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#3328585 - 08/19/13 09:31 PM Re: The false argument about "defending our freedom" [Re: de novo]
Bambi Buster
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 Originally Posted By: de novo
 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
 Originally Posted By: de novo
 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck

I think we blew an opportunity to knock Islam back to the stone ages. Instead, we've shot them, then paid them, then built them houses, armed them and then shot at them again.

We don't even know who's side we are on any more



After 9/11, we (Republicans) blew an opportunity to isolate Islam, protect our country, and completely reform immigration. Just think of our country now if in 2001 the Republican President and Congress correctly framed 9/11 as an immigration and cultural problem. We should have removed all illegal immigrants and those with expired visas and secured the border. Deported and banned all immigrants from countries with radical Muslim ties. They would fight themselves to the Stone Age.




Can't argue that point at all. This country is paralyzed with political and partisan correctness.



The Republicans also blew an opportunity to teach radical Islamic jihadists a lesson they, their survivors, nor the world would not forget for many generations. Again, my signature line.


The place to start would be Saudi Arabia then not secular Iraq.


No argument from me there, but the lack of will to finish it quickly and decisively is at least as much the issue as where you start.
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#3328770 - 08/20/13 06:35 AM Re: The false argument about "defending our freedom" [Re: Bambi Buster]
fishboy1
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It is abundantly clear that most of our elected officials haven't a shred of education about military strategy.

Read Clausewitz or pretty much any other military historian regarding strategy and the
#1. way to defeat an enemy is to simply wear them out either physically on the battle field or emotionally at home. This is one of the few effective tactics for a smaller, weaker force against a superior foe.

Our politicians have endeavored at every turn to do both to ourselves.

Afghanistan should have been a carefully crafted elimination of the terrorist camps and obliteration of the taliban government.
Infiltrate SF guys to laser targets and organize opposition, then bomb the snot out of the bad guys. Have almost everybody home before the news media got their bags packed and marching orders from the left.

The US government should have issued a simple statement. "The taliban and Al-queda committed and act of war on the US. We have removed them from power in Afganistan and will do the same to anyone who tries that crap again. All our troops are home with minimal/no casualties. Good night and god bless."

Think of the confusion that would cause for the enemies of the US. Their entire military/political strategy of drawing us into a long protracted guerrilla war to bleed us of resources and National Will would be null and void. They would show up to a smoking crater and nobody to shoot at.

Lather Rinse Repeat as necessary until the enemies of the US get the message. I am betting it wouldn't take many lessons of this type to get the idea across.
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#3328889 - 08/20/13 08:23 AM Re: The false argument about "defending our freedom" [Re: fishboy1]
de novo
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 Originally Posted By: fishboy1
It is abundantly clear that most of our elected officials haven't a shred of education about military strategy.

Read Clausewitz or pretty much any other military historian regarding strategy and the
#1. way to defeat an enemy is to simply wear them out either physically on the battle field or emotionally at home. This is one of the few effective tactics for a smaller, weaker force against a superior foe.

Our politicians have endeavored at every turn to do both to ourselves.

Afghanistan should have been a carefully crafted elimination of the terrorist camps and obliteration of the taliban government.
Infiltrate SF guys to laser targets and organize opposition, then bomb the snot out of the bad guys. Have almost everybody home before the news media got their bags packed and marching orders from the left.

The US government should have issued a simple statement. "The taliban and Al-queda committed and act of war on the US. We have removed them from power in Afganistan and will do the same to anyone who tries that crap again. All our troops are home with minimal/no casualties. Good night and god bless."

Think of the confusion that would cause for the enemies of the US. Their entire military/political strategy of drawing us into a long protracted guerrilla war to bleed us of resources and National Will would be null and void. They would show up to a smoking crater and nobody to shoot at.

Lather Rinse Repeat as necessary until the enemies of the US get the message. I am betting it wouldn't take many lessons of this type to get the idea across.


The answer to basically every political, social, and international problem we face is simple, straightforward and opposed by every Democrat and nearly every Republican in Washington.
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#3334796 - 08/25/13 04:46 AM Re: The false argument about "defending our freedom" [Re: de novo]
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I agree wholeheartedly. As for the Syria thing, I cant say I would be suprised if American contractors actually used the chemical weapons. You have all of these companies and individuals used to making hundreds of millions of dollars off of the U.S government that are suddenly cut off from their contracts because Iraq is over and Afghanistan is winding down. All they would have to do to get more contracts is do something that would get the U.S involved in another war, cross that "red line". Hire some ragheads to do it, whatever you need to do, spend a $100,000 to profit millions later. Think about it.
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#3335453 - 08/25/13 06:04 PM Re: The false argument about "defending our freedom" [Re: smstone22]
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In before Bambi Buster points at your head and calls you "Tinfoil".... \:D

I wouldn't be surprised either.

The Military Industrial Complex must go on, after all........
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#3336334 - 08/26/13 10:11 AM Re: The false argument about "defending our freedom" [Re: sgtwebb1]
smstone22
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Its just with my experiences of escorting empty trucks around for KBR, so KBR could get paid, while we were risking our butts. No telling how many U.S soldiers have been killed in order to fulfill a contract. Then another American contractor that goes to Uganda, pays some skinnies a few bucks to come to a war zone, sit at the chow hall and point a loaded AK-47 at you every time your alittle slow getting your ID out. And the military allows it, actually encourages it, because the top brass will work for contractors after they retire. These contractors will stop at nothing, I mean nothing. I just hope that the investigators will consider every option before they decide to start picking sides in this Syrian conflict.
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#3336971 - 08/26/13 06:29 PM Re: The false argument about "defending our freedom" [Re: sgtwebb1]
Bambi Buster
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 Originally Posted By: sgtwebb1
In before Bambi Buster points at your head and calls you "Tinfoil".... \:D

I wouldn't be surprised either.

The Military Industrial Complex must go on, after all........


Bambi Buster is a bit more discerning than that. The scenario of contractors creating a Tonkin Gulf Incident of their own in Syria, while I believe unlikely, is not entirely implausible. SGT Stone's experience with the nature of the military-industrial complex is not something he imagined or mindlessly speculated about (or read on the internet). One does not have to agree with someone 100% to recognize their credibility. There is also the fact that I have parallel experiences from a different place and time.


Non-existent FEMA railroad prison cars, videos of non-existent congressional votes and tales of Russian DHS agents being turned away at the Kentucky border, as have all been posted on this forum, are the stuff of aluminum foil helmets.
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#3337032 - 08/26/13 07:14 PM Re: The false argument about "defending our freedom" [Re: Bambi Buster]
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All I have read is the very first post when this thread started,and realized I made a good decision not buying the Backwoods whatever magazine off a news stand the other day
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I can't understand for the life of me how a muslim lopping my head off, for whatever reason, would not be a loss of my freedom.
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#3337128 - 08/26/13 08:17 PM Re: The false argument about "defending our freedom" [Re: recurve60#]
Bambi Buster
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 Originally Posted By: recurve60#
All I have read is the very first post when this thread started,and realized I made a good decision not buying the Backwoods whatever magazine off a news stand the other day
.

I can't understand for the life of me how a muslim lopping my head off, for whatever reason, would not be a loss of my freedom.



I strongly concur.

Speaking of tinfoil helmets, John Silveira, the author of the Backwoods whatever article, must have used an entire roll to make his. Though he is not wrapped very tight, his helmet must be. That could be what's cutting off the circulation to his brain.
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#3337197 - 08/26/13 08:56 PM Re: The false argument about "defending our freedom" [Re: Bambi Buster]
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I can't believe you actually know the man's name. \:D
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