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#3311169 - 08/03/13 11:48 PM Why Hillary will win in 2016
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I don't like it, in fact I loathe it, but barring an unforeseeable radical event, far more devastating than 9/11/2001, it's inevitable that if she runs, she'll win in a landslide. The article at the link lays out the reasons.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...medium=facebook
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#3311189 - 08/04/13 01:10 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Bambi Buster]
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Hate to have to agree but I believe she will win as well.
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#3311207 - 08/04/13 06:19 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: hunter0925]
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I agree, I've been thinking the same ever since she was before the House hearings.
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#3311256 - 08/04/13 08:00 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wildcat]
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I disagree.
She MAY win the democrat nomination, but even that is doubtful.

A lot will CHANGE during the next 3 years, including the rise of new stars who will be more appealing (which is exactly why Obama beat her out in 2008, which WAS her only real opportunity).

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#3311390 - 08/04/13 10:41 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wes Parrish]
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If the electorate nominates another RINO, she wins.

If we do not put forth a conservative, then we haven't learning anything yet and we don't deserve a win anyway.

If America allows HIllary to skate on Benghazi, then we deserve everything we get.
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#3311401 - 08/04/13 10:50 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Bambi Buster]
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 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
...........but barring an unforeseeable radical event, far more devastating than 9/11/2001........


It would seem we may be on the eve of just such an event.

Have you been following the terrorism alerts these past few days. If so, do you think this is one of them "Wag the dog" scenarios?

Given the heat and attention of domestic surveillance, could it be this administration need a "Win" to prove their case - A crisis created to justify the surveillance of citizens's e-mail, phone records, internet searches etc.

Am I just a paranoid, RWNJ?
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#3311474 - 08/04/13 12:14 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Crappie Luck]
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Elitist Pubs will put up a week-kneed Rino like McCain or Romney.
All the while keeping true conservatives at arms length.

Hag for the win imo......unless Pubs get their scat together.

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#3311516 - 08/04/13 01:17 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: preds1]
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If she does, it will be born of pure ignorance from the voters, and pure evil allowing her to even be considered as eligible to run in the first place.
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#3311529 - 08/04/13 01:29 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: MUP]
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 Originally Posted By: MUP
If she does, it will be born of pure ignorance from the voters, and pure evil allowing her to even be considered as eligible to run in the first place.


Yep, exactly like 2008 and 2012.
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#3311544 - 08/04/13 02:02 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: sgtwebb1]
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 Originally Posted By: sgtwebb1
 Originally Posted By: MUP
If she does, it will be born of pure ignorance from the voters, and pure evil allowing her to even be considered as eligible to run in the first place.


Yep, exactly like 2008 and 2012.


Yep, for sure.

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#3311551 - 08/04/13 02:09 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: preds1]
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 Originally Posted By: preds1
 Originally Posted By: sgtwebb1
 Originally Posted By: MUP
If she does, it will be born of pure ignorance from the voters, and pure evil allowing her to even be considered as eligible to run in the first place.


Yep, exactly like 2008 and 2012.


Yep, for sure.


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#3311558 - 08/04/13 02:15 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
If the electorate nominates another RINO, she wins.

If we do not put forth a conservative, then we haven't learning anything yet and we don't deserve a win anyway.

If America allows HIllary to skate on Benghazi, then we deserve everything we get.


There aren't any who are electable, which is the root cause of the problem. It all goes back to universal suffrage, the Achilles' heel of representative government. The takers now outnumber the makers, and they can and do vote.
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#3311578 - 08/04/13 02:47 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Bambi Buster]
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I still don't believe the takers outnumber the makers. Specifically in terms of voting.

But this is only true when the conservatives or makers VOTE. The last two Presidential elections a large number of them sat out because they refused to vote for the lesser of two evils. But they proved they are out there in 2010.

I do concede the Unelectable part. Most because we eat our own and attack our best chances over media created "scandals" and hyped skeletons in the closet.

We'll never have another conservative as long we we continue to allow the media and establishment republicans chose our candidates for us.

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#3311731 - 08/04/13 06:08 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Bambi Buster]
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 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: preds1
 Originally Posted By: sgtwebb1
 Originally Posted By: MUP
If she does, it will be born of pure ignorance from the voters, and pure evil allowing her to even be considered as eligible to run in the first place.


Yep, exactly like 2008 and 2012.


Yep, for sure.


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#3311743 - 08/04/13 06:18 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: preds1]
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Certain conservatives will do the very same thing they did in the last two elections, they will STAY HOME AND NOT VOTE in enough numbers in key states allowing Hillary to win easy.

If a second term of Obama didn't bring them out there is no way in all heck they will worry about Hillary getting in the White House.

They will say it didn't mater because Obama did NOT win in their state. The problem is they spread that same view to conservatives in states that does mater causing them to STAY HOME.
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#3311761 - 08/04/13 06:43 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
I still don't believe the takers outnumber the makers. Specifically in terms of voting.

