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#3334989 - 08/25/13 09:58 AM Minimum acres to hunt
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Didn't want to hijack the other thread re how many acres do you hunt.

What do you think is the minimum number of acres and mix of features (crop, pasture, timber etc) that would sustain a decent doe herd, support fawn recruitment and provide a few 110, 120 or better bucks each year? Assume two hunters adhering to QDM practices. I know it all depends but I'm wondering if such land in TN would ever be within my means.
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#3334991 - 08/25/13 10:03 AM Re: Minimum acres to hunt [Re: OHVATN]
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When you asked about acres to HUNT, I think only in terms of enough acreage to hang a stand and have deer cross.....Very few small farms , even in the 100s of acres will hold deer on them 24/7.

I think the most important thing here is to pick a great ambush point where deer cross your acreage...Thusly one acre in the right spot is enough acreage to hunt....good luck!
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#3335002 - 08/25/13 10:22 AM Re: Minimum acres to hunt [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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Killed my biggest buck to date off of a 30 acre tract all hardwoods surrounded on all sides by hundreds more acres of hardwoods.
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#3335055 - 08/25/13 11:22 AM Re: Minimum acres to hunt [Re: OHVATN]
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 Originally Posted By: OHVATN
Didn't want to hijack the other thread re how many acres do you hunt.

What do you think is the minimum number of acres and mix of features (crop, pasture, timber etc) that would sustain a decent doe herd, support fawn recruitment and provide a few 110, 120 or better bucks each year?


The vast majority of properties hunters hunt don't individually sustain any amount of deer. Unless you expect to find several thousand contiguous acres, every deer you see is going to be using neighboring properties.

A 20 acre property may be the best hunting a hunter can imagine.
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#3335076 - 08/25/13 11:39 AM Re: Minimum acres to hunt [Re: BSK]
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When I said I hunt one acre at a time in the other thread, I was not kidding. Don't worry about a sustaining property. All you need is the one acre they travel through on a regular basis.

I have a stand in the middle of an eight acre thicket from which I have killed 39-deer in 13-years. Last year, I killed four from it and have no idea how many I passed up. Look for the little properties everybody else passes up.
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#3335109 - 08/25/13 12:13 PM Re: Minimum acres to hunt [Re: bowriter]
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 Originally Posted By: bowriter
When I said I hunt one acre at a time in the other thread, I was not kidding. Don't worry about a sustaining property. All you need is the one acre they travel through on a regular basis.

I have a stand in the middle of an eight acre thicket from which I have killed 39-deer in 13-years. Last year, I killed four from it and have no idea how many I passed up. Look for the little properties everybody else passes up.


I concur with this. Finding a small but good property to hunt can be better than a 1000 acres. I hunted several small(5-10 acre) plots back in Wisconsin. However I was restricted to no bucks on most of them, they just wanted the does numbers down. But I always saw some incredible buck sign but never gave them as much time as the property I hunted in the north woods because of the limitations.

One advatage we had in hunting a small property in WI was what was called right to recover and it basically said if you could not find the owner within a reasonable amount of effort you could go and get the game. But you could not carry a weapon and if it came into dispute you better be able to show you shot the animal on your property and how you tracked it there.
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#3335121 - 08/25/13 12:27 PM Re: Minimum acres to hunt [Re: Redfred16]
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On several farms i have 1-3 acre patches of woods.I delibrately run em out a few times each year.Dont want them to feel secure there.Just almost impossible to hunt em there.
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#3335137 - 08/25/13 12:39 PM Re: Minimum acres to hunt [Re: Mr.Bro]
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One of my most productive spots is a 10 acre thicket..
I don't think I have ever hunted it and not seen deer.
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#3335203 - 08/25/13 01:36 PM Re: Minimum acres to hunt [Re: Roost 1]
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I have the most potential to see/shoot deer on a 20 acre piece I have permission to hunt.
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#3335323 - 08/25/13 04:13 PM Re: Minimum acres to hunt [Re: cozy23]
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You can't sustain a good herd with such little acreage. You can kill the deer traveling through though. It blew my mind last year when I learned how far these animals travel. We have 850 acres with thickets, big hardwoods, and water. Everything you would need to hold deer you would think. I was amazed when I was getting pics of bucks on one end than seeing them later a long ways from where the pic was taken. That being said if every property around you didn't adopt the QDM as well then the buck you pass up on will likely go over the ridge onto the bordering property and get shot. You can have those small honey holes. I have some as little as 13 acres. But not to grow and hold big bucks. I think it would take a couple thousand acres to grow and HOLD WITHIN some trophy deer. Or maybe hire Brian to come out and prep your land for you.
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#3335336 - 08/25/13 04:22 PM Re: Minimum acres to hunt [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK

The vast majority of properties hunters hunt don't individually sustain any amount of deer. Unless you expect to find several thousand contiguous acres, every deer you see is going to be using neighboring properties.

A 20 acre property may be the best hunting a hunter can imagine.


Well put.

