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#3327395 - 08/19/13 04:56 AM Timber Rattler
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Walked up on this rattler on Friday at the Tennessee National Refuge up by Rockport Island. 4 feet long and had 12 rattles. My wife was with me at the time. Can't repeat what she said when I pointed it out to her. \:D \:D

Very docile...I could not get him to rattle. I took a few pics and we continued on our way and left it alone





Edited by BuckWild (08/19/13 04:57 AM)
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#3327437 - 08/19/13 06:07 AM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: BuckWild]
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Awesome looking snake!
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#3327439 - 08/19/13 06:08 AM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: BuckWild]
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Pretty snake, he looks to be in good shape. I have read several articles recently on Rattlesnakes not rattleing like they used to. I caught one and re-located him the other day, he definately let me know he was not a happy camper!
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#3327450 - 08/19/13 06:14 AM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: Unicam]
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cool looking fella
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#3327483 - 08/19/13 06:44 AM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: Deer Assassin]
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Havent seen a Canebreak that big in a while.
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#3327489 - 08/19/13 06:50 AM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: UPSman]
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Very cool. \:D
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#3327494 - 08/19/13 06:52 AM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: RUGER]
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That's a nice one
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#3327530 - 08/19/13 07:16 AM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: AROD]
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What a snake.
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#3327604 - 08/19/13 08:19 AM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: plinker22]
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That's awesome, I have yet to see one in the wild
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#3327655 - 08/19/13 08:46 AM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: easy45]
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Nice one! Sad to see the trash on the ground though.
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#3327664 - 08/19/13 08:52 AM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: AndyW]
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Cool snake. Looks like he may have a drinkin' problem though. Probably why he was docile.
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#3327683 - 08/19/13 09:12 AM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: AndyW]
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Is a canebreak and a timber rattler the same snake.
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#3327689 - 08/19/13 09:15 AM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: WGK]
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 Originally Posted By: WGK
Is a canebreak and a timber rattler the same snake.


Yes, that is another name for them.

Maybe the contents of that bottle had mellowed him!
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#3327692 - 08/19/13 09:17 AM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: AndyW]
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Awesome! i almost stepped on a 3 1/2 ft black racer scouting Sunday. I can't repeat what I said either \:D but it just slithered away, so everything turned out ok.
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#3327774 - 08/19/13 10:17 AM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: AndyW]
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 Originally Posted By: AndyW
Nice one! Sad to see the trash on the ground though.


This part of the refuge is below the high water mark of Kentucky Lake and the river takes a 90 degree turn north. When the river floods, everything you can imagine washes up into this area. There are navigation bouys lying up here that broke their anchor lines. If it floats it's laying up in this area. A shame to see it but I don't think it could be cleaned up. It would take a massive undertaking to do it.
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#3327830 - 08/19/13 10:59 AM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: Bone Collector]
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 Originally Posted By: Bone Collector
Awesome! i almost stepped on a 3 1/2 ft black racer scouting Sunday. I can't repeat what I said either \:D but it just slithered away, so everything turned out ok.


I almost stepped on a 10 inch chicken snake in my garage last week and can't repeat what I said, either.

The camera would have been shaking too much for anyone to identify what was in the picture if I was that close to that rattlesnake.
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#3327839 - 08/19/13 11:11 AM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: easy45]
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 Originally Posted By: easy45
That's awesome, I have yet to see one in the wild

And hope I never do!
Beautiful snake that has my respect
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#3327841 - 08/19/13 11:12 AM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: AndyW]
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#3327858 - 08/19/13 11:29 AM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: gator-n-buck]
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Here's one I found on the road near my place a couple of years ago. I was able to measure him by laying a stick down near him to get a reference, and then measuring the stick. He was right at 5' 8", which is theoretically as big as they get.



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#3327865 - 08/19/13 11:33 AM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: BSK]
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BSK, a snake bite from that could hurt for a while!
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#3327897 - 08/19/13 12:12 PM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: Wompuscat]
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 Originally Posted By: wompuscat
BSK, a snake bite from that could hurt for a while!


Ummmm, yes!
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#3327909 - 08/19/13 12:38 PM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: wompuscat
BSK, a snake bite from that could hurt for a while!


Ummmm, yes!


There is research out there that says Timbers from different areas can have venom that is more potent than Timbers from another area. At one time not so long ago Canebrakes were actually considered a different species as well. Now they are all considered the same, just a different phase of the same snake. Timber, Canebrake and Banded Rattlesnakes are all considered the same species or now. Some have rust colored stripes down their backs some have a darker stripe and some Timbers are actually almost all black. Very diverse reptile!!


