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#3334990 - 08/25/13 10:00 AM When it's just not right?
Bottom Hunter
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When the wind is wrong, when you can not possibly get in to your stand without boogering up the place and busting deer, or you simply realize that by location your place is not a morning stand....do you still go? Do you wait and go in the afternoon or simply stay out altogether until it's right?

Does the lure of hunting force you to mess up your place?

Alot of hunters will tell you that they go because they can't kill one on the couch or they hope to get lucky and not spook that big buck they believe is in the area.

How many here have actually sat at home when things were not just right and believe that they have helped their cause by doing so?

It can be very hard to do, especially when the time of year is right and everyone else is in the stand. How many can fend off the lure of the stand and stay at home after waiting so long for the season to get here?

It only takes one hunt to kill that big deer, but it also only takes one "booger" to send him running over to the neighbors property.....

I have been quilty of both scenarios.....staying out and NOT!

The thing is that when we do go, we have no idea what damage we may have done, and when we don't go, we have no idea what we may have missed....

Welcome to what hunting is really all about..

enjoy the season!
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#3335049 - 08/25/13 11:19 AM Re: When it's just not right? [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter
When the wind is wrong, when you can not possibly get in to your stand without boogering up the place and busting deer, or you simply realize that by location your place is not a morning stand....do you still go? Do you wait and go in the afternoon or simply stay out altogether until it's right?


I never have a single stand choice. I always have multiple stands set up for every wind direction as well as morning versus evening situation.
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#3335079 - 08/25/13 11:40 AM Re: When it's just not right? [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter
Does the lure of hunting force you to mess up your place?

Nope, and will actually get out of the tree and change locations if the wind shifts rather than sit there and let my stink blow toward the deer.

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#3335090 - 08/25/13 11:48 AM Re: When it's just not right? [Re: Boll Weevil]
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In the mountains of E. TN the wind is never right after 15 minutes in the stand..... I stopped second guessing myself awhile back and found that it works for me. This is even after one afternoon that I checked a camera in another area and found that a very nice buck walked by that stand location, that very morning while I was hunting another location. I didn't kick myself in the butt or even cry about it. That's what makes hunting a challenge... \:\)
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#3335136 - 08/25/13 12:39 PM Re: When it's just not right? [Re: gator-n-buck]
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I'll change locations if the wind changes directions.I have multiple stands,so its not a problem.
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#3335156 - 08/25/13 12:58 PM Re: When it's just not right? [Re: barkscaler]
Bottom Hunter
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I see alot of people answering with "I will change locations"... The thing is, I do not believe that was part of the question....lol.

If you had one stand and the wind was not right, would you still go and hunt....because you would rather risk getting busted and missing out on that big deer than sit at home?
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#3335168 - 08/25/13 01:08 PM Re: When it's just not right? [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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I used to hunt no matter what.

After the last few years and learning more and more by having the chance to observe mature deer, I no longer hunt a stand with the wrong wind.
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#3335176 - 08/25/13 01:13 PM Re: When it's just not right? [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter
If you had one stand and the wind was not right, would you still go and hunt...


I would never put myself in that situation (only having one stand location to hunt).
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#3335189 - 08/25/13 01:21 PM Re: When it's just not right? [Re: BSK]
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No I would not hunt it. Also, this year I am going to try to be a little smarter hinting the wind. If it isnt right, I have other stands on public land I can hunt. Hopefully it works out. I know last year I boogered one stand, it also was my best one. But it wasnt due to wind. It was due to yellow jackets.


It sucks not being able to hunt your favorite stand, but if situations arent right and you hunt it anyways, there is a chance it won't be your favorite stand later in the season


Edited by MattR (08/25/13 01:22 PM)
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#3335191 - 08/25/13 01:21 PM Re: When it's just not right? [Re: gator-n-buck]
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 Originally Posted By: gator-n-buck
In the mountains of E. TN the wind is never right after 15 minutes in the stand..... I stopped second guessing myself awhile back and found that it works for me. This is even after one afternoon that I checked a camera in another area and found that a very nice buck walked by that stand location, that very morning while I was hunting another location. I didn't kick myself in the butt or even cry about it. That's what makes hunting a challenge... \:\)


Yep. You might can make some generalizations of the wind and hunt thermals but its always shifty.
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#3335259 - 08/25/13 02:51 PM Re: When it's just not right? [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter
When the wind is wrong, when you can not possibly get in to your stand without boogering up the place and busting deer, or you simply realize that by location your place is not a morning stand....do you still go? Do you wait and go in the afternoon or simply stay out altogether until it's right?


I never have a single stand choice. I always have multiple stands set up for every wind direction as well as morning versus evening situation.


