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#3311169 - 08/03/13 11:48 PM Why Hillary will win in 2016
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I don't like it, in fact I loathe it, but barring an unforeseeable radical event, far more devastating than 9/11/2001, it's inevitable that if she runs, she'll win in a landslide. The article at the link lays out the reasons.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...medium=facebook
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#3311189 - 08/04/13 01:10 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Bambi Buster]
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Hate to have to agree but I believe she will win as well.
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#3311207 - 08/04/13 06:19 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: hunter0925]
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I agree, I've been thinking the same ever since she was before the House hearings.
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#3311256 - 08/04/13 08:00 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wildcat]
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I disagree.
She MAY win the democrat nomination, but even that is doubtful.

A lot will CHANGE during the next 3 years, including the rise of new stars who will be more appealing (which is exactly why Obama beat her out in 2008, which WAS her only real opportunity).

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#3311390 - 08/04/13 10:41 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wes Parrish]
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If the electorate nominates another RINO, she wins.

If we do not put forth a conservative, then we haven't learning anything yet and we don't deserve a win anyway.

If America allows HIllary to skate on Benghazi, then we deserve everything we get.
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#3311401 - 08/04/13 10:50 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Bambi Buster]
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 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
...........but barring an unforeseeable radical event, far more devastating than 9/11/2001........


It would seem we may be on the eve of just such an event.

Have you been following the terrorism alerts these past few days. If so, do you think this is one of them "Wag the dog" scenarios?

Given the heat and attention of domestic surveillance, could it be this administration need a "Win" to prove their case - A crisis created to justify the surveillance of citizens's e-mail, phone records, internet searches etc.

Am I just a paranoid, RWNJ?
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#3311474 - 08/04/13 12:14 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Crappie Luck]
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Elitist Pubs will put up a week-kneed Rino like McCain or Romney.
All the while keeping true conservatives at arms length.

Hag for the win imo......unless Pubs get their scat together.
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#3311516 - 08/04/13 01:17 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: preds1]
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If she does, it will be born of pure ignorance from the voters, and pure evil allowing her to even be considered as eligible to run in the first place.
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#3311529 - 08/04/13 01:29 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: MUP]
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 Originally Posted By: MUP
If she does, it will be born of pure ignorance from the voters, and pure evil allowing her to even be considered as eligible to run in the first place.


Yep, exactly like 2008 and 2012.
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#3311544 - 08/04/13 02:02 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: sgtwebb1]
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 Originally Posted By: sgtwebb1
 Originally Posted By: MUP
If she does, it will be born of pure ignorance from the voters, and pure evil allowing her to even be considered as eligible to run in the first place.


Yep, exactly like 2008 and 2012.


Yep, for sure.
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#3311551 - 08/04/13 02:09 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: preds1]
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 Originally Posted By: preds1
 Originally Posted By: sgtwebb1
 Originally Posted By: MUP
If she does, it will be born of pure ignorance from the voters, and pure evil allowing her to even be considered as eligible to run in the first place.


Yep, exactly like 2008 and 2012.


Yep, for sure.


^^^^
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#3311558 - 08/04/13 02:15 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
If the electorate nominates another RINO, she wins.

If we do not put forth a conservative, then we haven't learning anything yet and we don't deserve a win anyway.

If America allows HIllary to skate on Benghazi, then we deserve everything we get.


There aren't any who are electable, which is the root cause of the problem. It all goes back to universal suffrage, the Achilles' heel of representative government. The takers now outnumber the makers, and they can and do vote.
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#3311578 - 08/04/13 02:47 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Bambi Buster]
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I still don't believe the takers outnumber the makers. Specifically in terms of voting.

But this is only true when the conservatives or makers VOTE. The last two Presidential elections a large number of them sat out because they refused to vote for the lesser of two evils. But they proved they are out there in 2010.

I do concede the Unelectable part. Most because we eat our own and attack our best chances over media created "scandals" and hyped skeletons in the closet.

We'll never have another conservative as long we we continue to allow the media and establishment republicans chose our candidates for us.

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#3311731 - 08/04/13 06:08 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Bambi Buster]
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 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: preds1
 Originally Posted By: sgtwebb1
 Originally Posted By: MUP
If she does, it will be born of pure ignorance from the voters, and pure evil allowing her to even be considered as eligible to run in the first place.


Yep, exactly like 2008 and 2012.


Yep, for sure.


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#3311743 - 08/04/13 06:18 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: preds1]
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Certain conservatives will do the very same thing they did in the last two elections, they will STAY HOME AND NOT VOTE in enough numbers in key states allowing Hillary to win easy.

If a second term of Obama didn't bring them out there is no way in all heck they will worry about Hillary getting in the White House.

They will say it didn't mater because Obama did NOT win in their state. The problem is they spread that same view to conservatives in states that does mater causing them to STAY HOME.
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#3311761 - 08/04/13 06:43 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
I still don't believe the takers outnumber the makers. Specifically in terms of voting.

But this is only true when the conservatives or makers VOTE. The last two Presidential elections a large number of them sat out because they refused to vote for the lesser of two evils. But they proved they are out there in 2010.

I do concede the Unelectable part. Most because we eat our own and attack our best chances over media created "scandals" and hyped skeletons in the closet.

We'll never have another conservative as long we we continue to allow the media and establishment republicans chose our candidates for us.



Look at the last 4 primaries over the last 16 years. The ones that put their hat in the ring was attacked 24/7/365 by everybody that did not agree with them and I'm not talking about the democrats but other "Republicans".

The last 4 saw more attacks by Republicans against other Republicans than I have seen in my adult lifetime.

Look at Ron Paul's supporters. Ever when it was mathematically impossible for him to win they kept on attacking Romney ever after all the primaries was over the well into the General Election against Obama.

The Democrats just set back and watched it all unfold then went on their own attacks winning the election.

If you think the media was in love with Obama think about how they are with Hillary.
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#3311769 - 08/04/13 06:51 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wildcat]
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If you think there is a chance a conservative ever wins another presidential race, I've got some property along Pennsylvania Avenue I'll sell you on the cheap. There are nearly as many non-whites as whites, nearly as many people on the take from the government as paying taxes, a grossly undereducated population and a large liberal media working against it. That, my friends, is how you win the White House these days. If Hildebeast had been Condoleezza Rice under W, does anyone think for a second she'd ever have her name uttered for another political post or as a candidate for anything?

Y'all need to sit back and enjoy what we have left to enjoy. It's getting chipped away as we speak and there aren't enough of us to stop it. I'll be the first to admit I'm wrong on this and I really hope that I am for the sake of our kids and their kids.

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#3311856 - 08/04/13 08:07 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Hangnail]
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Our only hope is she falls ill in the next 3 years. Not wishing, just saying.
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#3311889 - 08/04/13 08:27 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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 Originally Posted By: Pic IN the Casa
Our only hope is she falls ill in the next 3 years. Not wishing, just saying.


I was thinking the very same thing. The only thing that will keep her out is a stroke and it will have to be a major one. A small or mid one and she will still win.
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#3311918 - 08/04/13 08:44 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wildcat]
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She has already won..... I predict that all the sudden in the very near future a "special operation" will take back the embassy in Benghazi and gain many muslim friends. That will, or something very similar will happen, and when it does the election will simply be a waste of time. The public is too dumb to save themselves from what is coming.

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#3312050 - 08/04/13 09:45 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Fordman]
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 Originally Posted By: Fordman
She has already won..... I predict that all the sudden in the very near future a "special operation" will take back the embassy in Benghazi and gain many muslim friends. That will, or something very similar will happen, and when it does the election will simply be a waste of time. The public is too dumb to save themselves from what is coming.



?????????
Why would we want to "take back the embassy in Benghazi?" To begin with, it's not an embassy, it's a consulate. The U.S. Embassy is in Tripoli, and as of Sunday evening anyway, still very much in American hands.
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#3312053 - 08/04/13 09:46 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Hangnail]
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 Originally Posted By: Hangnail
If you think there is a chance a conservative ever wins another presidential race, I've got some property along Pennsylvania Avenue I'll sell you on the cheap. There are nearly as many non-whites as whites, nearly as many people on the take from the government as paying taxes, a grossly undereducated population and a large liberal media working against it. That, my friends, is how you win the White House these days. If Hildebeast had been Condoleezza Rice under W, does anyone think for a second she'd ever have her name uttered for another political post or as a candidate for anything?

Y'all need to sit back and enjoy what we have left to enjoy. It's getting chipped away as we speak and there aren't enough of us to stop it. I'll be the first to admit I'm wrong on this and I really hope that I am for the sake of our kids and their kids.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This. Exactly.
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#3312094 - 08/04/13 10:25 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Fordman]
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#3312352 - 08/05/13 09:15 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Bambi Buster]
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 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: Hangnail
If you think there is a chance a conservative ever wins another presidential race, I've got some property along Pennsylvania Avenue I'll sell you on the cheap. There are nearly as many non-whites as whites, nearly as many people on the take from the government as paying taxes, a grossly undereducated population and a large liberal media working against it. That, my friends, is how you win the White House these days. If Hildebeast had been Condoleezza Rice under W, does anyone think for a second she'd ever have her name uttered for another political post or as a candidate for anything?

Y'all need to sit back and enjoy what we have left to enjoy. It's getting chipped away as we speak and there aren't enough of us to stop it. I'll be the first to admit I'm wrong on this and I really hope that I am for the sake of our kids and their kids.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This. Exactly.



This, plus an easy 3-5% voter fraud will keep the Democrats in power.
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#3312537 - 08/05/13 01:23 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Rebel]
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#3312599 - 08/05/13 02:57 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: preds1]
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all the runners are hilary's, one is as bad as another. It's up to the people to diminish the power of government, but that isn't likely to happen simply because the people haven't a clue how to do it or even how government is empowered in the first place.

I can say this with 100% certainty, as long as gas prices remain as insulting as they are, government will grow, not diminish. When one person abuses another for gain government is born, as the abuse grows so does government. Energy prices are a gigantic abuse, the increase in government will match it.

A person may say that with the election of the right people government can refuse to grow and get out of peoples lives. This is true, but the effect will be catastrophic. Abuses of the people by the people will be devastating and bring about in future elections a longing for a hilary compared to what the country will get.

Love your neighbor... It's not a suggestion. Just why I said "It isn't likely to happen", the country has little desire to love anyone but themselves and that is a steroid to government.

All the hilary's could be reduced to a foot note in history if the country just stopped screwing everyone over for personal gain. A hand out is not what I'm talking about, I'm talking about treating others as ourselves, as you would your grandmother, not as someone to swindle out of everything you can.
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#3313009 - 08/05/13 09:17 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: nodog]
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Nodog is right.

Until more people wake up and understand that there is only 2 political positions its a trip on the treadmill.

1. Self Governance (small government)
2. Centralized Government (liberals,statists, socialists,democrats, RINO's, big government)

Anytime we are separated into groups, centralized government wins. It is easy to pit neighbor against neighbor.

Everybody wants to "win" even to the point of supporting "their team" without understanding their policy positions.
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#3313841 - 08/06/13 05:19 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: fishboy1]
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These latest polls only add to my belief that Hillary will not be our next President.

http://www.newsmax.com/newswidget/Hillar...gn=widgetphase2

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is the candidate voters would least likely want to win the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination, a new poll has found.

