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#3321268 - 08/13/13 09:23 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: 348Winchester]
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 Originally Posted By: 348Winchester

Think back to what Washington said when he warned about political parties.


Yeah but you got to admit it's hard to take a guy serious that wore his hair like that.
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#3321290 - 08/13/13 09:43 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Tennessee Todd]
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I share many of your thoughts and concerns but I don't think the country and it's people are THAT far gone.

I naively still believe that they didn't vote for this or what "is", they voted for what they were promised or what "could have been".

I think that a vast majority of those "On the take" are not socialist minded but they are using the socialist programs or enjoying the conveniences of this most "generous" government. They are capable of reverting back to the way of life where we provided for ourselves without the gifts and protection of the government.

There are those who know no other way than the handouts and dependency. They'll be a force to reckon with.

Ignorance is easily remedied with those willing to learn. The rest are the problem.

Things will swing back our way. The question is will it swing back in time and how are we going to address the matter of debt and consequences of this decade of heathen indulgence and irresponsibility.

There is a price to be paid for all of this. This kind of decadence is not free and without reckoning.
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#3321324 - 08/13/13 10:17 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
I share many of your thoughts and concerns but I don't think the country and it's people are THAT far gone.




Dude. Seriously. I'll ask you the same thing I asked Wes. Just for a second, think about how bad Obama was his first term? Think of the damage that he and his government inflicted on this nation in such a short span. It's mind boggling. You don't even have to be educated to have felt the effects of what his administration was doing. Then, realize he won again in a landslide. And yet, you still think there's hope in our people?

Again, I appreciate the optimism that some of you have, and I hope your right, but I don't ever see us going back to what our founding fathers instilled in this nation. We are just too lazy and dependent on government, and that's exactly what Obama's plan was and it has been perfectly executed.
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#3321336 - 08/13/13 10:33 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Tennessee Todd]
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Yes. Lazy and apathetic.

It's not hard to find examples of both every day. But they are lazy and apathetic out of the luxury to do so. Skating on the labors of past generations and the pillaging of the labors of the next.

But how long can that last? that Luxury, or more accurately, the irresponsibility of laziness and ignorance is very temporary and expensive. Expensive in terms of dollars and well as liberty.

When the bill comes due, who is going to roll over and accept the chains of slavery and who is going to rise up and cast off the Government attempting to enslave them?

THAT is where my optimism lies. In our ability as a majority to rebuild from the ashes, not in the ability of these cretins to recognize the errors of their ways in time to stop it. Most will be able to live off of less and on their own when they are finally forced to do so, but not a minute before that.

But I don't think the majority are going to roll over and accept the inevitable enslavement that comes at the end of this 4 course meal and drink they are currently indulging in.
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#3321337 - 08/13/13 10:34 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Tennessee Todd]
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I will say this too, that I firmly believe that O won this time around(most likely to some degree last time too) as a result of voter fraud. The precincts up in NE where he got 100% of the vote, and that being a statistical impossibility for this to happen, point toward this conclusion. How are we to overcome this kind of tyrannical undertaking when a juggernaut of this magnitude can manipulate and change results on a whim for their favor?
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#3321343 - 08/13/13 10:39 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: MUP]
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1 of every 5 votes in Ohio was found to be fraudulent.

20%!!!!!
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#3321380 - 08/13/13 11:20 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Crappie Luck]
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Agree with MUP and CL.

Voter fraud won O this election.

They took a page out of Harry Reids book to take back Nevada several years back.

Tell me how your opponent can be up in every major poll by at least 2 points the day before the election and that person ends up losing?
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#3321391 - 08/13/13 11:29 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Crappie Luck]
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I too agree with Crappie.

Its easy to be apathetic and go along when its not hurting you, or not much.

But when the bill comes due, and it WILL come due, the people will be MAD !

A perfect example is the Occupy movement. Yes, there are the Occutards who are moronic socialists and doped up sociopaths. BuT there were also a LOT Of young college age kids who understand that they are getting screwed. They are pissssed that they bought into the promise, spent years of their life and Tens of thousands of borrowed dollars on a degree and a promise only to see that the economy is in the tank and the social conformity they were banking on was an empty promise.

The progressives are cranking out the propaganda but it is hollow and the college kids know it. IF and its a big IF, we could reach those kids with a different message they probably have NEVER been exposed to.... A message of freedom, liberty, and opportunity.... via self reliance and small government, a wave of change would happen. The good kind of change.

That is one of my biggest gripes with the Republican party. They are more concerned with maintaining their status and privilege than they are with making the country great again.
But to make the COUNTRY great, they would have to give up their power and become SMALLER (at least in their minds).
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#3321444 - 08/13/13 12:27 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: fishboy1]
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The intriguing part of all of this is how fragile the Illusion of power and this of cards this Big government has built really is.

This whole system of taxes, power and intimidation only works because "WE" allow it. All the spending, borrowing and socialism is based on the premise that you go to work and pay the government a "FEE" for the privilege of collecting a wage for your time, talents and experience.

Businesses pay this "Fee" for the privilege of conducting capitalism and trade within the boundaries of this illusion of a bubble the govt. has created.

We get up every day and go do our duty to provide for our families and allow this govt. who is dependent upon YOU to dictate what YOU are allowed to do because that is all we've ever known.

What if those producing eventually have had ENOUGH and simply stop. Stop allowing automatic deductions of your paycheck and start paying in cash or some alternative currency. What if every businesses in the USA suddenly stopped filing quarterly earnings and mailing checks to the govt. What if we just STOPPED following the expected routine of economic energy production, turned towards Washington and flipped them the bird?

There is nothing they could do about it. NOTHING. We continue to be lead only because, for now, it's more convenient than taking up the slack on our invisible leashes.

The government, the IRS and the President are the frame, our laws and customs are the glass, .
We are the dog. - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVmN4GL4o5M
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#3321471 - 08/13/13 12:43 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Crappie Luck]
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I'll ask this simple question.

"What authority does the looters of our society have to demand that you continue to fund their lifestyle of indulgence and poor choices?"

At what point does this question enter the minds of the majority pulling the wagon? When it does, the yolk comes off and fists go up.

It's really that simple.

These vagrants, morons and leaches that disgust us and piss us off are symbols of a dying society but they have NO POWER. They exist at the tips of our fingers and can be flicked off like snot.
I don't fear them and I don't fear those they elect to represent them. They are housed and fed entirely on our generosity. When we, as a society, are tired of it, they'll be brushed aside and be done with.

What I'm more concerned about is how much more the good people of this country are willing to tolerate before they reach that point.
How much more of our children's future are we willing to leverage for the comfort and convenience of these ungrateful, entitled thieves of labor and initiative?



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