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#3333251 - 08/23/13 02:14 PM Cardio won't get you ripped...
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http://rippedbody.jp/so-you-really-think-running-will-get-you-those-abs/

Was reading back up on getting my macro nutrients dialed back in and came across this blog post.

I already have my daily workouts (6-7 days per week) down to 30 minutes or less. Lifting day is 3 exercises, cardio day is 30-35 minutes, tops.

I find the cardio useful for my daily life, but as a weight loss or management tool, I am reminded yet again: you can't out run a bad diet.


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#3333258 - 08/23/13 02:23 PM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: -DRM-]
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SO true!
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#3333266 - 08/23/13 02:30 PM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: Kimber45]
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It's soooo easy to get sucked into thinking that, then get disappointed (or burned out) when you never reach your goals of getting lean.
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#3333568 - 08/23/13 08:26 PM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: -DRM-]
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 Originally Posted By: -DRM-
It's soooo easy to get sucked into thinking that, then get disappointed (or burned out) when you never reach your goals of getting lean.

You can get lean doing cardio
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#3333740 - 08/23/13 10:34 PM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: beachguy]
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 Originally Posted By: beachguy
 Originally Posted By: -DRM-
It's soooo easy to get sucked into thinking that, then get disappointed (or burned out) when you never reach your goals of getting lean.

You can get lean doing cardio


Not if your diet isn't right.
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#3333848 - 08/24/13 04:47 AM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: SilverFox]
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right, which is burn more calorie than you eat.

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#3333907 - 08/24/13 06:59 AM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: beachguy]
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 Originally Posted By: beachguy
right, which is burn more calorie than you eat.


Sorry, but it is not that simple. You can lose weight, and you can lose fat, but just eating less calories than you burn will not be you ripped-abs lean. To get there, you have to pay attention to When and where and what you eat, too.

I understand this is "next level" type stuff, to worry about after you have already come close to reaching your goals but need to push through the last and hardest part, but "just eat less calories than you burn" will NOT get you a ripped six pack - period.


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#3333920 - 08/24/13 07:21 AM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: -DRM-]
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Wrong! Everyone has a six pack.
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#3333960 - 08/24/13 08:08 AM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: beachguy]
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to see your abs, you need to get down to about 7%-12% bodyfat
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#3337967 - 08/27/13 01:37 PM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: beachguy]
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 Originally Posted By: beachguy
Wrong! Everyone has a six pack.


Yes, we all understand everyone has the same muscles in their body.

What exactly are you calling "wrong"?

Cardio will not get you ripped, period. Cardio + diet will, but I can guarantee you can out-eat any cardio program you want to throw at your body.
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#3338140 - 08/27/13 03:49 PM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: -DRM-]
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cardio is the true measure of fitness. i am reminded each yr when the teachers from our area play the cops and firemen in a charity fundraiser. all the teachers are cardio nuts- runners, 5k 10k 1/2 maqrathoners, bikers, 2 cross fit addicts. the cops and firemen are typically weightlifters (no neck barrel chests). teachers win each yr by about 30 points and arent even tired of the game. cops and firemen (especially) look like they need emergency services lol
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#3338141 - 08/27/13 03:49 PM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: redblood]
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i do agree that even ridiculous amounts of cardio cant offset a bad diet
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#3338164 - 08/27/13 04:12 PM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: redblood]
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 Originally Posted By: redblood
cardio is the true measure of fitness. i am reminded each yr when the teachers from our area play the cops and firemen in a charity fundraiser. all the teachers are cardio nuts- runners, 5k 10k 1/2 maqrathoners, bikers, 2 cross fit addicts. the cops and firemen are typically weightlifters (no neck barrel chests). teachers win each yr by about 30 points and arent even tired of the game. cops and firemen (especially) look like they need emergency services lol


A good friend of mine went to a high school that had a extremely competitive swim team. I believe that one year, both the swim team and the football team were state champions. Apparently, the had an unofficial flag football game, swim team vs the football team, the swim team won by a landslide.