According to the Rasmussen Reports survey of 1,000 likely voters, 27 percent say they would least like to see her win the Democratic nomination, compared to 24 percent who say the same about Vice President Joe Biden.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/...ampaign=foxnews

A Monmouth University poll released late last week was notable for the fact that, like many other polls, it showed President Obama upside down on job approval with registered voters--41% approve to 54% disapprove. A closer look, though, reveals the poll's most startling find: Obama has lost credibility with the middle class. When asked if Obama is sincere about refocusing his presidency on the middle class, only 46% believe it, while a full 50% do not.

Independents are more skeptical than overall voters. A full 54% don't believe the president, while only 42% do.

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#3313845 - 08/06/13 05:23 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wes Parrish]
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Hmmm. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-06/us-files-criminal-charges-benghazi-attack

I'm sure we'll never know ......
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#3314052 - 08/06/13 08:38 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: OHVATN]
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Arrest warrant? Seriously?

They Drone US citizens to death without due process, but issue an unenforceable "arrest warrant" against foreign nationals in a foreign country. ZERO jurisdiction.

Its a PR ploy. "see we are doing something, now move along"
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#3314475 - 08/07/13 08:25 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: fishboy1]
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Hillary brings out women to vote.

She also brings out the largest segment of voters to vote against her.

She's been the "inevitable" next President for 12 years now.
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#3314546 - 08/07/13 09:19 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Crappie Luck]
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Hillary brings out women to vote.

That HAS been true.

But with all the democratic operatives focus on YOUNG voters and MINORITY voters, I believe Hillary will be a much less appealing candidate to the "women" voters of 2016, which as a group, will be composed of more young and more minority women. There will also be more young and more minority men, few of which will find Hillary an appealing candidate.

What Hillary has at the moment is name recognition against unknown candidates. The current unknown candidates will become known as 2016 approaches.

Now, these young and minority women MAY be drawn more towards the democratic brand of politics, but I believe they are drawn more towards charisma and to what extent they believe the campaign rhetoric coming from the candidate. A younger, more vibrant candidate could be much more appealing to these women, even if he/she might be a republican candidate. Could this be much of the reason Barack Obama beat out Hillary in 2008?

And don't overlook the fact that track record and prior experience means little to those who make their decisions based more emotion. Again, we present the previously unknown, relatively young and charismatic Barack Obama. The fact that Hillary has possibly improved her resume during the 8-yr period of 2008-2016 is mostly irrelevant, while any attempt to focus on her role as Secretary of State may turn up more negatives than positives.

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#3320386 - 08/12/13 02:45 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wes Parrish]
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I honestly have no clue who will win the next election and I honestly don't care anymore. America has proven we are stupid and we deserve everything we get. All I know is I'm taking care of my own and what happens, happens.

I tried hard, I really did, but when "America" re-elected Obama, I knew then it was over. There's no turning back and it was a very difficult pill to swallow. However, I've swallowed it and now I'm going to enjoy what little freedoms I have left.

We are officially now too divided as a country and the bad guys outweigh the good. They really do. So, again, I really don't care anymore who wins.

At this point, we just sit back and watch Revelations play out how God intended.
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#3320426 - 08/12/13 03:54 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Tennessee Todd]
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I tried hard, I really did, but when "America" re-elected Obama, I knew then it was over. There's no turning back and it was a very difficult pill to swallow. However, I've swallowed it and now I'm going to enjoy what little freedoms I have left.


^^ This. ^^
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#3320453 - 08/12/13 04:24 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Still-n-Quiet]
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 Originally Posted By: Still-n-Quiet
 Originally Posted By: Tennessee Todd
I tried hard, I really did, but when "America" re-elected Obama, I knew then it was over. There's no turning back and it was a very difficult pill to swallow. However, I've swallowed it and now I'm going to enjoy what little freedoms I have left.


^^ This. ^^

I agree, I don't believe ANYONE will be elected that could save this country now. Corruption runs rampant in both parties, at all levels. They are just rearranging deck chairs on the Titantic.
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#3320476 - 08/12/13 04:52 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: dr]
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Straight up post TT.
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#3320557 - 08/12/13 05:55 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Tennessee Todd]
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 Originally Posted By: Tennessee Todd
I honestly have no clue who will win the next election and I honestly don't care anymore. America has proven we are stupid and we deserve everything we get. All I know is I'm taking care of my own and what happens, happens.

I tried hard, I really did, but when "America" re-elected Obama, I knew then it was over. There's no turning back and it was a very difficult pill to swallow. However, I've swallowed it and now I'm going to enjoy what little freedoms I have left.

We are officially now too divided as a country and the bad guys outweigh the good. They really do. So, again, I really don't care anymore who wins.

At this point, we just sit back and watch Revelations play out how God intended.



Same here except this up coming election will be the last one I will care about if Hillary wins. People have already started saying they will stay home is certain people are not on the ticket. If they do then it's over for good.
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#3320571 - 08/12/13 06:08 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wildcat]
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I'm not too far from retirement, and will move back in the woods, off the grid if needed. The thing that worries me most is what my kids, and grand kids will have to endure. I will not take kindly to the people that voted for this mess.
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#3320581 - 08/12/13 06:15 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Tennessee Todd]
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America has proven we are stupid and we deserve everything we get. . . . . .

We are officially now too divided as a country and the bad guys outweigh the good. They really do.

Sometimes all it takes is a few good men, who aren't so stupid as to throw in the towel too soon.

Yes, Obama has greatly increased all the divides, and there are almost as many takers as givers. But not for one minute do I believe the bad guys outweigh the good. Many of the "takers" are not bad people, in fact I believe most are good, just misguided, and being used by a misguided political ideology rife with dishonest, self-serving leaders. With the attitudes some of you have, had you been around during the 1700's, we'd still be a British colony today.

I am reminded of the many times told story of the guy stranded on his rooftop as the flood waters rose around him. He was sent rescue boats, he was sent rescue helicopters, yet he drowned in his sorrows and the inability to recognize the help he was being sent.

2016 is a great opportunity for America to make a comeback, or we can just throw in the towel and give up now. What we need more than anything are real leaders, honest ones with integrity, who believe in America, our Constitution, and the values on which it was founded.

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#3320591 - 08/12/13 06:30 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wes Parrish]
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I agree with what you are saying Wes and I appreciate you being a cheerleader for what is right. However, I travel all over this Country a lot, and unfortunately, us Tennesseeans are so far in the minority, most people wouldn't believe it.

The good are outnumbered. They are also unfortunately dying off and being replaced by spoiled, lazy, incompetent suckers of the government tit and there's nothing any of us can do about it. For anyone to try to have the balls to fix it would be political suicide because these people are the majority.

Again, I appreciate what your saying dude, but come on. Just think of what Obama did his first term. If any other President in history would have done those things, not only would they have been impeached, they would have been assassinated. Seriously, think on those things just for a minute. Then, realize that this guy won in a landslide. Based on that, I don't buy your theory for one minute that most people are still good. Sure, I'll give people one "idiot" button the first time because maybe they thought this guy really was the Messiah and could do what he said. However, after 4 years of what he's done and people still think he's the man, then we are too far gone to even try.

I'm not a pessimist by nature, I'm more of a realist but I'm sorry bro, other than our faith in God, we have no hope. None. Zero. As a nation, we are done.
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#3320633 - 08/12/13 06:59 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Tennessee Todd]
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I hope those who are ready to throw in the towel are merely planning for a comeback.

So, you take your ball and go home, and the govt implodes....

What then? That is the question you should be asking. What then?

DO you keep your head down and hope the ghouls wont come feast on your misery? Do you watch as our country is broken up and looted? Do you stand by as horrors are perpetrated on your friends, family, and neighbors?

OR.... do you prepare for the coming opportunity to destroy the lies that got us here and restore our country?

Big government/liberalism/socialism etc... only exists by using lies to beg, steal, and borrow. When the lie is exposed, an opportunity to crush the theology happens.

I do believe our country is headed for a disaster. The real question is who is going to lead us out of it? The liberal looters who's policies and ideals led us to disaster? Or the Constitutional conservatives, who's ideals have allowed prosperity and freedom the likes of which the modern world has never seen ?

I know who I am going to side with.
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#3320669 - 08/12/13 07:21 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: fishboy1]
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 Originally Posted By: fishboy1
I hope those who are ready to throw in the towel are merely planning for a comeback.

So, you take your ball and go home, and the govt implodes....

What then? That is the question you should be asking. What then?

DO you keep your head down and hope the ghouls wont come feast on your misery? Do you watch as our country is broken up and looted? Do you stand by as horrors are perpetrated on your friends, family, and neighbors?

OR.... do you prepare for the coming opportunity to destroy the lies that got us here and restore our country?

Big government/liberalism/socialism etc... only exists by using lies to beg, steal, and borrow. When the lie is exposed, an opportunity to crush the theology happens.

I do believe our country is headed for a disaster. The real question is who is going to lead us out of it? The liberal looters who's policies and ideals led us to disaster? Or the Constitutional conservatives, who's ideals have allowed prosperity and freedom the likes of which the modern world has never seen ?

I know who I am going to side with.


Fish,

Certain people ALREADY took their balls and STAYED HOME and did not vote the last two elections. They said they couldn't hold their nose and vote for McCain or Romney. They were Constitutional conservatives. In Tn and KY it didn't mater but in certain states it DID MATER and on several forums those that stayed home said they were encouraged by others across the country that did stay home.

Remember certain people ALREADY took their balls and stayed home. And I remember certain other people cheering and supporting them to stay home.
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#3320691 - 08/12/13 07:39 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Tennessee Todd]
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 Originally Posted By: Tennessee Todd
However, I travel all over this Country a lot, and unfortunately, us Tennesseans are so far in the minority, most people wouldn't believe it.


I travel as well and second that thought; it ain't pretty.
We're in a bubble here in TN, at least for now that is.
With everyone fleeing their tax-happy & jobless states, it's only a matter of time.

Shoot, even TX will be a toss-up state soon.
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#3320996 - 08/13/13 05:02 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: preds1]
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I totally agree with TT and his assessment of current affairs in this country. That said, I will not "give in", as I will continue to vote and to send emails and letters to our elected tyrants to try to incorporate change in the direction we're sinking. But, I also think, at this point, that it is just an exercise in futility, period. "Hope and Change" has just about killed us, maybe already has.
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#3321039 - 08/13/13 06:25 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: MUP]
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MUP,
I salute you. Continue your efforts but also focus LOCALLY.

The Feds have no power or authority if local governments say... "no thanks".

Guns and revolution are not required. Good people acting locally ARE required and essential.
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#3321056 - 08/13/13 06:42 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: fishboy1]
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WC,

I understand why you keep pushing to support Republicans. You are an old school pub who believes in the values the party was built on.

I also understand why people stayed home/sat it out. They have lost faith in the Republican brand, and rightly so. The republican brand is now like Sears tools. Once the BEST, now they are cheap and don't work right. Having the wrong people in office is harmful no matter what party they come from so brand loyalty is wearing off.

In fact, I don't think there really ARE two parties anymore.
There is the hardcore socialist looter party (big government) and the Establishment Crony Capitalist party (big government).

There is a resurgence of Self Governance (small government and freedom) candidates that get little to no support from either of the big 2. I dearly hope that the Self Governance movement can gain enough steam to either.. 1. Take over the Establishment Crony Capitalist party, or 2. Be a strong enough independent third party to sweep the corrupt big government types out of office when the debt crushes our economy.

