy I think that's what will happen. Israel can handle themselves pretty well in a fight and most places know it. I don't see much happening beyond us launching some missiles and getting a few bombs off the rails. Like I said though, we shouldn't do a dang thing and just let them kill each other until one attacks us.


Ah, another rational, non-hysterical analysis and prediction. I wish this type of post could become the norm rather than the exception here.


Then quit reading all the other posts.

Never forget it was the PROFESSIONAL people in the Govt in the NSA, CIA and the military that told President Bush that Iraq had the WMD and it was the very same PROFESSIONALS that put together the plans that Powell used in the UN. THEY are responsible for the death of all the American military troops over there.

Those same professionals are now telling President Obama what to do. Those that held the same professional offices before also told President Johnson about Vietnam and how to win WITHOUT much cost to America.

And don't forget it was the pros that came up with MAD, Mutually Assured Destruction policy that we have lived under for the last 60 years.

Mutual assured destruction, or mutually assured destruction (MAD), is a doctrine of military strategy and national security policy in which a full-scale use of high-yield weapons of mass destruction by two opposing sides would effectively result in the complete, utter and irrevocable annihilation of both the attacker and the defender.


I am quite aware of the definition of MAD, thank you. As for the rest of your reply, I really have no idea what point you are trying to make. DB0311, though very much a professional in his own right, is not one of the idiots who is advising the administration or who did so in the past. He is an astute observer of current events with a keen sense of history and precedent. He's not inclined to run around with his hair on fire screaming "the sky is falling and we're all doomed." I regret there are not more like him here. I can personally attest that people have been ominously (and incorrectly) predicting "it's about to be WWIII!" since at least 1953. If they continue to do so, they may eventually be right, but I do not believe this is that time.


I never said anything about DBO331.I never try to name members unless I have to.

I seriously doubt anything at all will happen except a couple missiles will be fired to save Obama's face and nothing more.

For once the anti-war people got it right. It WAS the pros that told the presidents about the WMD in Iraq and the war in Vietnam. I'm not talking about ex-service people but the Intelligence pros. They are highly trained and highly paid people that tell the leaders what to do, how to do it and what the outcome will be. THOSE are the ones that has cost our nation all those deaths. Yet those very same people blame others. They blame Bush but he only went by what the INTELLIGENCE PRO's told him, same with Johnson.


Excerpted/reiterated from the quote for clarity and emphasis:
 Originally Posted By: Wildcat

....I seriously doubt anything at all will happen except a couple missiles will be fired to save Obama's face and nothing more.....


So do I, which my post seemed to make abundantly clear. Not sure what precipitated your vituperative diatribe about incompetent national security intel analysts and MAD. Insofar as I can determine, none of them are currently posting on TnDeer, nor did I make any reference to them, directly or indirectly, in my post.


It's the pro's and retired pro's that has cost American lives on the different battlefields. The TnDeer members are just your average American Taxpayers who has to foot the bill. It's one thing to disagree with one or ever a group of members, it's a different story to simply dismiss most of the posts as wild hair on fire posts. The hair on fire posters has not cost one single American life while the cool clam pro's and retired pro's that deal with American's leaders has cost every single American life.
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