But this is only true when the conservatives or makers VOTE. The last two Presidential elections a large number of them sat out because they refused to vote for the lesser of two evils. But they proved they are out there in 2010.

I do concede the Unelectable part. Most because we eat our own and attack our best chances over media created "scandals" and hyped skeletons in the closet.

We'll never have another conservative as long we we continue to allow the media and establishment republicans chose our candidates for us.



Look at the last 4 primaries over the last 16 years. The ones that put their hat in the ring was attacked 24/7/365 by everybody that did not agree with them and I'm not talking about the democrats but other "Republicans".

The last 4 saw more attacks by Republicans against other Republicans than I have seen in my adult lifetime.

Look at Ron Paul's supporters. Ever when it was mathematically impossible for him to win they kept on attacking Romney ever after all the primaries was over the well into the General Election against Obama.

The Democrats just set back and watched it all unfold then went on their own attacks winning the election.

If you think the media was in love with Obama think about how they are with Hillary.
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#3311769 - 08/04/13 06:51 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wildcat]
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If you think there is a chance a conservative ever wins another presidential race, I've got some property along Pennsylvania Avenue I'll sell you on the cheap. There are nearly as many non-whites as whites, nearly as many people on the take from the government as paying taxes, a grossly undereducated population and a large liberal media working against it. That, my friends, is how you win the White House these days. If Hildebeast had been Condoleezza Rice under W, does anyone think for a second she'd ever have her name uttered for another political post or as a candidate for anything?

Y'all need to sit back and enjoy what we have left to enjoy. It's getting chipped away as we speak and there aren't enough of us to stop it. I'll be the first to admit I'm wrong on this and I really hope that I am for the sake of our kids and their kids.

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#3311856 - 08/04/13 08:07 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Hangnail]
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Our only hope is she falls ill in the next 3 years. Not wishing, just saying.
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#3311889 - 08/04/13 08:27 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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 Originally Posted By: Pic IN the Casa
Our only hope is she falls ill in the next 3 years. Not wishing, just saying.


I was thinking the very same thing. The only thing that will keep her out is a stroke and it will have to be a major one. A small or mid one and she will still win.
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#3311918 - 08/04/13 08:44 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wildcat]
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She has already won..... I predict that all the sudden in the very near future a "special operation" will take back the embassy in Benghazi and gain many muslim friends. That will, or something very similar will happen, and when it does the election will simply be a waste of time. The public is too dumb to save themselves from what is coming.

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#3312050 - 08/04/13 09:45 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Fordman]
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 Originally Posted By: Fordman
She has already won..... I predict that all the sudden in the very near future a "special operation" will take back the embassy in Benghazi and gain many muslim friends. That will, or something very similar will happen, and when it does the election will simply be a waste of time. The public is too dumb to save themselves from what is coming.



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Why would we want to "take back the embassy in Benghazi?" To begin with, it's not an embassy, it's a consulate. The U.S. Embassy is in Tripoli, and as of Sunday evening anyway, still very much in American hands.
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#3312053 - 08/04/13 09:46 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Hangnail]
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 Originally Posted By: Hangnail
If you think there is a chance a conservative ever wins another presidential race, I've got some property along Pennsylvania Avenue I'll sell you on the cheap. There are nearly as many non-whites as whites, nearly as many people on the take from the government as paying taxes, a grossly undereducated population and a large liberal media working against it. That, my friends, is how you win the White House these days. If Hildebeast had been Condoleezza Rice under W, does anyone think for a second she'd ever have her name uttered for another political post or as a candidate for anything?

Y'all need to sit back and enjoy what we have left to enjoy. It's getting chipped away as we speak and there aren't enough of us to stop it. I'll be the first to admit I'm wrong on this and I really hope that I am for the sake of our kids and their kids.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This. Exactly.
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#3312094 - 08/04/13 10:25 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Fordman]
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#3312352 - 08/05/13 09:15 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Bambi Buster]
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 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: Hangnail
If you think there is a chance a conservative ever wins another presidential race, I've got some property along Pennsylvania Avenue I'll sell you on the cheap. There are nearly as many non-whites as whites, nearly as many people on the take from the government as paying taxes, a grossly undereducated population and a large liberal media working against it. That, my friends, is how you win the White House these days. If Hildebeast had been Condoleezza Rice under W, does anyone think for a second she'd ever have her name uttered for another political post or as a candidate for anything?

Y'all need to sit back and enjoy what we have left to enjoy. It's getting chipped away as we speak and there aren't enough of us to stop it. I'll be the first to admit I'm wrong on this and I really hope that I am for the sake of our kids and their kids.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This. Exactly.



This, plus an easy 3-5% voter fraud will keep the Democrats in power.
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#3312537 - 08/05/13 01:23 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Rebel]
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#3312599 - 08/05/13 02:57 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: preds1]
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all the runners are hilary's, one is as bad as another. It's up to the people to diminish the power of government, but that isn't likely to happen simply because the people haven't a clue how to do it or even how government is empowered in the first place.