I would much prefer that the Self Governance movement turn the tide and PREVENT the coming economic collapse but I fear it is too late to avoid a very painful economic "adjustment".
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#3321069 - 08/13/13 06:50 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: fishboy1]
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So you do admit that people DID take their ball and stayed home. No wonder Obana was re-elected.

I can understand those that stayed home blame others for Obama getting a second term. They do not want to be linked to it. The sad thing is those very same people WILL help Hillary into the White House. then once again they will blame others.

Ever you do admit that you do fear it might be too late. I already went though that Election Day 2008 when Obama first won.

Three more years of Obama and 8 years of Hillary and we will be looking at a totally different Supreme Court. Last time the gun owners won by one single vote. Next time they will lose by 3 votes.
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#3321095 - 08/13/13 07:09 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wildcat]
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One thing. If a third party comes in strong enough to be a player it will GUARANTEE A Democrat dictatorship for years to come.

Like I said, I'm 61, not too many years left. So if the people that helped Obama help Hillary then screw it. I'll just use my reminding years to set back and watch everybody blame everybody else all the while they wipe out the America we once knew.
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#3321115 - 08/13/13 07:26 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wildcat]
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Don't get me wrong guys, I'm still gonna vote. Staying home isn't an option. I owe that to the many that spilled their blood for me to have that right.

All I'm saying is even though I will still vote, it's honestly no use anymore. It's kinda like playing in a golf tournament with Ruger as a partner. I know I'm gonna lose, but what the heck I do it anyway. Same concept with my vote.

Trust me, I hope I'm wrong and if I am, I'll be the first to admit it. But from what I've seen over the last 10 years or so, this country is done. The takers outweigh the makers and those of us that are makers don't give a piss about the takers anymore.

And once we get to the point where everything that can be made, has been made, and everything taken that can be taken, there will be no more making and taking and it will just be shaking and baking. I honestly don't know what that last sentence really means, but I thought it sounded cool.
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#3321177 - 08/13/13 08:05 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Tennessee Todd]
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It did sound cool! It was also profound, very profound. My interpretation of it is that after society falls apart there will be terror and misery.

Think back to what Washington said when he warned about political parties.

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#3321268 - 08/13/13 09:23 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: 348Winchester]
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 Originally Posted By: 348Winchester

Think back to what Washington said when he warned about political parties.


Yeah but you got to admit it's hard to take a guy serious that wore his hair like that.
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#3321290 - 08/13/13 09:43 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Tennessee Todd]
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I share many of your thoughts and concerns but I don't think the country and it's people are THAT far gone.

I naively still believe that they didn't vote for this or what "is", they voted for what they were promised or what "could have been".

I think that a vast majority of those "On the take" are not socialist minded but they are using the socialist programs or enjoying the conveniences of this most "generous" government. They are capable of reverting back to the way of life where we provided for ourselves without the gifts and protection of the government.

There are those who know no other way than the handouts and dependency. They'll be a force to reckon with.

Ignorance is easily remedied with those willing to learn. The rest are the problem.

Things will swing back our way. The question is will it swing back in time and how are we going to address the matter of debt and consequences of this decade of heathen indulgence and irresponsibility.

There is a price to be paid for all of this. This kind of decadence is not free and without reckoning.
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#3321324 - 08/13/13 10:17 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
I share many of your thoughts and concerns but I don't think the country and it's people are THAT far gone.




Dude. Seriously. I'll ask you the same thing I asked Wes. Just for a second, think about how bad Obama was his first term? Think of the damage that he and his government inflicted on this nation in such a short span. It's mind boggling. You don't even have to be educated to have felt the effects of what his administration was doing. Then, realize he won again in a landslide. And yet, you still think there's hope in our people?

Again, I appreciate the optimism that some of you have, and I hope your right, but I don't ever see us going back to what our founding fathers instilled in this nation. We are just too lazy and dependent on government, and that's exactly what Obama's plan was and it has been perfectly executed.
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#3321336 - 08/13/13 10:33 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Tennessee Todd]
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Yes. Lazy and apathetic.

It's not hard to find examples of both every day. But they are lazy and apathetic out of the luxury to do so. Skating on the labors of past generations and the pillaging of the labors of the next.

But how long can that last? that Luxury, or more accurately, the irresponsibility of laziness and ignorance is very temporary and expensive. Expensive in terms of dollars and well as liberty.

When the bill comes due, who is going to roll over and accept the chains of slavery and who is going to rise up and cast off the Government attempting to enslave them?

THAT is where my optimism lies. In our ability as a majority to rebuild from the ashes, not in the ability of these cretins to recognize the errors of their ways in time to stop it. Most will be able to live off of less and on their own when they are finally forced to do so, but not a minute before that.

But I don't think the majority are going to roll over and accept the inevitable enslavement that comes at the end of this 4 course meal and drink they are currently indulging in.
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#3321337 - 08/13/13 10:34 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Tennessee Todd]
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I will say this too, that I firmly believe that O won this time around(most likely to some degree last time too) as a result of voter fraud. The precincts up in NE where he got 100% of the vote, and that being a statistical impossibility for this to happen, point toward this conclusion. How are we to overcome this kind of tyrannical undertaking when a juggernaut of this magnitude can manipulate and change results on a whim for their favor?
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#3321343 - 08/13/13 10:39 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: MUP]
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1 of every 5 votes in Ohio was found to be fraudulent.

20%!!!!!
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#3321380 - 08/13/13 11:20 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Crappie Luck]
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Agree with MUP and CL.

Voter fraud won O this election.

They took a page out of Harry Reids book to take back Nevada several years back.

Tell me how your opponent can be up in every major poll by at least 2 points the day before the election and that person ends up losing?
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#3321391 - 08/13/13 11:29 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Crappie Luck]
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I too agree with Crappie.

Its easy to be apathetic and go along when its not hurting you, or not much.

But when the bill comes due, and it WILL come due, the people will be MAD !

A perfect example is the Occupy movement. Yes, there are the Occutards who are moronic socialists and doped up sociopaths. BuT there were also a LOT Of young college age kids who understand that they are getting screwed. They are pissssed that they bought into the promise, spent years of their life and Tens of thousands of borrowed dollars on a degree and a promise only to see that the economy is in the tank and the social conformity they were banking on was an empty promise.

The progressives are cranking out the propaganda but it is hollow and the college kids know it. IF and its a big IF, we could reach those kids with a different message they probably have NEVER been exposed to.... A message of freedom, liberty, and opportunity.... via self reliance and small government, a wave of change would happen. The good kind of change.

That is one of my biggest gripes with the Republican party. They are more concerned with maintaining their status and privilege than they are with making the country great again.
But to make the COUNTRY great, they would have to give up their power and become SMALLER (at least in their minds).
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#3321444 - 08/13/13 12:27 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: fishboy1]
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The intriguing part of all of this is how fragile the Illusion of power and this of cards this Big government has built really is.

This whole system of taxes, power and intimidation only works because "WE" allow it. All the spending, borrowing and socialism is based on the premise that you go to work and pay the government a "FEE" for the privilege of collecting a wage for your time, talents and experience.

Businesses pay this "Fee" for the privilege of conducting capitalism and trade within the boundaries of this illusion of a bubble the govt. has created.

We get up every day and go do our duty to provide for our families and allow this govt. who is dependent upon YOU to dictate what YOU are allowed to do because that is all we've ever known.

What if those producing eventually have had ENOUGH and simply stop. Stop allowing automatic deductions of your paycheck and start paying in cash or some alternative currency. What if every businesses in the USA suddenly stopped filing quarterly earnings and mailing checks to the govt. What if we just STOPPED following the expected routine of economic energy production, turned towards Washington and flipped them the bird?

There is nothing they could do about it. NOTHING. We continue to be lead only because, for now, it's more convenient than taking up the slack on our invisible leashes.

The government, the IRS and the President are the frame, our laws and customs are the glass, .
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#3321471 - 08/13/13 12:43 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Crappie Luck]
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I'll ask this simple question.

"What authority does the looters of our society have to demand that you continue to fund their lifestyle of indulgence and poor choices?"

At what point does this question enter the minds of the majority pulling the wagon? When it does, the yolk comes off and fists go up.

It's really that simple.

These vagrants, morons and leaches that disgust us and piss us off are symbols of a dying society but they have NO POWER. They exist at the tips of our fingers and can be flicked off like snot.
I don't fear them and I don't fear those they elect to represent them. They are housed and fed entirely on our generosity. When we, as a society, are tired of it, they'll be brushed aside and be done with.

What I'm more concerned about is how much more the good people of this country are willing to tolerate before they reach that point.
How much more of our children's future are we willing to leverage for the comfort and convenience of these ungrateful, entitled thieves of labor and initiative?



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#3321478 - 08/13/13 12:55 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Crappie Luck]
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Exactly, they have no power, but, in order to rid ourselves of them, imo, voting "ain't gonna cut it" anymore. It will take a "power" to defeat their "power".
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#3321485 - 08/13/13 12:59 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: MUP]
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Will power mostly. Sure, some firepower but IMO, most of them will go BACK to working for a living once the free S**** is CUT OFF.

And I'm talking about our Government as well as the leeches living on welfare and fraudulent disability.



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#3321516 - 08/13/13 01:26 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Crappie Luck]
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You make some great points Crappie. I just wonder how many of us have the balls to say enough is enough.
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#3321539 - 08/13/13 01:47 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Tennessee Todd]
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Me too. I wonder how many and WHEN will they says "ENOUGH!!!!"
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#3321596 - 08/13/13 02:41 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Crappie Luck]
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We marvel at all the destruction the Democrats were able to wreak in two years of total Washington control. Yet, the Republicans enjoyed a six year reign in which they also controlled the Supreme Court based on appointees.

What did our team do with it? Two unnecessary occupations, turn a surplus into record deficits, No Child Left Behind, Medicare Drug fiasco, nothing to enforce our immigration policy, allowed the gay community to pick up steam, Dept of Homeland Security, Patriot Act, The Bailouts, etc.

W's administration was a conservative disaster. And what did WE do? Defend their policies at every turn. It was the War on Terror that caused the deficits, they hid the WMD's, he's a good man, he goes to church, he's a cowboy, etc.


Granted Obama is much worse. But the national media exposed many of the lies, deceits, and inconsistencies from the Bush regime but they defend, distort, and cover up every disastrous Obama policy. The uninformed "independent" voter saw Bush, in effect, the Republicans called out as liars on many issues. The same media adores Obama. This makes for a big swing in votes with a low IQ electorate.

Other important issues are voter fraud - which is huge.

And we're so politically correct no one wants to mention demographics/race. With an estimated 80% (I would argue over 90%) of the nonwhite vote going to the democrats in a national election it's becoming obvious for America's minorities that race is a bigger factor in their electoral decisions than economic, political. or social issues. Asians, Hispanics, and even Jews who should have been more aligned with Romney's economic and social ideas overwhelmingly rejected his message. They chose the party with a brown face that promotes higher taxes and gay marriage. The Republican's solution: allow more nonwhites into the country??? What conservative wouldn't be pessimistic?
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#3321740 - 08/13/13 05:01 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: de novo]
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You are 100% right, de novo.

BOTH parties are heading towards socialism and tyrannical rule. They just decorate their busses with the themes and banners that attract the people to one of the two parties.