^^^^ This ^^^^

Even on my small property I have multiple stand sites for just about any wind direction.
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#3335271 - 08/25/13 03:02 PM Re: When it's just not right? [Re: MUP]
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I almost always have options for different wind directions. That being said, starting last season, when things weren't really what I was looking for, at least on 2 occasions, I just went Squirrel hunting on the Hatchie refuge where no deer hunting is allowed (besides 2 guns hunts) after bow season. Its pretty awesome to actually get out and hunt Squirrels in November. I've spent all my squirrel hunting time in the past either in the early season or late season, but getting out when it is prime time and the leaves are down is incredibly fun.
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#3335347 - 08/25/13 04:36 PM Re: When it's just not right? [Re: Poser]
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I have multiple stand locations for morning and evening for all wind directions. If conditions are incredibly bad (swirly winds, high winds, rain, etc...), I have a few locations where I can go and sit on the ground looking at places deer are predominantly bedded in bad weather conditions (noticed specific areas where we have spooked them in the last 12 years on certain high winds). These locations are at good vantage points (for the deer). But to answer your question, no I absolutely will not hunt most of my stands if the conditions aren't quite right. Some, it's a possibility depending on my mood and time of year.
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#3335368 - 08/25/13 05:01 PM Re: When it's just not right? [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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No, won't hunt a stand when the wind is wrong.
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#3335379 - 08/25/13 05:08 PM Re: When it's just not right? [Re: smstone22]
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No I won't hunt a stand when the wind is wrong. I learned that lesson a long time ago. I have options for different winds.
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#3335424 - 08/25/13 05:47 PM Re: When it's just not right? [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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If you don't have alternate stands and you knowing all the patterns of the deer you are hunting why would you go hunt with a wind that would totally destroy your hunt? I don't go just to say I went ! I go fully expecting to kill a deer , now that being said deer don't always cooperate
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#3335493 - 08/25/13 06:34 PM Re: When it's just not right? [Re: smstone22]
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ive never sat at homne because we set up a whole lot of stands for different winds. and we are prepared for that. now we will not know matter what go to a stand on a bad wind. but its tough on our farms and way because the wind swirls but for the most part we are extremely cautious of the wind.
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#3336129 - 08/26/13 08:21 AM Re: When it's just not right? [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter
If you had one stand and the wind was not right, would you still go and hunt...


I would never put myself in that situation (only having one stand location to hunt).


With the amount of land you have, I would not think you would....but many hunters have little acreage and not much choice...

The point of the topic was to simply ask if some here can not stay at home because the lure of the hunt is too strong and will risk boogering up a location instead of sitting at home when they should.

I know back when I first started hunting I went to a paticular stand regardless.....I just could not stay away from it because of where it was located and the number of deer I saw from it on a daily basis....For weeks at a time, I hunted that stand, every day! Regardless. Actually, it was the only stand I had at the time. Back in 1974, we knew far less about deer hunting tactics, or at least I did...
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#3336187 - 08/26/13 08:49 AM Re: When it's just not right? [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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I will try to answer the question correctly. The lure of hunting has always gotten me. I try to hunt the wind correctly, but its tough because of my hills and hollows.
The thing I need to get better at is when its 75+ degrees on a November afternoon with gusty 20+mph winds. The lure of hunting still gets me to go then. I need to back off when the odds of even seeing a doe are not that great.

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#3336194 - 08/26/13 08:51 AM Re: When it's just not right? [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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Personally, I'll always have more than 1 stand site. If I didn't and I knew the wind was wrong for where I had a stand hung I may go anyway but hunt off the ground in a more desirable spot or even move the stand that was in the wrong location. I usually have multiple trees pre-picked out in the same area to accommodate different wind directions.

Also a lot of making the decision to go in or not depends on available hunting time. If I didn't get to hunt but a couple of weekends during the season I'd probably go anyway anyhow. Since I can hunt every day of every season I can opt out for a day or two.
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#3336279 - 08/26/13 09:42 AM Re: When it's just not right? [Re: smstone22]
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I have been told that "you cannot that spot or that particular situation because of the wind or whenever the wind is in the wrong direction". I do not pay much attention to what others tell me when it comes to that. I hunt anyways and many times I do not see anything, why I don't know, but I guess the know it alls will say it was because of the wind but many of my deer I have killed and some of my best bucks I have killed hunting exactly where the "experts" say you cannot kill a deer there becuase of the wind or wind patterns.
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#3336285 - 08/26/13 09:44 AM Re: When it's just not right? [Re: woodsman87]
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 Originally Posted By: woodsman87
I will try to answer the question correctly. The lure of hunting has always gotten me. I try to hunt the wind correctly, but its tough because of my hills and hollows.
The thing I need to get better at is when its 75+ degrees on a November afternoon with gusty 20+mph winds. The lure of hunting still gets me to go then. I need to back off when the odds of even seeing a doe are not that great.