Edited by Unicam (08/19/13 12:39 PM)
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#3327928 - 08/19/13 12:51 PM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: Unicam]
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I almost got the chance to see how a cottonmouth bite feels. Thank you Rocky snake boots!
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#3327939 - 08/19/13 12:54 PM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
I almost got the chance to see how a cottonmouth bite feels. Thank you Rocky snake boots!


Same here, but it was a Timber, got the shank of my boot as I stepped over a small dip. He never ratteled until after the strike!
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#3327941 - 08/19/13 12:57 PM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: Unicam]
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 Originally Posted By: Unicam
 Originally Posted By: BSK
I almost got the chance to see how a cottonmouth bite feels. Thank you Rocky snake boots!


Same here, but it was a Timber, got the shank of my boot as I stepped over a small dip. He never ratteled until after the strike!


I didn't even know I had been struck until the second time!
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#3327951 - 08/19/13 01:05 PM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Unicam
 Originally Posted By: BSK
I almost got the chance to see how a cottonmouth bite feels. Thank you Rocky snake boots!


Same here, but it was a Timber, got the shank of my boot as I stepped over a small dip. He never ratteled until after the strike!


I didn't even know I had been struck until the second time!


Funny, I would have never known either had he not rolled down the embankment and started to rattle. Very similar.
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#3328043 - 08/19/13 02:35 PM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: Unicam]
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Pretty snake, but I hate snakes. That being said, if it's poisonous you should be allowed to kill it.
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#3328049 - 08/19/13 02:37 PM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: wompuscat
BSK, a snake bite from that could hurt for a while!


Ummmm, yes!
Hope I never find out.!
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#3328050 - 08/19/13 02:37 PM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: Wompuscat]
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 Originally Posted By: wompuscat
BSK, a snake bite from that could hurt for a while!


As Tommy Callahan III would say, "That's gonna leave a mark!"
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#3328065 - 08/19/13 02:50 PM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: de novo]
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BSK's picture is huge. Wow!

Like others, I hope to never feel the hit from a striking snake. Snakes are so pretty but I want to see them way before they see me. This fellow does some high stepping when I see them.

Edited to add: I have NEVER the name Canebrake. Hummmmm.


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#3328172 - 08/19/13 04:09 PM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: AndyW]
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Saw one in "Cades Cove" , that one had some Orange color to it. Do they change as they get bigger?
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#3328236 - 08/19/13 05:09 PM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: JeepKuntry]
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 Originally Posted By: JeepKuntry
Pretty snake, but I hate snakes. That being said, if it's poisonous you should be allowed to kill it.

Yep I agree
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#3328660 - 08/19/13 11:30 PM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: JeepKuntry]
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 Originally Posted By: JeepKuntry
Pretty snake, but I hate snakes. That being said, if it's poisonous you should be allowed to kill it.


why? if it is not in your yard or populated area and is no threat, it should be left alone. that snake belongs there.
oh, and there are no poisonous snakes. ;\)

this one is still crawling around morgan co. somewhere:
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#3328750 - 08/20/13 06:06 AM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: JeepKuntry]
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 Originally Posted By: JeepKuntry
Pretty snake, but I hate snakes. That being said, if it's poisonous you should be allowed to kill it.


That snake was in an area of the refuge that I'm willing to bet won't see 10 people a year in there. Killing it never crossed my mind. Venomous or not...if you stop and think about it, snakes are pretty defenseless creatures. They can't help it if some idiot goes bumbling around in the woods with his head up his a$$ and steps on one and gets bit. \:D \:D

First thing I told my wife when we got off the boat was to stay behind me and watch out for snakes...I was 50 feet from it when I saw it. Of course I kept walking til we were 10 feet away before I pointed it out to my wife. LoL...I thought I was going to see someone walk on the water...

