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#3324771 - 08/16/13 09:54 AM Car Repair Question
Nimrod777
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Engine light came on, and I realized the engine showed hot, which was weird since I had a new radiator and thermostat put in last March. When it cooled down, found it was several quarts low on water. Filled her up.

Since then I have determined:
1) no water shows up on the ground where I park.
2) it loses almost a gallon in the course of a little daily driving
3) looks like some blowback is on the engine behind the radiator
4) I don't see any active leaks when I crawl under the engine even when it's hot

So does this sound like the water pump has gone bad? Strangely, I don't know that I've ever had to have one replaced despite all my years of car ownership.
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#3324776 - 08/16/13 10:04 AM Re: Car Repair Question [Re: Nimrod777]
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You checked your oil?
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#3324778 - 08/16/13 10:07 AM Re: Car Repair Question [Re: TennesseeRains]
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If the oil dipstick shows milky or frothy oil, you may have a blown head gasket. Same for if you check the radiator and see oil in the radiator fluid. You also may have a head gasket blown where it is leaking coolant out the tail pipe.

Is your radiator overflow tank empty or full?
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#3324791 - 08/16/13 10:25 AM Re: Car Repair Question [Re: -DRM-]
Nimrod777
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No evidence of anything at the tailpipe. Just some greasy residue on the engine behind the radiator. Did I use "blowback" incorrectly?
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#3324804 - 08/16/13 10:38 AM Re: Car Repair Question [Re: Nimrod777]
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Water is going somewhere, Fire it up and let it run/idle a bit and see if it comes out of the overflow tube.

Basically, water is evaporating (bad radiator cap possibly), entering the oil, overflowing, or exiting the tail pipe.

You can also buy a UV dye kit at the auto parts store to add to the fluid then use a blacklight to check where it's going.
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#3324805 - 08/16/13 10:38 AM Re: Car Repair Question [Re: Nimrod777]
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For sure check your oil..the color/consistency.
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#3324808 - 08/16/13 10:42 AM Re: Car Repair Question [Re: eightpointer]
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Intake manifold gasket.
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#3324828 - 08/16/13 11:06 AM Re: Car Repair Question [Re: Nimrod777]
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 Originally Posted By: Nimrod777
Engine light came on, and I realized the engine showed hot, which was weird since I had a new radiator and thermostat put in last March. When it cooled down, found it was several quarts low on water. Filled her up.

Since then I have determined:
1) no water shows up on the ground where I park.
2) it loses almost a gallon in the course of a little daily driving
3) looks like some blowback is on the engine behind the radiator
4) I don't see any active leaks when I crawl under the engine even when it's hot

So does this sound like the water pump has gone bad? Strangely, I don't know that I've ever had to have one replaced despite all my years of car ownership.


Water pumps typically gush after the engine stops turning.
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#3324865 - 08/16/13 11:55 AM Re: Car Repair Question [Re: TAFKAP]
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Sounds like a dreaded head gasket. Take the cap off the radiator and start it up(cold). Put your hand over the radiator (where the cap goes) and see if it is pulsing (you can feel air blowing out of it). Sometimes it has to heat up to start pulsing. If so... head gasket, if not, maybe still head gasket. If it heats up be careful putting your hand there.. it will be hot steam.
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#3324872 - 08/16/13 12:04 PM Re: Car Repair Question [Re: Urban_Hunter]
Nimrod777
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DADGUMMIT!! It IS the head gasket, apparently.

Pulled the dipstick and its halfway up the stick! Guess I know where all the water is going. Dangdangdang!

I've never had to deal with head gasket issues. I need to find someone to do the work now.

This is gonna hurt, ain't it?
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#3324874 - 08/16/13 12:06 PM Re: Car Repair Question [Re: Nimrod777]
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Yep.