Cardio may not be the most direct way to getting "ripped", but not everyone cares about getting ripped. I do cardio for the endurance factor because I don't wish to be inhibited of any enjoyment of life (whether that means stomping around a massive slough all day rabbit hunting, going deep in the woods for a deer hunt, hiking in the mountains, riding bike trails.... having a 3some \:D ... or what have you ) because of a lack of endurance. Endurance is critical.
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#3338647 - 08/27/13 09:24 PM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: Poser]
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i agree. i like to know if i break down in my car i can run home. i like to know if i want to squirrel hunt from my house to my family farm how , i can cover the 3 or so miles on foot. i like to be able to drag deer out without a fourwheeler. it doesnt matter big your "guns" are, they are useless if your heart and lungs cant supply the oxygen
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#3338778 - 08/27/13 11:39 PM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: Poser]
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 Originally Posted By: Poser


Cardio may not be the most direct way to getting "ripped", but not everyone cares about getting ripped. I do cardio for the endurance factor because I don't wish to be inhibited of any enjoyment of life (whether that means stomping around a massive slough all day rabbit hunting, going deep in the woods for a deer hunt, hiking in the mountains, riding bike trails.... having a 3some \:D ... or what have you ) because of a lack of endurance. Endurance is critical.


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#3338920 - 08/28/13 07:17 AM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: Poser]
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 Originally Posted By: Poser

Cardio may not be the most direct way to getting "ripped", but not everyone cares about getting ripped.


Let me put it another way. The point I was getting across is you can't out-run a bad diet, and you can't run your beer gut off if you aren't addressing the fuel you feed your body.

I've been there, I've spent 90 minutes on the elliptical 4-6 days per week and would up frustrated that the spare tire and love handles simply were not going away. It wasn't until I fixed my food that they went away.

I just hate seeing other people work really hard and put in a lot of miles only to be disappointed when they don't get the results they were looking for. It sucks. And as much as I like the endurance, I also don't like looking like I am 6 months pregnant, lol.
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#3339090 - 08/28/13 09:32 AM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: -DRM-]
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 Originally Posted By: -DRM-
 Originally Posted By: Poser

Cardio may not be the most direct way to getting "ripped", but not everyone cares about getting ripped.


Let me put it another way. The point I was getting across is you can't out-run a bad diet, and you can't run your beer gut off if you aren't addressing the fuel you feed your body.

I've been there, I've spent 90 minutes on the elliptical 4-6 days per week and would up frustrated that the spare tire and love handles simply were not going away. It wasn't until I fixed my food that they went away.

I just hate seeing other people work really hard and put in a lot of miles only to be disappointed when they don't get the results they were looking for. It sucks. And as much as I like the endurance, I also don't like looking like I am 6 months pregnant, lol.





ahh come on, pregnant folk have that beautiful glow lol.
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#3343899 - 09/01/13 06:05 PM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: redblood]
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#3343911 - 09/01/13 06:11 PM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: redblood]
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 Originally Posted By: redblood
ahh come on, pregnant folk have that beautiful glow lol.



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#3345536 - 09/03/13 10:04 AM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: -DRM-]
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 Originally Posted By: -DRM-
 Originally Posted By: redblood
ahh come on, pregnant folk have that beautiful glow lol.



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#3354372 - 09/10/13 07:19 PM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: -DRM-]
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Lifting + High Intensity Interval Training + a good diet will do the best.
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#3356259 - 09/11/13 10:20 PM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: -DRM-]
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I disaggree.When I decided I wanted to lose weight and slim down,all I did was RUN..And RUN.Built myself up to where I can run 5 miles comfortably and thats what I usually run.I don't lift,and I don't diet,I never have.I've lost 80 lbs doing this.Only dieting I have done is not eat after 6pm,and gave up soft drinks,and only drink water.I still eat what I want and how much ever I want through the day,and I definatly have a defined 6 pack now. Some days I run more than 5 miles and some I run 4,but never under 4, 4 is the minimum I will run,If I don't have time to run 4 miles I don't even bother with it.I log 25-30 miles a week.
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#3356662 - 09/12/13 10:35 AM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: cecil30-30]
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 Originally Posted By: cecil30-30
If I don't have time to run 4 miles I don't even bother with it.I log 25-30 miles a week.