Snakes are good...pay attention and leave them alone.
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#3328774 - 08/20/13 06:41 AM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: BuckWild]
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My ex-wife was bitten back in 1994 by a cottonmouth. After about 5 hours of agonizing pain, the snake finally died. LOL \:\)

Seriously though, she was bitten and it was in our front yard. She was wearing a dress and nylons. Although the fangs punctured the skin, the nylon stockings acted like a strainer and kept the poison from going into her body. It was pretty miraculous I thought... The Dr kept her under observation for about 3 hours, gave her a script for antibiotics and sent her home... As a side-note, I passed a state trooper on the way to the ER and I was going 115mph. The trooper followed us all the way to the hospital and when I pulled into the hospital, he turned off his lights. He came into the ER a few minutes later, asked a few questions and left. That was one sunday morning I'll never forget. I hate snakes.
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#3328776 - 08/20/13 06:45 AM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: Rebel]
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My ex-wife was bitten back in 1994 by a cottonmouth. After about 5 hours of agonizing pain, the snake finally died. LOL \:\)

Seriously though, she was bitten and it was in our front yard. She was wearing a dress and nylons. Although the fangs punctured the skin, the nylon stockings acted like a strainer and kept the poison from going into her body. It was pretty miraculous I thought... The Dr kept her under observation for about 3 hours, gave her a script for antibiotics and sent her home... As a side-note, I passed a state trooper on the way to the ER and I was going 115mph. The trooper followed us all the way to the hospital and when I pulled into the hospital, he turned off his lights. He came into the ER a few minutes later, asked a few questions and left. That was one sunday morning I'll never forget. I hate snakes.


many times a defensive bite is "dry". injecting no venom.
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#3328825 - 08/20/13 07:31 AM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: stik]
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A buddy and I were on a hog hunt in Cherokee National Forest a couple years back and met some fellas on the trail that were a little shaken up. It seems hiking up the trail in the dark one of them stepped over something and a Timber Rattler struck him and the fangs hung in his brush pants for a few seconds and he knocked his buddies down as he ran past them dragging the snake. Now, they said the wet spot on his pants was venom but I know what it would have been if it had been me......
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#3328900 - 08/20/13 08:33 AM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: stik]
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 Originally Posted By: stik
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My ex-wife was bitten back in 1994 by a cottonmouth. After about 5 hours of agonizing pain, the snake finally died. LOL \:\)

Seriously though, she was bitten and it was in our front yard. She was wearing a dress and nylons. Although the fangs punctured the skin, the nylon stockings acted like a strainer and kept the poison from going into her body. It was pretty miraculous I thought... The Dr kept her under observation for about 3 hours, gave her a script for antibiotics and sent her home... As a side-note, I passed a state trooper on the way to the ER and I was going 115mph. The trooper followed us all the way to the hospital and when I pulled into the hospital, he turned off his lights. He came into the ER a few minutes later, asked a few questions and left. That was one sunday morning I'll never forget. I hate snakes.


many times a defensive bite is "dry". injecting no venom.


Exactly. The nylons couldn't possibly have acted like a "strainer," as the injecting fangs were already through them and in her skin.

My brother is an ER Doc in the desert southwest. He sees rattlesnake bites almost weekly. The vast majority are "dry" bites. The snake just strikes to get you away from it.
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#3328966 - 08/20/13 09:15 AM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
My brother is an ER Doc in the desert southwest. He sees rattlesnake bites almost weekly. The vast majority are "dry" bites. The snake just strikes to get you away from it.


I asked an ER doctor in Georgia about the snake bites he had seen. He shared with me that at least 90% were alcohol related and ALL were cases of someone trying to either catch or kill the snake.

I realize this is just one ER doctor's view and nothing conclusive, but thought the alcohol statistic was very interesting.
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#3329032 - 08/20/13 10:07 AM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: AndyW]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
My brother is an ER Doc in the desert southwest. He sees rattlesnake bites almost weekly. The vast majority are "dry" bites. The snake just strikes to get you away from it.


I asked an ER doctor in Georgia about the snake bites he had seen. He shared with me that at least 90% were alcohol related and ALL were cases of someone trying to either catch or kill the snake.

I realize this is just one ER doctor's view and nothing conclusive, but thought the alcohol statistic was very interesting.


My brother said the VAST majority of bites he sees are on the hand--because the person was trying to catch the snake.
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#3329198 - 08/20/13 12:20 PM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: BSK]
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I have a belt from a 13 ft velvet tail rattler out of just south of Magnolia, Ark.(SW) and another 5-6 ft velvet tail on a hat, from the same area as well. In the spring and summer it was nothing to see one everyday in this area.