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#3335388 - 08/25/13 05:19 PM Re: Minimum acres to hunt [Re: Mr.Bro]
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 Originally Posted By: Mr.Bro
On several farms i have 1-3 acre patches of woods.I delibrately run em out a few times each year.Dont want them to feel secure there.Just almost impossible to hunt em there.


Can I come run them out for you? And would it be okay if I killed one or six while doing it?
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#3335408 - 08/25/13 05:37 PM Re: Minimum acres to hunt [Re: J-WO]
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 Originally Posted By: J-WO
 Originally Posted By: BSK

The vast majority of properties hunters hunt don't individually sustain any amount of deer. Unless you expect to find several thousand contiguous acres, every deer you see is going to be using neighboring properties.

A 20 acre property may be the best hunting a hunter can imagine.


Well put.


Yep

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#3335489 - 08/25/13 06:31 PM Re: Minimum acres to hunt [Re: Poleaxe]
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I know huge deer that come off tracts 10-30 acres.
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#3335580 - 08/25/13 07:28 PM Re: Minimum acres to hunt [Re: Poleaxe]
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Thanks everyone. Such a great site. I learn so much.

Sounds like 20-30 acres or even less is ok and best if there's plenty of contiguous surrounding property hopefully QDM managed or not managed and hunted at all. Something like surrounded or adjacent to a state park or ag lands that aren't hunted.

I've always thought a good strategy if I got my hands on 20 acres or so is to QDM it and also build a sanctuary in the center of it to pull in deer that are being hunted on adjacent lands.
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#3335652 - 08/25/13 07:59 PM Re: Minimum acres to hunt [Re: OHVATN]
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 Originally Posted By: OHVATN
Thanks everyone. Such a great site. I learn so much.

Sounds like 20-30 acres or even less is ok and best if there's plenty of contiguous surrounding property hopefully QDM managed or not managed and hunted at all. Something like surrounded or adjacent to a state park or ag lands that aren't hunted.

I've always thought a good strategy if I got my hands on 20 acres or so is to QDM it and also build a sanctuary in the center of it to pull in deer that are being hunted on adjacent lands.


One thing to factor in is wounded deer running off of a small piece of property. If you have good neighbors that will give you permission to retrieve, no problem. But, you are trespassing if you go on others property to retrieve without their permission.
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#3336118 - 08/26/13 08:13 AM Re: Minimum acres to hunt [Re: Poleaxe]
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 Originally Posted By: Poleaxe
We have 850 acres with thickets, big hardwoods, and water. Everything you would need to hold deer you would think. I was amazed when I was getting pics of bucks on one end than seeing them later a long ways from where the pic was taken.


In 14 years of running season-long camera censuses, I've never observed a single buck that lived within the confines of my 500 acres. They all travel farther than that. And it is commonplace for us to kill an individual buck somewhere other than where he was most frequently photographed.


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That being said if every property around you didn't adopt the QDM as well then the buck you pass up on will likely go over the ridge onto the bordering property and get shot.


That's one of the most common misconceptions about QDM. Unquestionably some bucks you pass will be killed by neighbors, but not the majority.

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#3336120 - 08/26/13 08:15 AM Re: Minimum acres to hunt [Re: OHVATN]
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 Originally Posted By: OHVATN
I've always thought a good strategy if I got my hands on 20 acres or so is to QDM it and also build a sanctuary in the center of it to pull in deer that are being hunted on adjacent lands.


DURING THE HUNTING SEASON, the greatest draw for a property is not some specialized or fancy food plot. It is security cover. DURING DAYLIGHT, hunter-wary deer seek sanctuary above all things.
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#3336138 - 08/26/13 08:24 AM Re: Minimum acres to hunt [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: OHVATN
I've always thought a good strategy if I got my hands on 20 acres or so is to QDM it and also build a sanctuary in the center of it to pull in deer that are being hunted on adjacent lands.


DURING THE HUNTING SEASON, the greatest draw for a property is not some specialized or fancy food plot. It is security cover. DURING DAYLIGHT, hunter-wary deer seek sanctuary above all things.


Too many people can't sit in a thicket seeing far less deer than they would on a food source, even though that thicket may be the bed of a Booner....get it the thicket well before daylight and sit all day. I have no doubt that the best deer that I ever killed was bedded down close to me all day and then about an hour before dark, he stood up and started walking toward the fields....bad mistake, lol.
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#3336146 - 08/26/13 08:27 AM Re: Minimum acres to hunt [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter
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I've always thought a good strategy if I got my hands on 20 acres or so is to QDM it and also build a sanctuary in the center of it to pull in deer that are being hunted on adjacent lands.


DURING THE HUNTING SEASON, the greatest draw for a property is not some specialized or fancy food plot. It is security cover. DURING DAYLIGHT, hunter-wary deer seek sanctuary above all things.


Too many people can't sit in a thicket seeing far less deer than they would on a food source, even though that thicket may be the bed of a Booner...