I'm with you on that. Running 2 miles seems pointless to me unless it is the extension of a larger workout. When I am feeling burned out on my usual 4-5 mile run, I hop on my bike and ride a couple of miles to some trails and go trail running and do stair steps on blown down trees. On these days, I never pay attention to mileage, just length of work out at a minimum of 60 minutes. Less than a hour doesn't seem worth the effort to me.
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#3360245 - 09/15/13 03:29 PM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: Poser]
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Here's the best analogy I can offer:

Consider two Olympians: one is a 100m sprinter and the other a 10km runner.

The sprinter is a far superior athlete in my opinion. Bigger, faster, stronger. A sprinter will use heavy weight training, running, plyometrics, etc.

The distance runner has low body fat % but is essentially emaciated.

They may each have a "6-pack" but the level of fitness is considerable different. Here's a picture for comparison purposes:

http://strongmanathletics.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/sprinter-vs-distance.jpg

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#3360824 - 09/15/13 11:49 PM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: Outdoor Enthusiast]
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In what world do you consider a long distance runner not athletic?
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#3360936 - 09/16/13 07:00 AM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: TAFKAP]
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i prefer to run about 6-7 and then bike around 10-12. of course time becomes an issue
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#3360953 - 09/16/13 07:19 AM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: redblood]
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Guys, I didn't say running would not help you lose weight. I'm talking about the last bit to get RIPPED, and that takes effort to cut out the subcutaneous fat that hides muscle definition.

Cardio alone simply won't do that.
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#3361106 - 09/16/13 09:52 AM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: TAFKAP]
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 Originally Posted By: TAFKAP
In what world do you consider a long distance runner not athletic?


In the real world.

Athleticism is far more than running long distances. When one considers athleticism, what traits would you use to measure the level of athelticism?

Better yet if you could throw a big group of exercises in a hopper to test athletes, what would they be? And how would a sprinter compare to a marathoner?

I would expect to see some of the following: Push ups, pull ups, squats, sprints, plyometrics, lift something heavy and move it a distance, run 5k, throw an object, run maximum distance in set time, etc.

It's safe to say that a sprinter would win most every test excluding the longer time domain endurance event.

Here's a visual aid:

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#3361112 - 09/16/13 09:58 AM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: -DRM-]
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 Originally Posted By: -DRM-
Guys, I didn't say running would not help you lose weight. I'm talking about the last bit to get RIPPED, and that takes effort to cut out the subcutaneous fat that hides muscle definition.

Cardio alone simply won't do that.


Diet is simply the best way to do that. If you are looking for a recipe to having low body-fat percentage look to Muscle and Fitness. Bodybuilders have perfected the art of cutting body fat.

Granted, it's very hard to maximize performance while being that lean. Bodybuilders often only stay that way for a short period of time.

In my opinion, a "Primal" diet is more preferred over a paleo diet when you want to maximize performance. Or the zone diet which is tailored specifically for your level of activity and body mass. Only bad part of zone is you have to weigh your food on a scale until you get it figured out.

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#3361115 - 09/16/13 10:00 AM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: Outdoor Enthusiast]
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I don't need to see the same pictures comparing the physiques of two different types of athletes.

By your definition, the meatheads that spend all their time in front of the mirrors at the gym building muscles are no more an athlete than a couch hog who can't run a mile.

If long distance running isn't athletic, I'm curious to know your marathon time that would lead you to that conclusion.
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#3361355 - 09/16/13 01:14 PM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: TAFKAP]
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Hm. Let me try this again and keep in mind that we are talking about "athleticism" and "fitness". Also, the original context of the OP is "ripped" which might be translated as superior body composition. So, I posted about an athlete with superior body composition.

 Originally Posted By: TAFKAP
I don't need to see the same pictures comparing the physiques of two different types of athletes.

I realize the difference is obvious. The sprinter's training has made him a more well-rounded athlete with ideal body composition.

 Originally Posted By: TAFKAP
By your definition, the meatheads that spend all their time in front of the mirrors at the gym building muscles are no more an athlete than a couch hog who can't run a mile.