Was afraid of that...and yep - it gonna hurt.
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#3324877 - 08/16/13 12:09 PM Re: Car Repair Question [Re: TennesseeRains]
-DRM-
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What vehicle and engine?
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#3324881 - 08/16/13 12:12 PM Re: Car Repair Question [Re: -DRM-]
catman529
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Is that the 22re?
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#3324883 - 08/16/13 12:14 PM Re: Car Repair Question [Re: catman529]
Nimrod777
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Yeah, the 22RE.

And with watered oil, I need to park this thing ASAP, right??
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#3324890 - 08/16/13 12:19 PM Re: Car Repair Question [Re: Nimrod777]
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Nimrod - do I know you? send me a message with your # and I don't mind stopping by in the next few days to see what you've got going on since you're in Spring Hill.

HG repair on a 22re is NOT that bad, but yes - I'd suggest you park it asap. I think I may even have a HG for a 22re hanging in the shop... actually, I am 99% sure I do.

It's not rocket surgery to replace one \:\)
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#3324892 - 08/16/13 12:20 PM Re: Car Repair Question [Re: Urban_Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Urban_Hunter
Sounds like a dreaded head gasket. Take the cap off the radiator and start it up(cold). Put your hand over the radiator (where the cap goes) and see if it is pulsing (you can feel air blowing out of it). Sometimes it has to heat up to start pulsing. If so... head gasket, if not, maybe still head gasket. If it heats up be careful putting your hand there.. it will be hot steam.


Put your hand on the radiator. It may or may not be the head gasket. go to ER to treat burn and see if they know why you're losing fluid \:D
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#3324904 - 08/16/13 12:27 PM Re: Car Repair Question [Re: -DRM-]
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Glad to have any help on this, DRM, especially from a TNDeer brother!
I am volunteering at the middle school today, handing out textbooks, so I'm in town. Will shoot you a PM now!
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#3324905 - 08/16/13 12:28 PM Re: Car Repair Question [Re: Nimrod777]
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I ran an old Isuzu truck for three years after an overheat event resulting in a known head gasket failure by using radiator stop leak pellets. She ran like a champ until one Christmas holiday I pulled the head and had it machined, threw in a new gasket, and ran her another 50K miles before I traded it.
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#3324911 - 08/16/13 12:31 PM Re: Car Repair Question [Re: -DRM-]
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 Originally Posted By: -DRM-


It's not rocket surgery to replace one \:\)


No you just need 3 hands, small one's too. Get the head checked for cracks and milled flat too.
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#3324940 - 08/16/13 01:09 PM Re: Car Repair Question [Re: TAFKAP]
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 Originally Posted By: TAFKAP

Put your hand on the radiator. It may or may not be the head gasket. go to ER to treat burn and see if they know why you're losing fluid \:D


Best method assuming You have already checked the oil, I threw the disclaimer in there for good measure.

If you do it yourself PLEASE note this!!!!

There is an allen head screw about 6" long that holds the intake manifold(plenum) to the head. It is right behind the thermostat housing. Very hard to see/find and even more difficult to get to. Best to use an allen socket with a wobble adapter. I have had to take this job on many times from DIY'ers that beat the hell out of the plenum because this screw is not mentioned in the Chilton.
Also... please... if on any engine you ever work on you consider not getting the head machined... DO NOT consider it for this one. It is warped. Simply removing it will warp it. Get it machined or you will be right back in there in under 10k, I guarantee it.
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#3324943 - 08/16/13 01:12 PM Re: Car Repair Question [Re: Urban_Hunter]
Nimrod777
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Urban_Hunter, don't worry: I will NOT be doing this myself. Heck, I had to get assistance to read your post. Sadly, I am Mechanically Challenged. But as soon as I figure out what you wrote, I will keep it in mind!
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#3324949 - 08/16/13 01:16 PM Re: Car Repair Question [Re: Urban_Hunter]
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ALSO!!! Do yourself a favor and draw a template of the timing cover out of cardboard. As you remove the bolts, plug them through cardboard so you can keep up with which ones go in which hole... nearly every one is a different length, but all the same size. If you pull them all out you will never get the right one back in the right hole. (This is assuming you pull the timing cover, which I strongly recommend so you can replace the tensioner and guides, the notorious 22re killer) I just keep remembering... also, clean the head bolt holes and bolts before reinstallation. If you have a set of thread restorers, use them. If not then buy an extra head bolt and make one yourself (don't use a tap). The ones around cylinder 2 like to fill with nasty oil and WILL affect your torque readings, and can also hyro-block your bolt making it feel bottomed out.
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#3324951 - 08/16/13 01:19 PM Re: Car Repair Question [Re: Nimrod777]
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 Originally Posted By: Nimrod777
Glad to have any help on this, DRM, especially from a TNDeer brother!
I am volunteering at the middle school today, handing out textbooks, so I'm in town. Will shoot you a PM now!