Very true. Even when I'm gun hunting, if I can see more than 50 yards, I'm hunting in the wrong spot! Some of my gun stands won't allow a 25 yard shot.
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#3336253 - 08/26/13 09:31 AM Re: Minimum acres to hunt [Re: BSK]
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There is no set amount of property it takes to kill a deer. All that is required of that property is a drawing card...the more drawing cards the better. That could be a relief from surrounding hunting pressure, terrain dictated travel routes, food sources, and/or security cover...and each would provide it's own attraction. If you have food the deer will come. The problem is that without adequate security cover they will feed on your property at night and be gone by daylight once you apply hunting pressure. Security cover is the major drawing card for putting deer on your place during daylight but the problem with small acreage is over pressuring it during hunting season.

If I only had small acreage to hunt and I was the sole hunter I would wait until absolute prime time hunting before stepping foot onto it (pre-rut into the rut).
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#3336265 - 08/26/13 09:36 AM Re: Minimum acres to hunt [Re: Mike Belt]
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 Originally Posted By: Mike Belt
Security cover is the major drawing card for putting deer on your place during daylight but the problem with small acreage is over pressuring it during hunting season.


Well said.
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#3336572 - 08/26/13 01:06 PM Re: Minimum acres to hunt [Re: BSK]
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One thing I would keep in mind if buying a very small amount of land to deer hunt is how much your lands attractiveness depends on your neighbors land. You can't control neighbors and they can suddenly make big changes such as totally removing all cover. If your small property depended on deer movement in and out of that neighbors cover, you are out of luck. I would try to buy the small property in an area where most of the surrounding land was at least decent deer habitat so you are not so much at the mercy of one neighbor.
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#3336601 - 08/26/13 01:27 PM Re: Minimum acres to hunt [Re: Hunter 257W]
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Excellent point Hunter_257W.
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#3336692 - 08/26/13 02:37 PM Re: Minimum acres to hunt [Re: BSK]
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I hunt some incredibly small tracts here at times. A 4 acre and 8 acre tract come to mind. Granted these are surrounded by larger tracts but I only have permission on small areas, but the deer will cross them at certain places!
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#3336800 - 08/26/13 04:24 PM Re: Minimum acres to hunt [Re: Redfred16]
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Yep, I have a 32 acre lease sandwiched inbetween other properties and it is about 2-3 acres wide. You'd never believe how many deer cross that place. We found two crossing points and 2 spots where, for lack of a better description they like to hang out, and killed deer every trip last year but one.

My first trip to the property I bounced at least 4 separate groups of does within 200 yards of the road. Hardest part is not straying off the property. you can cross 3 acres pretty quick.

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#3336805 - 08/26/13 04:28 PM Re: Minimum acres to hunt [Re: DaveB]
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I've killed a lot of deer on small properties.
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#3337174 - 08/26/13 08:41 PM Re: Minimum acres to hunt [Re: 348Winchester]
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i have killed 181 4/8 net tn deer on 3 acres and usually kill atleast 7- 10 deer off it every year
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#3337196 - 08/26/13 08:56 PM Re: Minimum acres to hunt [Re: Deer Assassin]
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I had some good luck on 10 acres last year. Had a couple nice herds of doe and saw a few nice bucks. Almost every time I was out there I saw something. Cant complain for a novice hunter
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#3337398 - 08/27/13 05:16 AM Re: Minimum acres to hunt [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter
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 Originally Posted By: OHVATN
I've always thought a good strategy if I got my hands on 20 acres or so is to QDM it and also build a sanctuary in the center of it to pull in deer that are being hunted on adjacent lands.


DURING THE HUNTING SEASON, the greatest draw for a property is not some specialized or fancy food plot. It is security cover. DURING DAYLIGHT, hunter-wary deer seek sanctuary above all things.


Too many people can't sit in a thicket seeing far less deer than they would on a food source, even though that thicket may be the bed of a Booner...


Very true. Even when I'm gun hunting, if I can see more than 50 yards, I'm hunting in the wrong spot! Some of my gun stands won't allow a 25 yard shot.


I donotb elieve I can shoot more than 35-yards from any of my stands. During the early season, 20-yards is more likely. I love hunting thickets. It requires being more alert and ready to take quick shots but it is more exciting than shooting one at 250-yards from a shooting house. It also requires EXACT stand placement and positioning.
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#3337407 - 08/27/13 05:30 AM Re: Minimum acres to hunt [Re: bowriter]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
...if I can see more than 50 yards, I'm hunting in the wrong spot! Some of my gun stands won't allow a 25 yard shot.


 Originally Posted By: bowriter

I do not believe I can shoot more than 35-yards from any of my stands. During the early season, 20-yards is more likely. I love hunting thickets.


I like to hunt thickets as well, but it can be extremely aggravating too. On a place I used to hunt it was not uncommon at all to have deer within 50 yards of you, hear them plain as day, you could easily pin point there location listening to theire movement, but still NEVER see them. It would drive me insane. And, many times when you're hunting a thicket you don't have a lot of stand placement options either...so there wasn't much I could do about it.
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#3338623 - 08/27/13 09:16 PM Re: Minimum acres to hunt [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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so true.
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