My argument had nothing to do with bodybuidling. A bodybuilder follows a single modality much like a marathoner. They are on opposite ends of the spectrum in form, but both are specialists solely in what they do. When considering a general fitness test both would struggle with things outside their specialty.

 Originally Posted By: TAFKAP
If long distance running isn't athletic, I'm curious to know your marathon time that would lead you to that conclusion.


If you are a long-distance runner, I'm not trying to look down or "slam" your choice of training methodologies; however, take a step back and consider a marathoner's physique. I realize they are lean, but at the cost of wasting away all muscle mass beyond what's required to run 26 miles.

As you might have guessed, I am not a long-distance runner, so I can't provide you with a time. I prefer to limit my running to 400m, 800m, 1600m and 5km.

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#3361417 - 09/16/13 02:01 PM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: Outdoor Enthusiast]
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 Originally Posted By: Outdoor Enthusiast
Here's the best analogy I can offer:

Consider two Olympians: one is a 100m sprinter and the other a 10km runner.

The sprinter is a far superior athlete in my opinion. Bigger, faster, stronger. A sprinter will use heavy weight training, running, plyometrics, etc.

The distance runner has low body fat % but is essentially emaciated.

They may each have a "6-pack" but the level of fitness is considerable different. Here's a picture for comparison purposes:

http://strongmanathletics.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/sprinter-vs-distance.jpg


I HATE the word Plyometrics however it is something that I WILL transition back into doing one time-one hour a week by fall.
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#3361447 - 09/16/13 02:16 PM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: Kimber45]
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 Originally Posted By: Outdoor Enthusiast
Here's the best analogy I can offer:

Consider two Olympians: one is a 100m sprinter and the other a 10km runner.

The sprinter is a far superior athlete in my opinion. Bigger, faster, stronger. A sprinter will use heavy weight training, running, plyometrics, etc.

The distance runner has low body fat % but is essentially emaciated.

They may each have a "6-pack" but the level of fitness is considerable different. Here's a picture for comparison purposes:

http://strongmanathletics.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/sprinter-vs-distance.jpg


I HATE the word Plyometrics however it is something that I WILL transition back into doing one time-one hour a week by fall.


I agree. It's a love-hate relationship.

If you don't have a plyo box, there is a really good template online for building a 24" high one. If you can't find it I can probably dig it up. I think it was a Crossfit journal article.

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#3363502 - 09/17/13 08:27 PM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: Outdoor Enthusiast]
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I would not suggest starting with a 24" box... your shins will hate you, lol.
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#3363965 - 09/18/13 06:20 AM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: -DRM-]
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No box for my old knees

P90X Plyometrics for an hour is about all the abuse I'll be able to stand and, it will take me at least 5 sessions to get the full hour again - but that's ok as I'll log 5+ minutes more each time until I get there.
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#3365098 - 09/18/13 08:33 PM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: Kimber45]
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I've been using an 18" box the last few weeks on my cardio days...

30 minutes on the elliptical, hopping off at every 5 minute mark to step over and do 15 box jumps and getting back to the elliptical before it resets. Kind of a mini HIIT routine, but it really kicks my heart rate up awesome.
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#3365667 - 09/19/13 09:20 AM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: -DRM-]
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Let me muddy the waters some in the sprinter vs runner debate:

Here is a sprinters body:


We need to define what we mean when we say sprinter and runner. When most people say sprinter they are thinking anaerobically trained athlete. When people say runner they are thinking aerobically trained athlete.

Anaerobic activity (high intensity, short duration) builds fast twitch muscle tissue. This type of muscle tissue grows in size and mass. Aerobic activity (low intensity long duration) trains slow twitch muscle. This type of muscle does not grow in size, it increases in mitochondrial density (energy producing structures.

All things being equal (diet being the biggest), an anaerobic athlete will be build better because of the added muscle mass. However, if your diet isn't in check you'll be adding muscle under your fat... see pic above.
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#3366717 - 09/19/13 10:14 PM Re: Cardio won't get your ripped... [Re: JWW4]
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Another key point in the sprinter vs marathon physique is the use of PED's. Multiple world class sprinters have been caught using steroids. So we should clarify natural physique vs enhanced physique.
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