We're all headed to the same place. We just have different cheers at the pep rally.

Their side has the black, brown and "yea, we kill babies" crowd.

Our side has the "I own a gun and pay my own bills" crowd.

But, in the end, both parties vote for the same crap. They even vote to approve justices and the heads of the Federal reserve.

Sure, there are token "Not me" votes along the way to appease their groupies back home, but just look at the Amnesty vote and suddenly the two parties don't seem so far apart any more.

It's all a rouse and a head fake.

Neither party wants you to realize that they are only relevant as long as WE don't want to shoulder the responsibility for our own country.
As soon as the American people wise up and remember that WE are the government, NOT the governed, It's all over.

Laws only work if EVERYONE agrees to abide by them. What happens when NO ONE agrees anymore? That is the event Horizon for congress. An awakened and aware populous keeps them awake at night.....Their conscience sure as heII doesn't
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#3321755 - 08/13/13 05:15 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Crappie Luck]
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You are 100% right, de novo.

BOTH parties are heading towards socialism and tyrannical rule. They just decorate their busses with the themes and banners that attract the people to one of the two parties.

We're all headed to the same place. We just have different cheers at the pep rally.

Their side has the black, brown and "yea, we kill babies" crowd.

Our side has the "I own a gun and pay my own bills" crowd.

But, in the end, both parties vote for the same crap. They even vote to approve justices and the heads of the Federal reserve.

Sure, there are token "Not me" votes along the way to appease their groupies back home, but just look at the Amnesty vote and suddenly the two parties don't seem so far apart any more.

It's all a rouse and a head fake.

Neither party wants you to realize that they are only relevant as long as WE don't want to shoulder the responsibility for our own country.
As soon as the American people wise up and remember that WE are the government, NOT the governed, It's all over.

Laws only work if EVERYONE agrees to abide by them. What happens when NO ONE agrees anymore? That is the event Horizon for congress. An awakened and aware populous keeps them awake at night.....Their conscience sure as heII doesn't



My optimism is waning with total media control and a hordes of voters who do not think logically. In our lifetime (my generation) will likely not see any major changes in a way of life except tax increases and moral declines. However, I fear that my kids and especially grandkids will one day be faced either with the terror/persecution of living in a Communist nation or the terror/persecution of living in a nation like Zimbabwe, South Africa, or Haiti. History has not been kind to whites who have turned over a country via the ballot box or war to nonwhites.
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#3321964 - 08/13/13 08:20 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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Agree with MUP and CL.

Voter fraud won O this election.

They took a page out of Harry Reids book to take back Nevada several years back.



Now what is to keep Hillary from doing the very same voter fraud????

Is Attorney General Holder going to do anything about it?? Is President Obama going to do anything about it??

So guys, please explain to me why Hillary will not do the same thing.
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#3322053 - 08/13/13 09:04 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wildcat]
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I would absolutely LOVE to peaceably jam the streets of Washington DC with like minded individuals on a Friday when the scum in Congress tries to get from the hill to the airport.

Block their paths home and remind them that a government afraid of the people is liberty.
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#3322087 - 08/13/13 09:23 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: AndyW]
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 Originally Posted By: AndyW
I would absolutely LOVE to peaceably jam the streets of Washington DC with like minded individuals on a Friday when the scum in Congress tries to get from the hill to the airport.

Block their paths home and remind them that a government afraid of the people is liberty.


You and me will not be able to stop much by ourselves but if we were liberals then the media and several thousands of other liberals would show up.

You think conservatives will show up?? Hell they can't ever push hard enough to force Congress to stop the IRS from cracking down on the Tea Parties.
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#3322101 - 08/13/13 09:31 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: AndyW]
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All y'all are forgetting about the 17 trillion dollar gorilla sitting in the middle of the room:

$16,899,900,789,060.00

$125,245,798,450,000 unfunded liabilities

Yes, we are talking 12 zeros.

We will see an economic collapse sooner than later. Don't worry Wildcat, even at 61 years old you will see civil unrest in this country. This I promise. And the Government knows it. 2300 MRAP's proves they know it.

Let's see what happens when the Fed quits printing 85 billion dollars a month to keep this fake recovery going.

When this economy collapses and the welfare parasites checks are cut off, the looters will be coming after you to take yours. If you have not been preparing for this storm coming you will drown in the wave of looters. This is not our Grandparents America anymore. We have been invaded by 20 million illegal aliens. Our prisons are full of them. California is going to early release 10's of thousands of them soon. And they will be headed to your neighborhoods. We are surrounded by drug dealers, thugs, racists, terrorists, child molesters, thieves, murderers, and terrorists who are willing to blow up innocent children using pressure cookers. What makes you think when this collapse occurs all of these animals will not cut your throat just to cut your throat? What is happening South of our border will be coming here soon.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Tick Tock Tick Tock


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#3322146 - 08/13/13 10:07 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: AndyW]
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 Originally Posted By: AndyW
I would absolutely LOVE to peaceably jam the streets of Washington DC with like minded individuals on a Friday when the scum in Congress tries to get from the hill to the airport.

Block their paths home and remind them that a government afraid of the people is liberty.


Unfortunately, we [Tennesseans] are unable to get a viable conservative candidate to oppose Corker in 2012 or Alexander in 2014. It's really hard for tax paying, hard working Americans to stop working long enough to get locally or nationally organized.
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#3322265 - 08/14/13 04:27 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: de novo]
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I guess it could be worse...maybe?

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#3322364 - 08/14/13 06:43 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: de novo]
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 Originally Posted By: de novo
 Originally Posted By: AndyW
I would absolutely LOVE to peaceably jam the streets of Washington DC with like minded individuals on a Friday when the scum in Congress tries to get from the hill to the airport.

Block their paths home and remind them that a government afraid of the people is liberty.


Unfortunately, we [Tennesseans] are unable to get a viable conservative candidate to oppose Corker in 2012 or Alexander in 2014.


True.

Yet people will blame the Republican Party rather than nobody stepping up to run in the primaries. Yes it takes money and backing but people have to step up first. They are not going to so you are stuck.
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#3322463 - 08/14/13 08:08 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wildcat]
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 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
 Originally Posted By: de novo
 Originally Posted By: AndyW
I would absolutely LOVE to peaceably jam the streets of Washington DC with like minded individuals on a Friday when the scum in Congress tries to get from the hill to the airport.

Block their paths home and remind them that a government afraid of the people is liberty.


Unfortunately, we [Tennesseans] are unable to get a viable conservative candidate to oppose Corker in 2012 or Alexander in 2014.


True.

Yet people will blame the Republican Party rather than nobody stepping up to run in the primaries. Yes it takes money and backing but people have to step up first. They are not going to so you are stuck.


Problem is the main "conservative" threats to Alexander all lined up to endorse him last December. Makes you question their principles and conservative legitimacy. I recently went to an event where both Marsha Blackburn and Rand Paul were speaking. Both made good speeches about conservative, small government ideals. Blackburn has endorsed and is on the Lamar reelection team and Paul stated the following day that he hopes Lamar does not have a primary opponent. Very frustrating.
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#3335608 - 08/25/13 07:41 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: de novo]
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Prominent liberal democrat feminist Camille Paglia denounces Hillary . . . . . .

http://www.salon.com/2013/08/21/camille_...9s_best_chance/

"As a registered Democrat, I am praying for a credible presidential candidate to emerge from the younger tier of politicians in their late 40s. A governor with executive experience would be ideal. It’s time to put my baby-boom generation out to pasture! We’ve had our day and managed to muck up a hell of a lot. It remains baffling how anyone would think that Hillary Clinton (born the same year as me) is our party’s best chance. She has more sooty baggage than a 90-car freight train. And what exactly has she ever accomplished — beyond bullishly covering for her philandering husband? She’s certainly busy, busy and ever on the move — with the tunnel-vision workaholism of someone trying to blot out uncomfortable private thoughts.

I for one think it was a very big deal that our ambassador was murdered in Benghazi. In saying “I take responsibility” for it as secretary of state, Hillary should have resigned immediately. The weak response by the Obama administration to that tragedy has given a huge opening to Republicans in the next presidential election. The impression has been amply given that Benghazi was treated as a public relations matter to massage rather than as the major and outrageous attack on the U.S. that it was.

Throughout history, ambassadors have always been symbolic incarnations of the sovereignty of their nations and the dignity of their leaders. It’s even a key motif in “King Lear.” As far as I’m concerned, Hillary disqualified herself for the presidency in that fist-pounding moment at a congressional hearing when she said, “What difference does it make what we knew and when we knew it, Senator?” Democrats have got to shake off the Clinton albatross and find new blood. The escalating instability not just in Egypt but throughout the Mideast is very ominous. There is a clash of cultures brewing in the world that may take a century or more to resolve — and there is no guarantee that the secular West will win."

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#3335864 - 08/25/13 09:41 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: 348Winchester]
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The same young dumb voters that wanted to be part of history in electing our first black president will want to repeat. So if the republicans elect the same sorry %** candidates like they have the last two elections then yeah she wins in a very large landslide.
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#3336353 - 08/26/13 10:29 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: TNhunter]
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Saw a bumper sticker yesterday... It read;

"I'm ready for Hillary! 2016"

BOHICA...
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#3336368 - 08/26/13 10:41 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Rebel]
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I saw a bumper sticker that said "HIllary/Satan 2016 - What difference does it make?"
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#3336385 - 08/26/13 10:52 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Crappie Luck]
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And that devilish duo would probably win in a landslide with 99% of registered dem's voting in favor of "the end".
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#3336453 - 08/26/13 11:49 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: MUP]
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#3336555 - 08/26/13 12:59 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
I saw a bumper sticker that said "HIllary/Satan 2016 - What difference does it make?"

Need to find those; I'll buy one!
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#3336626 - 08/26/13 01:47 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: BMan]
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 Originally Posted By: BMan
 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
I saw a bumper sticker that said "HIllary/Satan 2016 - What difference does it make?"

Need to find those; I'll buy one!



Yeah, me too. my car needs to be repainted... I'm sure some fine upstanding Hillary supporters that look like Obama's sons won't mind vandalizing it for me.
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#3337762 - 08/27/13 10:58 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: fishboy1]
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MUP,
I salute you. Continue your efforts but also focus LOCALLY.

The Feds have no power or authority if local governments say... "no thanks".

Guns and revolution are not required. Good people acting locally ARE required and essential.


Article 5 of the Constitution gives us all the hope we need. Fishboy's right - call your state legislature and encourage them/implore them to give Mark Levin's book a read. The Liberty Amendments lay it all out beautifully.

We shall not lose hope, for hope is all we have....and the Constitution - or what's left it.

Don't be so defeatest y'all - The founders left the States a GREAT deal of power for this very reason - a despotic, tyrannical government!

Read The Liberty Amendments and call your state legislator!!
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#3337858 - 08/27/13 12:02 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: The ScubaCamper]
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Thanks scooby ;\)

I have been on the act locally kick for about a year and then guess what I discover 2 weeks ago? The Liberty Amendments !!!

Im only on Amendment #2 in the book so far but Mark Levin does an amazing job outlining not only the solutions, but backs it up with documentation from the founders of our country.