I have known about DRM from another site.... he knows his stuff due to off-roading and such.... Hope you get it fixed soon... It is a time needed project since you have to breakdown the items associated with changing the head gasket.... but it isn't that bad... just take it step by step if you do it yourself and remember how everything came apart so you can put it back together.
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#3324953 - 08/16/13 01:20 PM Re: Car Repair Question [Re: Nimrod777]
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 Originally Posted By: Nimrod777
Urban_Hunter, don't worry: I will NOT be doing this myself. Heck, I had to get assistance to read your post. Sadly, I am Mechanically Challenged. But as soon as I figure out what you wrote, I will keep it in mind!


Sorry I must have been typing while you were. Let me know if you need help with anything. I don't mind at all, I am pretty familiar with this engine. I could do the repair, but I am currently backed up.. and it would be a long tow from spring hill to hendersonville. But if you have any questions, don't hesitate. ;\)
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#3325016 - 08/16/13 02:17 PM Re: Car Repair Question [Re: Urban_Hunter]
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How many miles on the yota? Its not a hard job but i couldn't Fathom the sun drop tax in this one! Lol if ya need any help let me know
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#3325097 - 08/16/13 04:33 PM Re: Car Repair Question [Re: ImThere]
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Ha! Thanks again for the input. Well, at least the GOOD input! :P

I met with DRM, who indeed is one cool dude! He gave knowledgeable confirmation that I'm looking at a bad head gasket, but he helped me know what to say on the phone when checking with a few mechanics, and I also got two good recommendations on local guys who will do a good job without taking advantage.

But beyond all that, I just enjoyed meeting another local TNDeer guy in person.
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#3325107 - 08/16/13 04:38 PM Re: Car Repair Question [Re: Nimrod777]
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 Originally Posted By: Nimrod777
But beyond all that, I just enjoyed meeting another local TNDeer guy in person.


At least you didn't have to travel to South Dakota to meet someone from TNDeer.

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#3327985 - 08/19/13 01:53 PM Re: Car Repair Question [Re: Nimrod777]
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 Originally Posted By: Nimrod777
I met with DRM, who indeed is one cool dude!


Please don't go around telling people this information - it will ruin my image :p

Nice meeting you too, hope you get your truck straightened out soon.
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#3327990 - 08/19/13 02:00 PM Re: Car Repair Question [Re: -DRM-]
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You sure have your fair share of vehicle woes...and then some!! Hope you get her fixed at a reasonable fee and good quality!
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#3327996 - 08/19/13 02:02 PM Re: Car Repair Question [Re: Nimrod777]
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What kind of car?
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#3328016 - 08/19/13 02:19 PM Re: Car Repair Question [Re: 7mm08]
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check the head as well - make it's not warped before you change the gasket -

sorry to hear Keith -
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#3328485 - 08/19/13 08:33 PM Re: Car Repair Question [Re: ferg]
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I'm driving my '94 Toyota Pickup, which I've had since '97 when I bought it with 15k miles on it for $4200. Understand that it was a repo, had been wrecked, had a barely-matched fender/hood on it, the stereo had been torn out, no A/C, no power steering, vinyl bench and floor. It was about as base as you could get.