Edited by LSUtigers (08/20/13 12:21 PM)

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#3329266 - 08/20/13 01:07 PM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: stik
 Originally Posted By: Rebel
My ex-wife was bitten back in 1994 by a cottonmouth. After about 5 hours of agonizing pain, the snake finally died. LOL \:\)

Seriously though, she was bitten and it was in our front yard. She was wearing a dress and nylons. Although the fangs punctured the skin, the nylon stockings acted like a strainer and kept the poison from going into her body. It was pretty miraculous I thought... The Dr kept her under observation for about 3 hours, gave her a script for antibiotics and sent her home... As a side-note, I passed a state trooper on the way to the ER and I was going 115mph. The trooper followed us all the way to the hospital and when I pulled into the hospital, he turned off his lights. He came into the ER a few minutes later, asked a few questions and left. That was one sunday morning I'll never forget. I hate snakes.


many times a defensive bite is "dry". injecting no venom.


Exactly. The nylons couldn't possibly have acted like a "strainer," as the injecting fangs were already through them and in her skin.

My brother is an ER Doc in the desert southwest. He sees rattlesnake bites almost weekly. The vast majority are "dry" bites. The snake just strikes to get you away from it.


Maybe it was a mostly "Dry" bite. BUT, the ER doctor went back and pulled the stockings out of the trash can and there was venom on the stockings in one of the 2 places where the fangs went in. The snake actually struck her twice. The dr was the one who suggested that the venom was trapped on the outside of the stockings. The snake wasn't very big. It was about 2 to 2 and a 1/2 feet in length. Maybe the stockings kept out the venom, maybe not, just stating what the DR said.

Whether or not stockings are good protection against venom, I still ain't gonna wear 'em... Save that one for Ruger at the next vous.
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#3329342 - 08/20/13 02:06 PM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: Rebel]
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Whether or not stockings are good protection against venom, I still ain't gonna wear 'em... Save that one for Ruger at the next vous.


HA!!! Want to see that!

No, wait a minute... I DON'T want to see that!
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#3329390 - 08/20/13 02:42 PM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: Rebel]
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My ex-wife was bitten back in 1994 by a cottonmouth. After about 5 hours of agonizing pain, the snake finally died. LOL \:\)


Too funny. Your comment sure made me laugh. \:D \:D \:D

Stik, your Morgan Co. Rattler picture is incredible.
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#3330117 - 08/21/13 07:08 AM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: AndyW
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My brother is an ER Doc in the desert southwest. He sees rattlesnake bites almost weekly. The vast majority are "dry" bites. The snake just strikes to get you away from it.


I asked an ER doctor in Georgia about the snake bites he had seen. He shared with me that at least 90% were alcohol related and ALL were cases of someone trying to either catch or kill the snake.

I realize this is just one ER doctor's view and nothing conclusive, but thought the alcohol statistic was very interesting.


My brother said the VAST majority of bites he sees are on the hand--because the person was trying to catch the snake.


Interesting.We were on our way to church on a Sunday morning. The snake was stretched out across the sidewalk and she stepped on it before she saw it. It struck her twice before she could get away from it.
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#3330195 - 08/21/13 08:04 AM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: Rebel]
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My question is how do you know it is a dry bite, before it bites and maybe kills you. I can't for the life of me understand why any one thinks that something that can and will kill you is so pretty.
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#3330198 - 08/21/13 08:05 AM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: Rebel]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: AndyW
 Originally Posted By: BSK
My brother is an ER Doc in the desert southwest. He sees rattlesnake bites almost weekly. The vast majority are "dry" bites. The snake just strikes to get you away from it.


I asked an ER doctor in Georgia about the snake bites he had seen. He shared with me that at least 90% were alcohol related and ALL were cases of someone trying to either catch or kill the snake.

I realize this is just one ER doctor's view and nothing conclusive, but thought the alcohol statistic was very interesting.


My brother said the VAST majority of bites he sees are on the hand--because the person was trying to catch the snake.


Interesting.We were on our way to church on a Sunday morning. The snake was stretched out across the sidewalk and she stepped on it before she saw it. It struck her twice before she could get away from it.


When I was struck by a cottonmouth (twice) I just happened to walk next to it while it was curled up sunning itself on an earthen pond dam. I never saw it until it hit me. In fact, it took the second strike before I realized what was happening.
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#3330205 - 08/21/13 08:09 AM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: KPH]
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My question is how do you know it is a dry bite, before it bites and maybe kills you.


You don't. When a snake bite comes into the ER, they just sit the victim down and make them wait to see if the intense pain of venom sets in. That can take up to 6 hours. No severe pain, no venom, and send them home.


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I can't for the life of me understand why any one thinks that something that can and will kill you is so pretty.