I am still aghast and amazed at how far away from the constitutional republic we are SUPPOSED TO BE, but still think we are.
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#3337884 - 08/27/13 12:22 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: fishboy1]
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I suppose the most enjoyment I get from Mark Levin's work is all the research he puts into it - understanding where the founders were coming from and what shaped their arguments. Not just that but what they argued about and what aspects of our constitution various folks had issues with.

Article 5 wouldn't even be in there if James Mason didn't push for it.

Some have said "oh, well if the States have these rights, they'll run away with it!" As in, run-amuck with all sorts of whimisical legislation and amendments.

That is just not going to happen. Even if it does, it's because 2/3rds of the states wanted it - which is what the entire article is intended to protect!
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#3669335 - 05/13/14 01:07 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Bambi Buster]
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This is an old thread from last year, but most worthy of re-visit.
An excellent and enlightening thread, on which much can now be added.

 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
I don't like it, in fact I loathe it, but barring an unforeseeable radical event, far more devastating than 9/11/2001, it's inevitable that if she runs, she'll win in a landslide. The article at the link lays out the reasons.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...medium=facebook

For starters, as much as I respect Bambi Buster's opinions in general, his above was one with which I did not agree. We now have much more reason to believe that Hillary is unlikely to win, maybe now even much more unlikely to even be running for President. Perhaps we should even hope she is the democratic candidate?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/05/13/rove-defends-comments-questioning-clintons-health/

Not sure about her "health issues", as they seemed very well "timed" to deflect her being questioned about Benghazi? Meanwhile, the more we learn about what happened in Benghazi, the less it appears Mrs. Clinton is a viable candidate.

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#3669366 - 05/13/14 01:48 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
This is an old thread from last year, but most worthy of re-visit.
An excellent and enlightening thread, on which much can now be added.

 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
I don't like it, in fact I loathe it, but barring an unforeseeable radical event, far more devastating than 9/11/2001, it's inevitable that if she runs, she'll win in a landslide. The article at the link lays out the reasons.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...medium=facebook

For starters, as much as I respect Bambi Buster's opinions in general, his above was one with which I did not agree. We now have much more reason to believe that Hillary is unlikely to win, maybe now even much more unlikely to even be running for President. Perhaps we should even hope she is the democratic candidate?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/05/13/rove-defends-comments-questioning-clintons-health/

Not sure about her "health issues", as they seemed very well "timed" to deflect her being questioned about Benghazi? Meanwhile, the more we learn about what happened in Benghazi, the less it appears Mrs. Clinton is a viable candidate.


Time will tell, but my prediction "if she runs, she'll win in a landslide" still holds. Even if the Benghazi committee reveals a videotape of her personally executing the 4 Americans that night, it will make no difference. The people who elected The Kenyan in 2008, and reelected him in 2012 are not going away, nor are they becoming fewer in number.
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#3669381 - 05/13/14 02:17 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Bambi Buster]
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 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
The people who elected The Kenyan in 2008, and reelected him in 2012 are not going away, nor are they becoming fewer in number.


If anything, there will be more "people who elected the Kenyan" voting...what - with 8 years of people dying and 8 years of illegals crossing, the dim-libs have a plethora of 'new' voters to vote multiple times in various precincts in several states.
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#3669423 - 05/13/14 03:18 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Bambi Buster]
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 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
The people who elected The Kenyan in 2008, and reelected him in 2012 are not going away, nor are they becoming fewer in number.

While I can agree with THIS statement, I think you're somewhat comparing apples-to-oranges.

Many (maybe even the majority) of those who voted for Obama did so mainly because he was (in their eyes) a good-looking, charismatic, young black man. As opposed to an aged, not-so-charismatic old white man. While this was lesser the case with Mitt Romney in 2012, it was still the case.

It should also be noted that FEWER of those who voted for Obama in 2008, came back to vote for him in 2012. So, yes, while they as a group are still "there", how many among this group will be motivated to even vote at all in 2016? Among this group, the greater factors that (in democratic parlance) "got out the vote" (many for their 1st time ever), simply do not exist with Hillary Clinton.

My point is mainly that Barack Obama is not running in 2016, and those who voted for him in 2008 cannot vote for Hillary for the reasons they voted for Obama. The enthusiasm that young voters, minority voters, independent voters, and registered democratic voters had for Barack Obama is simply not there for an aging old white woman with lots of negative baggage.

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#3669493 - 05/13/14 04:37 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
The people who elected The Kenyan in 2008, and reelected him in 2012 are not going away, nor are they becoming fewer in number.

While I can agree with THIS statement, I think you're somewhat comparing apples-to-oranges.

Many (maybe even the majority) of those who voted for Obama did so mainly because he was a (in their eyes) good-looking, charismatic, young black man. As opposed to an aged, not-so-charismatic old white man. While this was lesser the case with Mitt Romney in 2012, it was still the case.

It should also be noted that FEWER of those who voted for Obama in 2008, came back to vote for him in 2012.

My point is mainly that Barack Obama is not running in 2016, and those who voted for him in 2008 cannot vote for Hillary for the reasons they voted for Obama. The enthusiasm that young voters, minority voters, independent voters, and registered democratic voters had for Barack Obama is simply not there for an aging old white woman with lots of negative baggage.


I agree with what your saying Wes, but I think she still wins. I don't think by a landslide though.
IF Obama and bill get out and Cheerlead strong for her, they will turn out some votes that she wouldn't.

Also as for the negative baggage, her voters could care less, even if it was reported by the msm, they don't keep up with it.

What so sad is we KNOW MANY voters vote based only on looks, charm, charisma,a life story, rockstarish, likeable drink a beer with candidate, feel your pain, than they do based on issues and policies or D or a R by their name.
You may not like it, but you have to remember you and even those like you are not the only voters and you need someone who appeals to a larger portion of the voters. You be surprised how many people like to see a candidate or even a POTUS on late night talk shows cutting up and maybe even playing a saxophone, talking some basketball or about a nascar race. Many voters like that, makes them feel like their a more real down to earth type person, not some full of facts, and issues boring old fart.

Yet not only do we keep running rhino's, but we keep running the stick in mud candidates.

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#3669661 - 05/13/14 08:16 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Dale3]
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 Originally Posted By: Dale3
Also as for the negative baggage, her voters could care less, even if it was reported by the msm, they don't keep up with it.
. . . . .
You be surprised how many people like to see a candidate or even a POTUS on late night talk shows cutting up and maybe even playing a saxophone, talking some basketball or about a nascar race. Many voters like that, makes them feel like their a more real down to earth type person, not some full of facts, and issues boring old fart.

Yet not only do we keep running rhino's, but we keep running the stick in mud candidates.

I agree with you, except on the part of Hillary winning.

Of course, it won't surprise me if the republican establishment essentially just "gives" Hillary the Presidency via poor republican choices.

Keep in mind "her" voters are not universally the same as "Obama's" voters. Large groups of independents who voted for Obama will not be voting for Hillary; large groups of younger voters and minority voters will not be nearly as motivated to vote for Hillary as they were for Obama.

What will matter more will become what the republicans have to offer instead. Quite simply, republicans need a dynamic, charismatic candidate who "is" good, but also who both looks and sounds good to the lower-information voters swayed most by simply looks and sounds. May be a sad way for things to be, but emotion turns out more votes than logic. That has been proven with the past two Presidential elections.

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#3669670 - 05/13/14 08:24 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wes Parrish]
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One more thing.
With the 2012 results, Obama only received about 4 percentage points more popular votes than Romney. HAD only 3 percentage points fewer gone to Obama, and HAD only 3 percentage points more gone to Romney, Romney could handily have won via the Electoral College (and the popular vote). The 2012 race was much closer than the electoral college made it appear.

With each passing day, I believe more strongly that Hillary will NOT be the democratic Presidential candidate. No idea who it will be, just believe the democrats will come up with a more electable candidate, just like they did in 2008 when Hillary WAS a more viable candidate than she is now.

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#3669692 - 05/13/14 08:46 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
 Originally Posted By: Dale3
Also as for the negative baggage, her voters could care less, even if it was reported by the msm, they don't keep up with it.
. . . . .
You be surprised how many people like to see a candidate or even a POTUS on late night talk shows cutting up and maybe even playing a saxophone, talking some basketball or about a nascar race. Many voters like that, makes them feel like their a more real down to earth type person, not some full of facts, and issues boring old fart.

Yet not only do we keep running rhino's, but we keep running the stick in mud candidates.

I agree with you, except on the part of Hillary winning.

Of course, it won't surprise me if the republican establishment essentially just "gives" Hillary the Presidency via poor republican choices.

Keep in mind "her" voters are not universally the same as "Obama's" voters. Large groups of independents who voted for Obama will not be voting for Hillary; large groups of younger voters and minority voters will not be nearly as motivated to vote for Hillary as they were for Obama.

What will matter more will become what the republicans have to offer instead. Quite simply, republicans need a dynamic, charismatic candidate who "is" good, but also who both looks and sounds good to the lower-information voters swayed most by simply looks and sounds. May be a sad way for things to be, but emotion turns out more votes than logic. That has been proven with the past two Presidential elections.


I think it would be EASY to beat Hillary with a dynamic, charismatic candidate who "is" good, but also who both looks and sounds good to the lower-information voters swayed most by simply looks and sounds. Hillary is NO BILLY BOY.
Problem is the pub party and rhino's don't get this. WHY I DONT KNOW!
Then you add in those who refuse to vote and stay home cause they didn't get their PREFECT candidate and like to excuse themselves from voting or wasting a vote cause they didn't get their way.
We have had candidates who could have won the past elections, but didn't get the nod and backing from the rhinos and other who took them out.
The rhinos have GOT to get this. Those who think their above voting for less than perfect have GOT to get this. We could EASILY get many lower-information voters with the right person.

I think also MORE than just the last two elections have been won by the person who has this.
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#3669698 - 05/13/14 08:50 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Dale3
Also as for the negative baggage, her voters could care less, even if it was reported by the msm, they don't keep up with it.
. . . . .
You be surprised how many people like to see a candidate or even a POTUS on late night talk shows cutting up and maybe even playing a saxophone, talking some basketball or about a nascar race. Many voters like that, makes them feel like their a more real down to earth type person, not some full of facts, and issues boring old fart.

Yet not only do we keep running rhino's, but we keep running the stick in mud candidates.

I agree with you, except on the part of Hillary winning.

Of course, it won't surprise me if the republican establishment essentially just "gives" Hillary the Presidency via poor republican choices.

Keep in mind "her" voters are not universally the same as "Obama's" voters. Large groups of independents who voted for Obama will not be voting for Hillary; large groups of younger voters and minority voters will not be nearly as motivated to vote for Hillary as they were for Obama.

What will matter more will become what the republicans have to offer instead. Quite simply, republicans need a dynamic, charismatic candidate who "is" good, but also who both looks and sounds good to the lower-information voters swayed most by simply looks and sounds. May be a sad way for things to be, but emotion turns out more votes than logic. That has been proven with the past two Presidential elections.



WHO????

The Republican Party only puts up the ones that win the primaries.

You and I both know that the MSM WILL attack EVERY ONE OF THEM until they are beaten. Yet we blame the party for that.
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#3669704 - 05/13/14 08:54 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wildcat]
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The Republican Party only puts up the ones that win the primaries.

True.
But the Republican Establishment plays a heavy hand in who wins those primaries.

Who???

I have no clue.
Just like the democrats had no clue the democratic establishment was going to see that Obama won their primaries, even when most democratic voters had already assumed it would be Hillary, and few had ever heard of Obama prior to 2008.

