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#3325759 - 08/17/13 02:32 PM The false argument about "defending our freedom"
sgtwebb1
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Not ONE soldier is dying "for our freedom" in Iraq/Afghanistan

A short article that pretty much sums up who the REAL enemies of the American People are, and the lies we've been/are being told.

And like the author, I'm certainly not denigrating the service members themselves, I have nothing but respect and admiration for them.

Their leaders and puppetmasters, however.......
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#3325841 - 08/17/13 04:30 PM Re: The false argument about "defending our freedom" [Re: sgtwebb1]
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I've been saying that since 2001. The premise that we have to fight them over there so we won't have to fight them over here is insanity. But since a Republican started the wars, some "conservatives" will argue with everything they have that we HAVE to be over there.

Irony is they use the same argument to try to justify another war with Iran and/ or Syria and some people still buy it.
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#3325858 - 08/17/13 04:56 PM Re: The false argument about "defending our freedom" [Re: de novo]
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Big $$$$ to be made in war...that's all.
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#3325891 - 08/17/13 05:48 PM Re: The false argument about "defending our freedom" [Re: Big Ben]
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"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together."~ Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1961
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#3327034 - 08/18/13 07:24 PM Re: The false argument about "defending our freedom" [Re: JC5810]
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The gravest threat to our liberty (what little is left), has been from within the States. Alas, the war is about over.... and we have lost.

I don't know what government(s) will follow. But, I suspect it will be a police state with a false democracy. We shall make the Soviet Union proud.
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#3327533 - 08/19/13 07:23 AM Re: The false argument about "defending our freedom" [Re: Still-n-Quiet]
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The problem is not that we went to war. The problem is that this country is so paralyzed by partisan politics that we can't even effectively wage war any more.

Both of them wars should have been over in 6 months or less. Our boys would have been home in time for Christmas. But the left used the wars as a way to attack a sitting President. They ran false reason's for going to war and then attacked the President for them while ignoring their own votes for going to war. They propagandized information gathering, water boarding and gave terrorist protections of the Geneva convention while exempting them from it's rules of warfare. They prosecuted our military for slapping POW's and they counted the dead every night on the news. They used the wars to wage a war at home.

These war have been going on for a decade. They have shown the world that the largest and most capable military this world has ever known has been neutralized with bureaucracy and political correctness.

That does not mean the war were unnecessary. It just means that this country is more effective at waging war on itself than it is in defending it from foreign forces.

The author presents his argument as though foreign conflicts and domestic agenda are mutually exclusive. They are not. But the same vile forces that have hamstrung our military and extended these wars 20X over are the same forces that seek to enslave our people and destroy our liberty and Constitution.

"Liberalism and the progressive movement"

Say it, Mr. Silveira. Naming your enemy is only the first step to defeating him.
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#3327605 - 08/19/13 08:20 AM Re: The false argument about "defending our freedom" [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
They used the wars to wage a war at home.

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"Liberalism and the progressive movement"

Say it, Mr. Silveira. Naming your enemy is only the first step to defeating him.



From Wilson to Obama, the left has been waging a long war that even the Chinese would be proud of.
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#3327782 - 08/19/13 10:24 AM Re: The false argument about "defending our freedom" [Re: Still-n-Quiet]
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Both wars weakened our military and our nation while using the wars as an excuse to attack our liberty here at home. Afghanistan should have been a bombing campaign. Iraq was totally unnecessary. Neither of which required an armed occupation. It was George W. giving speeches about "building a Middle Eastern democracy", "Mission accomplished", and "Islam is not our enemy - it is a peaceful religion" not the Left.

We can't blame the Left for two wars started by a Republican administration and a Republican controlled Congress. Both parties love the military-industrial complex.
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#3327873 - 08/19/13 11:41 AM Re: The false argument about "defending our freedom" [Re: de novo]
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That's a bit of revisionist history but OK. you're right. We can't blame the left for starting the wars but we can and SHOULD blame them for not letting us WIN them.

I'm not trying to defend Bush in any way and I'm not going to get into 10 year old arguments about justification for the Iraq war. It's seems to me that history has a way of changing to fit the agenda of today.

Sure the industrial military complex has hand in these perpetual wars. But we could have gone in, done what needed to be done and been back out. That is my point.

Looking at poorly, even disastrous managed campaign and using it's poor execution as a basis to claim the wars we not necessary is short sighting IMO.

Had we gone in, got the job done and got back out it would have been dipterous for the left's ongoing "blame Bush" campaign. It would have been a win for a strong America. Dragging the wars our for decades, weakening America's resolve and tolerance for war and dividing the country down the middle is no accident.

They are also why Obama has continued these wars for 6 years longer than he promised to.
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#3327899 - 08/19/13 12:16 PM Re: The false argument about "defending our freedom" [Re: Crappie Luck]
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Specifically, what part of the post is revisionist?
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