I have seen some great deer and killed many on hot, windy days in November. Windy days are my favorite.
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#3336305 - 08/26/13 09:55 AM Re: When it's just not right? [Re: Mike Belt]
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Bad wind? I hunt another stand

during gun season's we have a couple of commerical shooting houses
that I can keep everything closed up until ready for shooting, one is i a bottom that requires keeping them that way most of the time. Mainly its the deer feeding right by shooting house that we worry about, bucks that we shoot usually are along edges due to the layout of the land that doesn't allow them to scent check the whole bottom, they visually check it
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#3336340 - 08/26/13 10:17 AM Re: When it's just not right? [Re: Headhunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Headhunter
 Originally Posted By: woodsman87
I will try to answer the question correctly. The lure of hunting has always gotten me. I try to hunt the wind correctly, but its tough because of my hills and hollows.
The thing I need to get better at is when its 75+ degrees on a November afternoon with gusty 20+mph winds. The lure of hunting still gets me to go then. I need to back off when the odds of even seeing a doe are not that great.


I have seen some great deer and killed many on hot, windy days in November. Windy days are my favorite.


I killed a nice buck on Thanksgiving evening when it was about 60-70 degrees and windy. I was just thinking I might could help myself if I didn't hunt these low odd days.
And windy days are my least favorite.

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#3336464 - 08/26/13 11:59 AM Re: When it's just not right? [Re: woodsman87]
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How to u know which way the deer will come from. One of my biggest bucks came in the wrong way last year. I was hunting a stand that no way i would consider without a southwest wind. All conditions where good except he came in from opposite direction. Not in rut, not bumped my way, just walked straight at me. I could see my breath going straight at this 13 pt. He finally turns at an angle at 30 yds so I could shoot. I did shower and practice scent control. My point is if wind had been nw , i would not have hunted that stand. I would have missed an opportunity to kill a mature deer. This wind thing jus lets me make an excuse not to hunt a certain stand, because the spots i hunt deer can come in any direction.
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#3336468 - 08/26/13 12:04 PM Re: When it's just not right? [Re: turkeyhunter]
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 Originally Posted By: turkeyhunter
How to u know which way the deer will come from. One of my biggest bucks came in the wrong way last year. I was hunting a stand that no way i would consider without a southwest wind. All conditions where good except he came in from opposite direction. Not in rut, not bumped my way, just walked straight at me. I could see my breath going straight at this 13 pt. He finally turns at an angle at 30 yds so I could shoot. I did shower and practice scent control. My point is if wind had been nw , i would not have hunted that stand. I would have missed an opportunity to kill a mature deer. This wind thing jus lets me make an excuse not to hunt a certain stand, because the spots i hunt deer can come in any direction.


Yep. Most of my spots are in places where they can come from anywhere, but I try to get them to where I know which way will be most likely for them to come. You got to have a little luck like in your case.
And I have never hunted the mid-West, but I am sure it aint like it is around here. UP there it is more fields than woods/thickets like it is here, therefor I believe it is easier to set up on a woodlot or thicket waiting for the deer to come out to feed.

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#3336473 - 08/26/13 12:07 PM Re: When it's just not right? [Re: smstone22]
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If all my stands did not work with the wind on a day I planned to hunt, I would rather sneak in downwind and sit under a random tree than stay at home. Also during the early morning before the sun is up, it seems the wind is unpredictable anyway.
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#3336539 - 08/26/13 12:48 PM Re: When it's just not right? [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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Hate to say it but I have hunted when the wind was wrong and the time of day was wrong. No telling how many times I have tipped a deer off. I have sat in a tree and cursed myself for being so dumb as to hunt the stand when I knew the wind was wrong. But like Adam, I am mortal and can and will screw up. Unfortunately I will do it again.
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#3336566 - 08/26/13 01:03 PM Re: When it's just not right? [Re: catman529]
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 Originally Posted By: catman529
If all my stands did not work with the wind on a day I planned to hunt, I would rather sneak in downwind and sit under a random tree than stay at home. Also during the early morning before the sun is up, it seems the wind is unpredictable anyway.

Agree

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#3336586 - 08/26/13 01:13 PM Re: When it's just not right? [Re: turkeyhunter]
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 Originally Posted By: turkeyhunter
How to u know which way the deer will come from. One of my biggest bucks came in the wrong way last year. I was hunting a stand that no way i would consider without a southwest wind. All conditions where good except he came in from opposite direction. Not in rut, not bumped my way, just walked straight at me. I could see my breath going straight at this 13 pt. He finally turns at an angle at 30 yds so I could shoot. I did shower and practice scent control. My point is if wind had been nw , i would not have hunted that stand. I would have missed an opportunity to kill a mature deer. This wind thing jus lets me make an excuse not to hunt a certain stand, because the spots i hunt deer can come in any direction.