Now it has 140k miles, and I added A/C years ago.

Gonna have the head gasket replaced, the heads checked/milled. Also gonna have the timing belt replaced since it's way overdue. Even gonna put a new water pump on while he's in there, pre-emptively. Time will tell what shape the head is in, or if there is any other noticeable damage due to running with watery oil. But it's in the hands of a good Toyota mechanic that DRM knows, so I'm feeling good about the work.
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#3328487 - 08/19/13 08:36 PM Re: Car Repair Question [Re: Unicam]
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You sure have your fair share of vehicle woes...and then some!!


Yeah, I've had a bit. But then I'm managing four vehicles for the family, and they are a '94, '95, '98 and '01. Also a back-up minivan that we've had since '95 that we run occasionally for youth group trips. They're all paid for, all run most of the time, and all fairly dependable. So the maintenance is my dues for not having a bunch of car payments. \:\)
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#3328499 - 08/19/13 08:42 PM Re: Car Repair Question [Re: Nimrod777]
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actually the 22r motor has a timing chain and not a belt

i have seen them last over 300000 miles

however if i was having to pull the head I would change it and the guides just because
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#3328523 - 08/19/13 08:54 PM Re: Car Repair Question [Re: Deer Assassin]
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 Originally Posted By: Deer Assassin
actually the 22r motor has a timing chain and not a belt

i have seen them last over 300000 miles

however if i was having to pull the head I would change it and the guides just because

Sorry for the mislabel, but see why I send it off to a pro??
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#3329795 - 08/20/13 08:53 PM Re: Car Repair Question [Re: Nimrod777]
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I bet a dollar to a donut its not the headgasket! 22re is bad about the timing chain guides wearing, and when they go the chain then rubs on the timing cover. This cover has coolant passages and it rubs a hole directly to the coolant passage. Check your timing cover for chain rubbing before pulling the head. If it has rubbed inspect it very closely and I'll bet you find the problem.
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#3330212 - 08/21/13 08:13 AM Re: Car Repair Question [Re: 2shot]
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 Originally Posted By: 2shot
I bet a dollar to a donut its not the headgasket! 22re is bad about the timing chain guides wearing, and when they go the chain then rubs on the timing cover. This cover has coolant passages and it rubs a hole directly to the coolant passage. Check your timing cover for chain rubbing before pulling the head. If it has rubbed inspect it very closely and I'll bet you find the problem.


Good info there^^^^^^^ Mine was so thin from the chain rubbing that I easily pushed a screw driver through the cover. it wasn't leaking yet but it wouldn't have been long. My head gasket was blown and would put compression into the radiator.
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#3330251 - 08/21/13 08:39 AM Re: Car Repair Question [Re: fredfred]
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A timing chain on a 22re with a broken guide will slap when you let off the throttle, and I didn't hear that when he started it up and was leaving the house.

Not ruling it out, but it's a pretty obvious sound.
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#3330663 - 08/21/13 02:53 PM Re: Car Repair Question [Re: -DRM-]
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Still waiting for any updates. So far it's been quiet, hopefully because he's been busy fixing problems that weren't as extensive as first feared! ;\)
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#3334854 - 08/25/13 07:31 AM Re: Car Repair Question [Re: Nimrod777]
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Well what was it?
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#3334863 - 08/25/13 07:42 AM Re: Car Repair Question [Re: fredfred]
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Head gasket shot at cylinder #1, but the timing chain had worn the guides and was wearing the cover thin. Got about half a dozen other minor fixes on the menu while she's in. Should come out with a MUCH happier truck, hopefully by midweek.
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#3334977 - 08/25/13 09:46 AM Re: Car Repair Question [Re: Nimrod777]
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Sounds about right. Hopefully you can get out with a small bill
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