Jodi Arias will kill you, but she is sort of pretty. ;\)
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#3330234 - 08/21/13 08:29 AM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: AndyW]
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Very cool pics
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#3330237 - 08/21/13 08:30 AM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK

Jodi Arias will kill you, but she is sort of pretty. ;\)


\:D
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#3330300 - 08/21/13 09:16 AM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: KPH]
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My question is how do you know it is a dry bite, before it bites and maybe kills you. I can't for the life of me understand why any one thinks that something that can and will kill you is so pretty.


more people are killed by whitetail deer in the U.S. than venomous snakes.

http://www.biggamehunt.net/forum/whitetail-deer-most-dangerous-animal-united-states
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#3330504 - 08/21/13 12:11 PM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: AndyW]
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I am not sure why we never hear of these snakes here in Loudon Co. They sure seem to be everywhere else in this state, not that I am complaining.
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#3330534 - 08/21/13 12:34 PM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: WGK]
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i heard someone talk about the "cottonmouth" they saw in watts bar lake. \:D
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#3330555 - 08/21/13 12:52 PM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: Brisco Darlin]
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i heard someone talk about the "cottonmouth" they saw in watts bar lake. \:D


Yeah, some people think every snake they see near the water is a cotton mouth and as you know there are none in east TN, but
I've seen an unusually high number of copperhead bites in the dog population this year...

I wonder if the increased rainfall is contributing to this?

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#3330753 - 08/21/13 04:10 PM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: gatodoc]
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might be. i've seen alot more snakes this year.
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#3331418 - 08/22/13 07:37 AM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: gatodoc]
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 Originally Posted By: Brisco Darlin
i heard someone talk about the "cottonmouth" they saw in watts bar lake. \:D


Yeah, some people think every snake they see near the water is a cotton mouth and as you know there are none in east T..


I think the coloration of the common water snake (and its tendency to be aggressive), fool people into thinking they're seeing cottonmouths. I've been bitten numerous times by common water snakes. Those things are mean!
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#3331462 - 08/22/13 08:08 AM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: gatodoc
 Originally Posted By: Brisco Darlin
i heard someone talk about the "cottonmouth" they saw in watts bar lake. \:D


Yeah, some people think every snake they see near the water is a cotton mouth and as you know there are none in east T..


I think the coloration of the common water snake (and its tendency to be aggressive), fool people into thinking they're seeing cottonmouths. I've been bitten numerous times by common water snakes. Those things are mean!
there were a bunch on the lake i grew up on . i caught one in a minnow trap one time. i was trying to let him loose and he was mad and kept striking at the cage.
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#3331699 - 08/22/13 10:35 AM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: gatodoc
 Originally Posted By: Brisco Darlin
i heard someone talk about the "cottonmouth" they saw in watts bar lake. \:D


Yeah, some people think every snake they see near the water is a cotton mouth and as you know there are none in east T..


I think the coloration of the common water snake (and its tendency to be aggressive), fool people into thinking they're seeing cottonmouths. I've been bitten numerous times by common water snakes. Those things are mean!


many banded water snakes have been killed as "copperheads". and they have the same attitude as their cousins.
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#3331706 - 08/22/13 10:40 AM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: Unicam]
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I almost got the chance to see how a cottonmouth bite feels. Thank you Rocky snake boots!


Same here, but it was a Timber, got the shank of my boot as I stepped over a small dip. He never ratteled until after the strike!


I didn't even know I had been struck until the second time!


Funny, I would have never known either had he not rolled down the embankment and started to rattle. Very similar.


Snake boots or not there'd have been some drawers in need of disposal for me


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#3331760 - 08/22/13 11:14 AM Re: Timber Rattler [Re: Kimber45]
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 Originally Posted By: Unicam
 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Unicam
 Originally Posted By: BSK
I almost got the chance to see how a cottonmouth bite feels. Thank you Rocky snake boots!


Same here, but it was a Timber, got the shank of my boot as I stepped over a small dip. He never ratteled until after the strike!


I didn't even know I had been struck until the second time!


Funny, I would have never known either had he not rolled down the embankment and started to rattle. Very similar.


Snake boots or not there'd have been some drawers in need of disposal for me


Oh yea. If you have not heard the rest of BSK's story of the snake bite, you need to read/hear it. First time I read it I was crying from laughter. I can still see him, 3 feet above the ground, running in thin air! \:D \:D \:D \:D
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