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#334898 - 08/10/07 08:48 AM Re: Feeding Deer [Re: Team Browning]
89montero
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 Originally Posted By: Team Browning
how about not feeding them? do people not read what the people who work with wild game for a living write? and I love the argument of - well ive never seen it so it must not exist and i wont stop doing something until every deer falls over dead and 4 out of 5 biologists agree what the cause was.



If I believed everything I read I'd never leave the house. lol
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#334933 - 08/10/07 09:24 AM Re: Feeding Deer [Re: BSK]
brier rabbit
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i do read what read what the people who work with them say. some state biolagist say in is no good some sy it is ok. just about all of the private land game biologist say it is very important to give your deer additionl feed for max herd helth, what do you think on global warming.
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#335042 - 08/10/07 10:46 AM Re: Feeding Deer [Re: brier rabbit]
BSK
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some state biolagist say in is no good some sy it is ok. just about all of the private land game biologist say it is very important to give your deer additionl feed for max herd helth,


That would not be an accurate statement. Any private land biologists worth their salt will have read the best research available and realize the dangers of supplemental feeding. There's a huge difference between feeding deer supplemental feed from a feeder and providing the best nutrition possible through improving the habitat. One is natural while the other is highly unnatural. Unnatural processes WILL come back to burn us. I guarantee it.

No offense to any state or private biologist, but there is a big difference between someone who has a degree in wildlife biology and those biologist that are involved in research. There were many, many biologist who believed Traditional Management was the best and only way to manage deer until research biologists recently proved them wrong.

The very best research not only shows the benefits that can be achieved through supplemental feeding, but also the very negative consequences of supplemental feeding. It's a double-edged sword. It can help AND hurt, and from my perspective it's the long-term "hurt" that is more important than the short-term "help."



...what do you think on global warming.

As I degreed Meteorologist and Earth Scientist I can tell you that the Earth's climate is always in a state of flux. It is either warming or cooling and rarely stays stable. The geologic history of our planet is one of continuous major swings in climate, all without the influence of the hand of man, and the planet has had about 3.9 billion years of history to prove that the system cannot "tip" too far either direction--eventually the system balances itself.

Is our climate warming? Might be, but the data isn't conclusive yet. However, it will certainly be warming or cooling over time. It rarely stays stable. Are we humans the cause of any major, long-term shifts in climate? Highly, highly unlikely. From what we know of the Earth's history, we do know that radical differences in atmospheric chemistry does significantly effect the climate. However, the term "radical" is critical. The changes we humans are making in atmospheric chemistry are very, very minor. In addition, carbon dioxide is a "greenhouse gas", but it is actually a weak one. Water vapor and methane are much more powerful greenhouse gases. Besides, some of the theoretical changes that would occur in a "greenhouse effect" situation are not being observed. In essence, they aren't occurring.

However, what we do know about the climate is that ocean currents are a major driving force. Even minor, short-term changes in ocean currents and temperatures produce world-wide climate effects (see "El Nino"), and these ocean current induced climate changes occur in predictable patterns. The same cannot be said of atmospheric chemistry induced climate changes. Not a single global climate model has ever been correct from one year to the next, let alone predictions for decades or centuries into the future.


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#335066 - 08/10/07 11:18 AM Re: Feeding Deer [Re: 89montero]
Team Browning
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If I believed everything I read I'd never leave the house. lol [/quote]


Now there is something we can and do agree on 89!
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#335127 - 08/10/07 12:14 PM Re: Feeding Deer [Re: Team Browning]
Darkthirty II
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I get the feeling that this will never be settled, of all my years i have hunted and been around those that baited...uh i mean supplemented feeding programs. I'm yet to see it, therefore it may be selfish, but I am not alone. If my state allows it, and there are continuously growing numbers of deer or stabilized herds, then they must know something. If I saw it as something detrimental to the herd, then I would rethink the situation, but as for right now we can simply agree to disagree.
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#335190 - 08/10/07 12:48 PM Re: Feeding Deer [Re: Darkthirty II]
TOW
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How in the world did all those deer survive without supplemental feeding and food plots for all those years prior to us helping them out?

If we never fed them or planted food plots the deer would do just fine.

Feeders and food plots to me is for one thing - attracting and holding deer on certain properties - in order to hunt them.

Nothing wrong with that persay, but lets call it what it is.
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#335217 - 08/10/07 01:03 PM Re: Feeding Deer [Re: TOW]
89montero
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 Originally Posted By: TOW
How in the world did all those deer survive without supplemental feeding and food plots for all those years prior to us helping them out?

If we never fed them or planted food plots the deer would do just fine.

Feeders and food plots to me is for one thing - attracting and holding deer on certain properties - in order to hunt them.

Nothing wrong with that persay, but lets call it what it is.






YOU DAM SKIPPY... I plant food plots and do supplemental feeding for one reason and one reason only.

So my family and I can kill more deer. Now I'm the only one who will admit this but it's true..
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#335381 - 08/10/07 02:58 PM Re: Feeding Deer [Re: 89montero]
brier rabbit
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lots of emosions here.i am not look for a fight. i am a lover my wife is the fighter, she has been in the airforce for 17 years. i have planted trees shrubs and food plots for two reasons, grow bigger deer and kill more bigger deer.
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#335432 - 08/10/07 03:22 PM Re: Feeding Deer [Re: brier rabbit]
kevin mays
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We grow our own corn. We feed. We feed corn. In a feeder and in the field. We leave 120 acres of corn standing not to mention our other plots we have. Sunflowers, millets, soy beans, peas, buckwheat. We also use troph rocks and other minerals.

Supplemental feedings have been horrible on our deer herd look at the pics below.










As you guys can see these deer are going to kick over any minute from malnutrition and disease so you shouldnt ever supplement your herd cause they might end up looking like this!!!!!!!

Now if you want to see what alot of ducks look like we got that too. Click here for the video. Its worth the wait.

http://www.arkansashuntingproperty.com/Duckvideo.html


Here is a still pic from the video



We winter 250,000 mallards on our place and last year they ate about 1,000,000 lbs of corn on our place.

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#335543 - 08/10/07 04:09 PM Re: Feeding Deer [Re: kevin mays]
brier rabbit
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i hope my deer become as sick as yours.
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