Great post. It is very rare I know where the deer are exactly or where they ALWAYS be approaching from. If I did know I can't imagine the number of great bucks I could kill.
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#3336615 - 08/26/13 01:40 PM Re: When it's just not right? [Re: Headhunter]
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The one time I can remember that we purposefully hunted stands under the "wrong" wind conditions was two years ago, when the wind seemed to blow hard out of the South and Southwest all season long (at least all November). Eventually, we ran out of stands positioned for predominantly S-SW winds. We started hunting stands set for W, NW, SE, and E winds, and eventually ran out of those too and had to hunt stands in the completely wrong wind direction. Our rapid decline in buck sightings that year shows what impact that had.
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#3336684 - 08/26/13 02:31 PM Re: When it's just not right? [Re: BSK]
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No go! If I was ever faced with one single stand and I thought a good buck lived in the area, I wouldn't hunt it with a bad wind unless it was the last day of season! I cant imagine not having atleast 1 other place in mind when the winds change!
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#3336689 - 08/26/13 02:37 PM Re: When it's just not right? [Re: turkeyhunter]
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 Originally Posted By: turkeyhunter
I would have missed an opportunity to kill a mature deer. This wind thing jus lets me make an excuse not to hunt a certain stand, because the spots i hunt deer can come in any direction.


I agree turkeyhunter, its almost impossible to narrow a deer down to coming only one direction unless you know their habits and even then they will come in different sometimes, especially mature bucks. They often stay alive by not following the crowd and they have their own trails. I try to play the wind but often it will change several times while on stand. You would be dancing all over the woods trying to move with the wind. I try to stay flexible, try not to hunt the same stand more than three times, get high as I can and use scent control. I have had does bust me and blow only to call in a mature buck, so you never know.
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#3336772 - 08/26/13 03:54 PM Re: When it's just not right? [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter
I see alot of people answering with "I will change locations"... The thing is, I do not believe that was part of the question....lol.

If you had one stand and the wind was not right, would you still go and hunt....because you would rather risk getting busted and missing out on that big deer than sit at home?
No,but I think it would be very rare that someone would only have one option,even on a very small place.My friend has 25 acres on the river,we have 7 or 8 stands,can hunt most any wind.
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#3337332 - 08/26/13 11:41 PM Re: When it's just not right? [Re: Football Hunter]
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If I only had one stand and the situation was wrong for it then I would either go find a natural blind to sit behind or go on a stillhunt with the wind in my face as I make my way through thick stuff.
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#3337348 - 08/27/13 12:09 AM Re: When it's just not right? [Re: DirtyBear0311]
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I did not take the question literally at first. But if I only had one stand as you said and it wasn't right I would not hunt. Your chances of killing a mature deer are pretty much over before it started. Not saying it couldn't happen but highly unlikely .
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#3337473 - 08/27/13 07:22 AM Re: When it's just not right? [Re: deerhunter10]
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All I can say is I wish I knew where the deer were going to be or come from as well as most on here. I cannot tell you the number of stands I have that I have watched hundreds and hundreds of deer out of and if you asked me, I would tell you they will come from that direction or I have never seen a buck come from that direction, or I have never seen a buck out of that stand or I have never seen a good buck there, etc. only to hunt it in the "perfect wind" just to have the best buck I have seen there or in that area come from where he should not or walk where a deer has never walked in 20 plus years of hunting and be dead downwind of me in the "perfect wind" for that stand. I have seen old mature bucks pass up a "jungle" of a bedding area, one instance I had a lock on hung over 40' high so I could watch the area from about 200 yards, and on a "perfect wind" morning, kill a great buck after he bedded down in a bush hogged field directly downwind of my stand. The landowner told me told me he saw him there several times. I never got closer than 200 yards to that bedding area. When I think I know where the deer will be I do my best to "hunt the wind" but to me deer walk where they want to, not where the "local expert" says you will see them.

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#3337478 - 08/27/13 07:28 AM Re: When it's just not right? [Re: Headhunter]
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I killed this buck with a gun out of a stand that I hunted every single morning and evening for 12 days straight, no matter the wind or anything. He walked by downwind of me on the 13th morning and that was all it took. Field dressed 180 lbs.



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#3337529 - 08/27/13 08:15 AM Re: When it's just not right? [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
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When the wind is wrong, when you can not possibly get in to your stand without boogering up the place and busting deer, or you simply realize that by location your place is not a morning stand....do you still go? Do you wait and go in the afternoon or simply stay out altogether until it's right?


I never have a single stand choice. I always have multiple stands set up for every wind direction as well as morning versus evening situation.


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#3337542 - 08/27/13 08:25 AM Re: When it's just not right? [Re: W.Seay]
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In the unlikely event that I didn't have another stand choice, I'd stay in camp and drink beer.
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