The democratic operatives have been light years ahead of republican operatives in understanding basic human nature, and that with most, emotion trumps facts and logic. Of course, I do want the republican establishment to do whatever they do with great integrity ---- but PLEASE, find a candidate of integrity who is also at least emotionally appealing even to those who have no integrity (and/or no willingness to look at those criteria that should logically matter more than looks & charisma).

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#3669707 - 05/13/14 08:55 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wes Parrish]
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One more thing.
With the 2012 results, Obama only received about 4 percentage points more popular votes than Romney. HAD only 3 percentage points fewer gone to Obama, and HAD only 3 percentage points more gone to Romney, Romney could handily have won via the Electoral College (and the popular vote). The 2012 race was much closer than the electoral college made it appear.



Now look up the number of ultra conservatives that "stayed home rather than vote for Romney." Sounds like they were more than a messy 3 percentage points.

Guess what??

The ultra conservatives WILL DO IT AGAIN, stay home and not vote unless it's "their boy" on the ballot.

Hillary 2016.
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#3669711 - 05/13/14 08:56 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wes Parrish]
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The Republican Party only puts up the ones that win the primaries.

True.
But the Republican Establishment plays a heavy hand in who wins those primaries.


So does EVERY PARTY. Show me one party that does not do that.
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#3669724 - 05/13/14 09:04 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wildcat]
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Now look up the number of ultra conservatives that "stayed home rather than vote for Romney." Sounds like they were more than a messy 3 percentage points.

I agree.

Like I said, emotion trumps logic.

I'm sure many traditionally democratic voters also do not vote when there is a candidate they consider not "theirs". In fact, again, Obama got a lot fewer votes in 2012 than he did in 2008.

The 2012 race was very close.

 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
But the Republican Establishment plays a heavy hand in who wins those primaries.

So does EVERY PARTY. Show me one party that does not do that.

I agree. My point is the democratic operatives have a better handle on human nature and how to "turn out the votes" for their candidate.

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#3669841 - 05/14/14 04:55 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: TennesseeRains]
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She could still make history, first woman pres, elected from prison. Hey, I can still hope for change, right?
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#3669854 - 05/14/14 05:24 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: MUP]
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What we truly need is someone of STARK contrast to the status quo - someone like a Reagan conservative - someone like Ted Cruz.

We have not had a true conservative candidate in over 30 years and Reagan won by not one, but 2 landslides when the establishment fought tooth-and-nail against him, saying he would be a lousy candidate.

I long for statemen who speak highly of America, the American Dream, and the eleveation of the citizens & their personal property rights.

Wouldn't that be refreshing and energizing??
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#3672206 - 05/17/14 08:45 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wes Parrish]
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. . . . . democratic operatives have a better handle on human nature and how to "turn out the votes" for their candidate.

Including getting money from foreign donors?

Foreign money appeared to play a major role in "buying" the U.S. Presidency in 2008.

Arguably, this below revelation could either be more reason why Hillary will not win, or why she has more advantage in procurring foreign money to help her win.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/05/17/money-from-brunei-reached-clinton-foundation-coffers/

Who got $$ from Brunei's Islamic law government?
The Clinton Foundation
All that is stated in the disclosure is the amount was between $1 Million and $5 Million.

So as Hollywood hotshots protest the iconic Beverly Hills Hotel over its ownership by Brunei's sultan -- and his recent full-fledged embrace of Islamic law -- it turns out the Brunei government has financial connections to another American institution:
The Clinton Foundation.

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#3673364 - 05/19/14 07:29 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wes Parrish]
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???????

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/05/...cans-wont-last/

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#3673368 - 05/19/14 07:37 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wes Parrish]
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She polls nicely because they ask the question.

"Would you vote for HIllary in 2016 or Jeb Bush"

BOOM!!! 56% approval.

Not exactly a true representation of the electorate.

But that's our Media....
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#3673486 - 05/19/14 10:27 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Crappie Luck]
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And therein lies the rub.

Hillary is not campaigning now (though she is, sort of) and is largely out of the line of fire (speculation about her health notwithstanding). The moment she gets in the race, she faces a relentless barrage and her numbers start to drop.

Right now, she can go on “The View” and wish Barbara Walters a warm farewell. As a candidate, she’d be asked about health care and Nigeria and Iran and what she accomplished at the State Department.

The fact that people expect her to win the presidency is noteworthy, although two years from now it also casts her, in an odd way, as the incumbent.

Fox’s Charles Krauthammer told Bill O’Reilly that “the Democrats grossly overestimate how popular Hillary is. She may be popular with some of them, she may be popular with a lot of them. But they assume it’s going to apply to the country. I think not.”

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#3673812 - 05/19/14 07:40 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wes Parrish]
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Maybe we will get lucky and she throws a clot before 2016.
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#3674231 - 05/20/14 11:16 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: FLTENNHUNTER1]
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#3674241 - 05/20/14 11:28 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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At the present juncture, my personal opinion is that the best chance of a republican candidate winning the Presidency in 2016 is IF Hillary is the person running on the democratic ticket.

But also believe the democratic operatives will find a more "winnable" candidate than Hillary, just as they did in 2008. And it will probably be someone most voters are not thinking about right now in 2014. At this time in 2006, just how many voters had ever heard of Barack Obama? And just as now, the broad assumption was that Hillary had the nomination wrapped up.

I continue to doubt that Hillary will be the democratic candidate in 2016, but hope she is the one.

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#3674297 - 05/20/14 12:58 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wes Parrish]
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It will probably be an undocumented Mexican immigrant...yea, that would garner the votes from the people.
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#3674307 - 05/20/14 01:19 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: MUP]
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Put up Bush/Christie and the Dems can decide amongst themselves who they want as the next POTUS.
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#3674351 - 05/20/14 02:49 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: preds1]
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Put up Bush/Christie and the Dems can decide amongst themselves who they want as the next POTUS.


....or Cruz/Paul/Palin/Carson, etc. The results will still be the same. \:\(
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#3674355 - 05/20/14 02:54 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Crappie Luck]
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...........but barring an unforeseeable radical event, far more devastating than 9/11/2001........


It would seem we may be on the eve of just such an event.

Have you been following the terrorism alerts these past few days. If so, do you think this is one of them "Wag the dog" scenarios?

Given the heat and attention of domestic surveillance, could it be this administration need a "Win" to prove their case - A crisis created to justify the surveillance of citizens's e-mail, phone records, internet searches etc.

Am I just a paranoid, RWNJ?


Eight months later, you tell me. \:\)

If there is to be another 9/11 type event, whether wag the dog or the real thing, none of us here are going to foresee/predict it.
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#3674362 - 05/20/14 02:59 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Bambi Buster]
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....or Cruz/Paul/Palin/Carson, etc. The results will still be the same. \:\(


I respectfully disagree. If we have an articulate, stark conservative, building up America, the American dream, American pride, and American exceptionalism, I think the masses will become energized and excited once again.

All is not lost and all is right there for the taking.

Americans, by & large, are not socialists - they are freedom-loving men and women who are sick of the RNC putting up mush-republicans.

We need someone strong and articulate. Cruz or Carson are GREAT candidates.
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#3674374 - 05/20/14 03:12 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: The ScubaCamper]
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 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster

....or Cruz/Paul/Palin/Carson, etc. The results will still be the same. \:\(


I respectfully disagree. If we have an articulate, stark conservative, building up America, the American dream, American pride, and American exceptionalism, I think the masses will become energized and excited once again.

All is not lost and all is right there for the taking.

Americans, by & large, are not socialists - they are freedom-loving men and women who are sick of the RNC putting up mush-republicans.

We need someone strong and articulate. Cruz or Carson are GREAT candidates.


Barry Goldwater was all of those things. Socialist Lyndon Johnson beat him like a drum in 1964. I see no evidence that this nation is less favorably inclined toward feel-good government give-aways than it was 50 years ago.
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#3674391 - 05/20/14 03:57 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Bambi Buster]
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Barry Goldwater was all of those things. Socialist Lyndon Johnson beat him like a drum in 1964. I see no evidence that this nation is less favorably inclined toward feel-good government give-aways than it was 50 years ago.

That's a good point, and I agree with you.

So, should we just rest on our laurels, and wait until the takers far outnumber the givers? What happens then?

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#3674414 - 05/20/14 04:28 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Bambi Buster]
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...........but barring an unforeseeable radical event, far more devastating than 9/11/2001........


It would seem we may be on the eve of just such an event.

Have you been following the terrorism alerts these past few days. If so, do you think this is one of them "Wag the dog" scenarios?

Given the heat and attention of domestic surveillance, could it be this administration need a "Win" to prove their case - A crisis created to justify the surveillance of citizens's e-mail, phone records, internet searches etc.

Am I just a paranoid, RWNJ?


Eight months later, you tell me. \:\)


I would put up fight and go down screaming if I could, for the life of me, remember what we were talking about \:D
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#3674423 - 05/20/14 04:44 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
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...........but barring an unforeseeable radical event, far more devastating than 9/11/2001........


It would seem we may be on the eve of just such an event.

Have you been following the terrorism alerts these past few days. If so, do you think this is one of them "Wag the dog" scenarios?

Given the heat and attention of domestic surveillance, could it be this administration need a "Win" to prove their case - A crisis created to justify the surveillance of citizens's e-mail, phone records, internet searches etc.

Am I just a paranoid, RWNJ?


Eight months later, you tell me. \:\)


I would put up fight and go down screaming if I could, for the life of me, remember what we were talking about :D


That's an eminently acceptable reply, sir. Page 1 of the thread if you get bored someday and want to pounce back when I least expect it.
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#3674425 - 05/20/14 04:46 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Bambi Buster]
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#3674427 - 05/20/14 04:54 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wes Parrish]
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Barry Goldwater was all of those things. Socialist Lyndon Johnson beat him like a drum in 1964. I see no evidence that this nation is less favorably inclined toward feel-good government give-aways than it was 50 years ago.

That's a good point, and I agree with you.

So, should we just rest on our laurels, and wait until the takers far outnumber the givers? What happens then?


As those who've read many of my posts will agree, I profess to have a lot of answers. Regarding what we should do while the nation disintegrates around us, I don't have one. One thing I do strongly believe is that going all Timothy McVeigh is NOT the answer.
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#3674428 - 05/20/14 04:55 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Bambi Buster]
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Barry Goldwater was defeated because of shameful establishment types desparging the true conservatives - much like they do today!
Don't let Reagan be discounted though - he won 2 decided landslides when the same folks who discredited Goldwater also tried to discredit Reagan.
Your comments seem very defeatist - just the type that got us in this mess to begin with. And just the type of attitude that kept millions of conservatives at home for the last election and got that Marxist re-elected.

The baby boomers didn't do a very good job training and teaching the subsequent generations, and elected the jokers who got us in this mess.

We all, regardless of age, have a responsibility to do everything in our power and abilities to preserve our liberty for our children & grandchildren.

Of course, I mean NO disrespect.
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#3674429 - 05/20/14 04:56 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: The ScubaCamper]
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Hillary won't even be on the ballot in November 2016. Mark my words. You read it here.
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#3674538 - 05/20/14 08:38 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: The ScubaCamper]
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Barry Goldwater was defeated because of shameful establishment types desparging the true conservatives - much like they do today!

I was not quite old enough to vote for him, but I followed that election very closely, to the extent that 2 daily newspapers, 3 television stations and 3 weekly news magazines could allow. I don't remember it that way, nor does history. Goldwater was an underdog to begin with. "Shameful establishment types" do not make for a 61% to 38% shellacking.


Don't let Reagan be discounted though - he won 2 decided landslides when the same folks who discredited Goldwater also tried to discredit Reagan.

While not a true conservative in many respects, I'll agree Reagan was by far the most conservative president since at least the 1950s. He was not, however, remotely in the mold of Goldwater. He also had the benefit of running against Jimmy Carter and the ongoing Iran hostage crisis. He also had a truly unique and gifted personality that greatly enhanced his electability. I don't see any latter-day Reagans on the horizon.


Your comments seem very defeatist - just the type that got us in this mess to begin with. And just the type of attitude that kept millions of conservatives at home for the last election and got that Marxist re-elected.

I prefer to think of myself as a realist. A defeatist is someone who doesn't vote because his favorite isn't running. Big difference. I've voted in every Presidential election since 1972.

The baby boomers didn't do a very good job training and teaching the subsequent generations, and elected the jokers who got us in this mess.

You'll get no argument from me there. I'll further state that the track record of the baby boomers isn't a lot better than their descendants.

We all, regardless of age, have a responsibility to do everything in our power and abilities to preserve our liberty for our children & grandchildren.

Of course, I mean NO disrespect.
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#3674540 - 05/20/14 08:38 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Jugfish]
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Hillary won't even be on the ballot in November 2016. Mark my words. You read it here.


Marked and duly noted.
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#3674885 - 05/21/14 11:06 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Bambi Buster]
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The more I watch and learn about our political process, the more I see that most politicians view this as nothing more than a game of popularity and power, instead of great responsibility and opportunity.

I keep getting the impression that today's culture (largly manipulated by the DNC's "Praetorian Guard"* - aka, media), just wants someone "cool" and "real" instead of someone mature, full of integrity, who can be trusted to guide this country in the direction specified by the U.S. Constitution.

Honor and integrity are lame, old-fashioned notions that are outdated and useless in today's dog-eat-dog world!

Our rights and liberty be damned - winning is the only thing that has any importance!

Sadly, "the ends justify the means" is growing exponentially in popularity.

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#3674934 - 05/21/14 12:39 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: The ScubaCamper]
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The more I watch and learn about our political process, the more I see that most career politicians view this as nothing more than a game of popularity, power, and CONTROL, instead of great responsibility and opportunity to make America better.


Fixed it for you (or maybe Mr. Levin). Brilliant deduction, and spot on.

Instead of pushing the concepts of individual liberty and freedom (things that made America Great and enabled her to accomplish so much more than the rest of the world combined), most politicians are pushing their control of others. It may be they are more a bunch of "control freaks" more than they seek even power and popularity.

What they are is a bunch of control freaks who are out of control. There, I said it, Hillary is a "control freak". And pompous Obama is a yet more arrogant "control freak". Great pretenders who know everything yet know nothing.

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#3674952 - 05/21/14 01:08 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wes Parrish]
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...And then I imagine being a law-maker and imagine seeing bill after bill come across my desk for consideration - seeing all these numbers - countless dollars of astronomical amounts that are increasingly more difficult to comprehend.

If I saw bills with costs upwards of $15,456,475,144.54 (just a made-up number), it would make my eyes glass-over and the temptation would be to have the actual costs of programs quickly become 2nd to the goal of the bill.

To me, it certainly explains the way these drunken marxists spend money - they're completely disengaged to the actual costs and the actual ramifications of their actions!

And THEN think about: "if we go over-budget, we can just crank up the presses - who cares about inflation?? that's something that won't happen until I'm long gone!"

We send these people as our servants, intended to represent us, since we can't go - (be it, don't have time, money, intelligence, or any other littany of reasons). How do they repay us? By lecturing US why legislation is good or bad, as if we're idiots who somehow forgot how to read.

And then we FINALLY get a citizen representative to put his/her career on hold for the good of our country (see: Bevin and others), and they fail to get elected - not because of what they stand for, but because the opposition - the incumbent, attempts to completely destroy and de-legitimize their opposition (if you can't beat them on principle, attack their credibility!).

So who's to blame? The media for their irresponsible peddling of the false messages of the left, or the selfish, narcissistic populous?
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#3674989 - 05/21/14 01:45 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: The ScubaCamper]
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Back to the thread:
I'm in the small camp that thinks she won't run. Rumors of her health have been swirling for months and are now public. Rove threw down the gauntlet planting that seed in her head about her medical records. She is enjoying the media attention and making money, but I don't think she can make it through a 2 year campaign. I'm more concerned about Elizebeth Warren.
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#3674995 - 05/21/14 02:09 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: JWW4]
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#3675014 - 05/21/14 03:24 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: The ScubaCamper]
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We send these people as our servants, intended to represent us, since we can't go - (be it, don't have time, money, intelligence, or any other littany of reasons). How do they repay us? By lecturing US why legislation is good or bad, as if we're idiots who somehow forgot how to read.

And then we FINALLY get a citizen representative to put his/her career on hold for the good of our country (see: Bevin and others), and they fail to get elected - not because of what they stand for, but because the opposition - the incumbent, attempts to completely destroy and de-legitimize their opposition (if you can't beat them on principle, attack their credibility!).

So who's to blame? The media for their irresponsible peddling of the false messages of the left, or the selfish, narcissistic populous?

There's plenty of "blame" to go around, but imo, only one solution:

An uprising of citizens demanding SINGLE TERM LIMITS,
making term limits, specifically SINGLE term limits, a major issue determining who get the votes.

In the meantime, as long as we have "career" politicians, these people will continue, over time, to cause more problems than they solve. It has been republican career politicians as much as democratic ones who have done the damage, growing government, raising taxes, creating new taxes, new regulations requiring even more new taxes, all in direct competition to our formerly free enterprise system.

Can you believe that prior to 1913, we didn't even have an income tax? When enacted in 1913, only those who made $20,000 or more (something comparable to $200,000 today) were to pay this tax, which was "only" 1%. It was "popularized" with the masses, only going to be on those big wealthy fat cats, trust us, we're the government. Income taxes "progressively" went up, especially during the "Roaring 20's", and may have been a much greater factor in creating the Great Depression than most scholars have realized. In little more than a decade, the national income tax had increased from "only" 1% only on the wealthy, to 10% (and more), and including 1.5% on those making only $2,000 a year, by the Year 1925.

We've been growing government and growing taxes, all kinds of new ones, on a grand scale now since 1913, but only since 1913. The current fiscal "mess" our country finds itself was not caused solely by Barack Obama, nor democrats, so much as it has been caused by career politicians.

So long as we have career politicians, THEIR number one goal is going to be to get re-elected and to GROW government similarly to how a big corporate CEO grows a big business.

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#3675017 - 05/21/14 03:33 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wes Parrish]
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Well said, Wes!
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#3681167 - 05/31/14 10:14 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: The ScubaCamper]
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Hillary is putting out a new book ahead of her POTENTIAL run for President in 2016 --- she's not only "testing the waters" but attempting to pollute them with misinformation?

Fact Check: Clinton’s Benghazi chapter has holes, lots of them.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/05/31/fact-check-clintons-benghazi-chapter-has-holes/

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#3696741 - 06/23/14 04:30 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wes Parrish]
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Hillary Run for President 2016 . . . . . . It's Over.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...ous-wealth.html

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#3696754 - 06/23/14 04:51 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
Hillary Run for President 2016 . . . . . . It's Over.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...ous-wealth.html



I can speak from talking to some of the White House staff that what they are saying about Hillary is 100% true.

Some might remember that me and members of my family were invited to the White House for a personal tour, we go to do things other people would never get to do. They do not have a public water fountain and we could not bring in anything from outside except our cameras so they took us into the dinning room and the kitchen and a couple of the servants gave us something to drink. Those people worked at the White House for years and had gone though several presidents. We talked to them and every one of them to a person all said that the Clintons were the worst. The Clintons treated them all as their personal servants and always put them down in their place, NEVER a kind word, not ever when one's mother died. They told us that Hillary was a Queen and demanded to be treated that way. they said the best were both Bush's, they treated all White House workers like family. Birthdays, deaths and wedding anniversaries all were talked about by the Bush's to each staff member as they happened. They would never dream of doing that around Queen Hillary and the staff we talked to were both black and white people, they all said the same things about Hillary.
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#3696774 - 06/23/14 05:31 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wildcat]
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Those people worked at the White House for years and had gone though several presidents. We talked to them and every one of them to a person all said that the Clintons were the worst. The Clintons treated them all as their personal servants and always put them down . . . .

Ah, but that was before the Obamas CHANGED things?

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#3696786 - 06/23/14 06:08 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wildcat]
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 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
Hillary Run for President 2016 . . . . . . It's Over.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...ous-wealth.html



I can speak from talking to some of the White House staff that what they are saying about Hillary is 100% true.

Some might remember that me and members of my family were invited to the White House for a personal tour, we go to do things other people would never get to do. They do not have a public water fountain and we could not bring in anything from outside except our cameras so they took us into the dinning room and the kitchen and a couple of the servants gave us something to drink. Those people worked at the White House for years and had gone though several presidents. We talked to them and every one of them to a person all said that the Clintons were the worst. The Clintons treated them all as their personal servants and always put them down in their place, NEVER a kind word, not ever when one's mother died. They told us that Hillary was a Queen and demanded to be treated that way. they said the best were both Bush's, they treated all White House workers like family. Birthdays, deaths and wedding anniversaries all were talked about by the Bush's to each staff member as they happened. They would never dream of doing that around Queen Hillary and the staff we talked to were both black and white people, they all said the same things about Hillary.


Mere bumps in the road, if even that. The Hildabeest's campaign isn't over. It hasn't even gotten warmed up yet.
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#3696789 - 06/23/14 06:18 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Bambi Buster]
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The democratic machine will find someone they believe better,
just as they did in 2008 (which WAS Hillary's best opportunity).

Right now, June 2014 is what June 2006 was to the 2008 Presidential election (time wise). Almost no one had even heard of Barack Obama in June 2006, yet the democratic machine saw him as their more hopeful candidate, and pushed him ahead of Hillary. Same will happen again should Hillary gain any traction in her primary bid.

On the other hand, it is certainly possible the democratic machine sees no democrat winning in 2016, and may just let Hillary have it (the primary, not the Presidency). In either case, Hillary is a less attractive candidate now than she was in 2008.

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#3696812 - 06/23/14 06:54 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Bambi Buster]
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 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
Hillary Run for President 2016 . . . . . . It's Over.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...ous-wealth.html



I can speak from talking to some of the White House staff that what they are saying about Hillary is 100% true.

Some might remember that me and members of my family were invited to the White House for a personal tour, we go to do things other people would never get to do. They do not have a public water fountain and we could not bring in anything from outside except our cameras so they took us into the dinning room and the kitchen and a couple of the servants gave us something to drink. Those people worked at the White House for years and had gone though several presidents. We talked to them and every one of them to a person all said that the Clintons were the worst. The Clintons treated them all as their personal servants and always put them down in their place, NEVER a kind word, not ever when one's mother died. They told us that Hillary was a Queen and demanded to be treated that way. they said the best were both Bush's, they treated all White House workers like family. Birthdays, deaths and wedding anniversaries all were talked about by the Bush's to each staff member as they happened. They would never dream of doing that around Queen Hillary and the staff we talked to were both black and white people, they all said the same things about Hillary.


Mere bumps in the road, if even that. The Hildabeest's campaign isn't over. It hasn't even gotten warmed up yet.


Yes they were bumps in the road, very few people know about it and ever fewer people care as long as it doesn't happen to them.

Not to worry, she WILL get support from BOTH sides and be a shoot in to the White House.
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#3696813 - 06/23/14 06:56 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
The democratic machine will find someone they believe better,
just as they did in 2008 (which WAS Hillary's best opportunity).

Right now, June 2014 is what June 2006 was to the 2008 Presidential election (time wise). Almost no one had even heard of Barack Obama in June 2006, yet the democratic machine saw him as their more hopeful candidate, and pushed him ahead of Hillary. Same will happen again should Hillary gain any traction in her primary bid.

On the other hand, it is certainly possible the democratic machine sees no democrat winning in 2016, and may just let Hillary have it (the primary, not the Presidency). In either case, Hillary is a less attractive candidate now than she was in 2008.

I agree with the part about her being a less attractive candidate than in 2008, but thanks to the 22nd Amendment, her most formidable opponent is unable to run. The only way she'll lose the nomination is if Michelle decides to run.
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#3696814 - 06/23/14 06:57 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
The democratic machine will find someone they believe better,
just as they did in 2008 (which WAS Hillary's best opportunity).

Right now, June 2014 is what June 2006 was to the 2008 Presidential election (time wise). Almost no one had even heard of Barack Obama in June 2006, yet the democratic machine saw him as their more hopeful candidate, and pushed him ahead of Hillary. Same will happen again should Hillary gain any traction in her primary bid.

On the other hand, it is certainly possible the democratic machine sees no democrat winning in 2016, and may just let Hillary have it (the primary, not the Presidency). In either case, Hillary is a less attractive candidate now than she was in 2008.


Wes, you worry too much. Watch the primaries in 2016, one side will eat each other alive while the other will help Hillary with everything.
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#3697072 - 06/24/14 07:54 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
Hillary Run for President 2016 . . . . . . It's Over.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...ous-wealth.html



It's ok. She's here to save us.

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#3697083 - 06/24/14 08:15 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Jugfish]
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Hillary won't even be on the ballot in November 2016. Mark my words. You read it here.


What do you base your prediction on? I agree with you based on her health. According to Ed Klein's new book Blood Feud: The Clintons vs. the Obamas, she is in poor health. So much so that if she could withstand the physical/mental demands of a campaign, when her medical records are released that will ruin her chances.
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#3697108 - 06/24/14 09:02 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: farmin68]
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 Originally Posted By: farmin68
 Originally Posted By: Jugfish
Hillary won't even be on the ballot in November 2016. Mark my words. You read it here.


What do you base your prediction on? I agree with you based on her health. According to Ed Klein's new book Blood Feud: The Clintons vs. the Obamas, she is in poor health. So much so that if she could withstand the physical/mental demands of a campaign, when her medical records are released that will ruin her chances.


Since she;s a "D", Hildebeast isn't likely to produce any medical records. If she does they won't be worth the paper they're printed on... Either that or the Dr.'s hard drive will crash, be destroyed and then any server they're saved on will mysteriously catch fire...
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#3697249 - 06/24/14 01:20 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: farmin68]
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 Originally Posted By: farmin68
 Originally Posted By: Jugfish
Hillary won't even be on the ballot in November 2016. Mark my words. You read it here.


What do you base your prediction on? I agree with you based on her health. According to Ed Klein's new book Blood Feud: The Clintons vs. the Obamas, she is in poor health. So much so that if she could withstand the physical/mental demands of a campaign, when her medical records are released that will ruin her chances.


I hope you're right Farmin. Who do you thinkin the Ds will run?
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#3697299 - 06/24/14 03:19 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: The_Utility_Dude]
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I think it's mostly a question of who the Repubs run against her, assuming she wins the Dem nomination which is not a foregone conclusion. Personally, I think Hillary is the perfect candidate to go up against. She's arrogant and has a penchant for inserting foot in mouth. Look at her trying to pretend to not be rich, and now she's got Chelsea in on the act. We were "flat broke" when we left the White House in 2001. Yeah, flat broke people buy multi-million dollar homes in Westchester County so they can run for senator of NY. Bill grew up poor and still knew how to relate to the poor and working class. Ms. Rodham grew up a rich WASP and has never been able to relate to people who were beneath her socio economic strata and not an Ivy. She has such a long list of statements, books, other baggage to use against her. Talk about enemies. They will come out of the woodwork just like they did in 2008. The "what difference does it make" will be played over and over and is sympomatic of her - she's great when all is going her way, but when the going gets tough, she gets bitchy and it's going to be tough. And, always remember that 2008 was supposed to be her nomination. This feels like 2006/2007 in more ways than one to me. Notice that I haven't mentioned anything until now about her health.

I don't care who gets the Dem nomination. Right now, it seems to be either Hillary or Biden. Either will be extremely vulnerable. The key will be the right Repub. No RINO like a Christie or Rubio and certainly no Romney or Bush. Sorry, someone on the far right like a Cruz or Santorum isn't going to work. No independents or suburban housewives will vote for either of them and you won't get elected without those votes. I'm not sure of Jindal. Don't know enough about him. I'm still very partial to Paul and think he strikes the most fear in the Dems. While Cruz is shutting down the gov't, Paul filibusters against NDAA and drone strikes against Americans. Lots of independents and disenchanted Dems will vote for him and his Libertarian cred will resonate for those Repubs longing for true limited government, fiscal responsibility, reduced taxes, and tired of the empire.

Sadly, part of me wants Hillary to win so that when the crash occurs in 2016/17, it's her and the Dems that get the blame.
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#3697308 - 06/24/14 03:35 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Bambi Buster]
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Don't know if he's too far right for the masses but I'd like to see Scott Walker run. What he's done in Wisconsin is miraculous.

http://walker.wi.gov/governor-office/timeline-accomplishments


Edited by The_Utility_Dude (06/24/14 03:37 PM)
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#3697338 - 06/24/14 04:27 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: The_Utility_Dude]
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 Originally Posted By: The_Utility_Dude
Don't know if he's too far right for the masses but I'd like to see Scott Walker run. What he's done in Wisconsin is miraculous.

http://walker.wi.gov/governor-office/timeline-accomplishments


I agree. Don't know enough about him, but sure like what he did to the public employees union.

This is what I'm talking about when it comes to the Clintons and Hillary in particular. Chelsea makes me sick. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-24...bout-money-and- Wouldn't we all like to have the opportunity to be "curious to see if we care about money." This is how out of touch they are. Gee, poor Chelsea has to go work for mommy and daddy because she determined she doesn't "care" about money on a "fundamental level" after working for Goldman Sachs and a $600,000/year "journalism" gig for some occasional work for NBC. Now she "has to" work for mommy and daddy's non-profit. Unlike other "young adults" her age who are boomerang kids having to live in mom and dad's basement because the economy overseen by the Fed and the favored Rubinite in the White House only benefits the 0.1% like herself and her parents and isn't producing jobs for that critical 22-35 year demographic (watch out Dems a lot of those kids are Libertarians), she only has to "work for," not live with, mommy and daddy to benefit mommy's presidential aspirations. Can't have Chelsea doing no work for a 600 handle or, heaven forbid, working for an FDIC insured hedge fund. Now that she has learned that she doesn't "care for" money, she can quit the grind get all aspirational and stuff. Luckily for her, Chelsea doesn't have to move back in and live in one of mommy and daddy's several mansion basements, or carriage houses. She can still reside with her banker husband in their $10 million Gramercy Park apartment. I guess he's still trying to figure out if he "cares about money."
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#3697938 - 06/25/14 02:40 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: OHVATN]
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If she runs she will win, because she is a woman. That is the #1 reason she will win. I may have said this on this thread before (too long to read back through it) but i have had women who vote republican or conservative tell me if she runs, they'd "HAVE" to vote for her. When I asked why, I got, "well I like her". When I asked why, I got, "Well I just like her." No reason, no logic, just like her.

Of course they don't want to say why they like her, because their reason is she is a woman...

we voted a black man in because of his color and now we will get a woman for her gender. We are doomed....
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#3698121 - 06/25/14 08:15 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Bone Collector]
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Yet but the latest reason I'm saying she will NOT be the democratic candidate for President in 2016:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/06/...ith-2-1-rating/

 Originally Posted By: Bone Collector
. . . . we voted a black man in because of his color and now we will get a woman for her gender. We are doomed....

OK, then, by your reasoning, all the republicans need to do is get some unknown black woman to run for President and she would beat Hillary?

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#3698148 - 06/25/14 09:02 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: The_Utility_Dude]
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 Originally Posted By: farmin68
 Originally Posted By: Jugfish
Hillary won't even be on the ballot in November 2016. Mark my words. You read it here.


What do you base your prediction on? I agree with you based on her health. According to Ed Klein's new book Blood Feud: The Clintons vs. the Obamas, she is in poor health. So much so that if she could withstand the physical/mental demands of a campaign, when her medical records are released that will ruin her chances.


I hope you're right Farmin. Who do you thinkin the Ds will run?


I have no idea. Biden definitely wants it but I don't think that clown is electable.
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#3698496 - 06/26/14 12:35 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: farmin68]
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Looks like Hillary has a very problematic "Mr. Weiner" further complicating her presidential aspirations.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/26/hillary-clinton-has-secret-deal-keep-anthony-weine/

Mrs. Clinton never knows when or where Mr. Weiner is going to pop up next.

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#3698506 - 06/26/14 12:51 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wes Parrish]
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\:D \:D \:D I see what you did there!

Neither does Bill! \:D
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#3699099 - 06/27/14 11:06 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: MUP]
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Hillary is not just upset by these Weiners.

Apparently, another thing she has going against her is Obama's dishonesty.

http://nypost.com/2014/06/27/hillary-called-obama-a-joke-at-lunch-with-pals-book/

Clinton confided to her unnamed pals that she and Bill promised the Obamas they would work to get him re-elected in 2012 if he promised to return the favor and help Hillary win the presidency four years later.

“He agreed to the arrangement but then he reneged on the deal. His word isn’t worth s–t,” Hillary said, according to Klein’s book.

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#3699980 - 06/29/14 08:34 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wes Parrish]
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\:D And it only took her this long to figure that out?! \:D Sheesh Don't think I'd want such a slow learner in the WH, especially with all her other short comings!
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#3699981 - 06/29/14 08:36 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wes Parrish]
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\:D And it only took her this long to figure that out?! \:D Sheesh Don't think I'd want such a slow learner in the WH, especially with all her other short comings!
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#3703787 - 07/06/14 10:51 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: MUP]
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THIS might actually HELP Hillary?

Obama endorses Elizabeth Warren for President in 2016

http://nypost.com/2014/07/06/this-means-warren-obama-backs-challenger-to-hillary/

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#3703886 - 07/06/14 03:47 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: sgtwebb1]
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 Originally Posted By: sgtwebb1
 Originally Posted By: MUP
If she does, it will be born of pure ignorance from the voters, and pure evil allowing her to even be considered as eligible to run in the first place.


Yep, exactly like 2008 and 2012.


She will win because people are stupid
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