I can say this with 100% certainty, as long as gas prices remain as insulting as they are, government will grow, not diminish. When one person abuses another for gain government is born, as the abuse grows so does government. Energy prices are a gigantic abuse, the increase in government will match it.

A person may say that with the election of the right people government can refuse to grow and get out of peoples lives. This is true, but the effect will be catastrophic. Abuses of the people by the people will be devastating and bring about in future elections a longing for a hilary compared to what the country will get.

Love your neighbor... It's not a suggestion. Just why I said "It isn't likely to happen", the country has little desire to love anyone but themselves and that is a steroid to government.

All the hilary's could be reduced to a foot note in history if the country just stopped screwing everyone over for personal gain. A hand out is not what I'm talking about, I'm talking about treating others as ourselves, as you would your grandmother, not as someone to swindle out of everything you can.
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#3313009 - 08/05/13 09:17 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: nodog]
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Nodog is right.

Until more people wake up and understand that there is only 2 political positions its a trip on the treadmill.

1. Self Governance (small government)
2. Centralized Government (liberals,statists, socialists,democrats, RINO's, big government)

Anytime we are separated into groups, centralized government wins. It is easy to pit neighbor against neighbor.

Everybody wants to "win" even to the point of supporting "their team" without understanding their policy positions.
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#3313841 - 08/06/13 05:19 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: fishboy1]
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These latest polls only add to my belief that Hillary will not be our next President.

http://www.newsmax.com/newswidget/Hillar...gn=widgetphase2

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is the candidate voters would least likely want to win the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination, a new poll has found.

According to the Rasmussen Reports survey of 1,000 likely voters, 27 percent say they would least like to see her win the Democratic nomination, compared to 24 percent who say the same about Vice President Joe Biden.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/...ampaign=foxnews

A Monmouth University poll released late last week was notable for the fact that, like many other polls, it showed President Obama upside down on job approval with registered voters--41% approve to 54% disapprove. A closer look, though, reveals the poll's most startling find: Obama has lost credibility with the middle class. When asked if Obama is sincere about refocusing his presidency on the middle class, only 46% believe it, while a full 50% do not.

Independents are more skeptical than overall voters. A full 54% don't believe the president, while only 42% do.

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#3313845 - 08/06/13 05:23 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wes Parrish]
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Hmmm. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-06/us-files-criminal-charges-benghazi-attack

I'm sure we'll never know ......
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#3314052 - 08/06/13 08:38 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: OHVATN]
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Arrest warrant? Seriously?

They Drone US citizens to death without due process, but issue an unenforceable "arrest warrant" against foreign nationals in a foreign country. ZERO jurisdiction.

Its a PR ploy. "see we are doing something, now move along"
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#3314475 - 08/07/13 08:25 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: fishboy1]
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Hillary brings out women to vote.

She also brings out the largest segment of voters to vote against her.

She's been the "inevitable" next President for 12 years now.
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#3314546 - 08/07/13 09:19 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
Hillary brings out women to vote.

That HAS been true.

But with all the democratic operatives focus on YOUNG voters and MINORITY voters, I believe Hillary will be a much less appealing candidate to the "women" voters of 2016, which as a group, will be composed of more young and more minority women. There will also be more young and more minority men, few of which will find Hillary an appealing candidate.

What Hillary has at the moment is name recognition against unknown candidates. The current unknown candidates will become known as 2016 approaches.

Now, these young and minority women MAY be drawn more towards the democratic brand of politics, but I believe they are drawn more towards charisma and to what extent they believe the campaign rhetoric coming from the candidate. A younger, more vibrant candidate could be much more appealing to these women, even if he/she might be a republican candidate. Could this be much of the reason Barack Obama beat out Hillary in 2008?

And don't overlook the fact that track record and prior experience means little to those who make their decisions based more emotion. Again, we present the previously unknown, relatively young and charismatic Barack Obama. The fact that Hillary has possibly improved her resume during the 8-yr period of 2008-2016 is mostly irrelevant, while any attempt to focus on her role as Secretary of State may turn up more negatives than positives.

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#3320386 - 08/12/13 02:45 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wes Parrish]
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I honestly have no clue who will win the next election and I honestly don't care anymore. America has proven we are stupid and we deserve everything we get. All I know is I'm taking care of my own and what happens, happens.

I tried hard, I really did, but when "America" re-elected Obama, I knew then it was over. There's no turning back and it was a very difficult pill to swallow. However, I've swallowed it and now I'm going to enjoy what little freedoms I have left.

We are officially now too divided as a country and the bad guys outweigh the good. They really do. So, again, I really don't care anymore who wins.

At this point, we just sit back and watch Revelations play out how God intended.
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#3320426 - 08/12/13 03:54 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Tennessee Todd]
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 Originally Posted By: Tennessee Todd
I tried hard, I really did, but when "America" re-elected Obama, I knew then it was over. There's no turning back and it was a very difficult pill to swallow. However, I've swallowed it and now I'm going to enjoy what little freedoms I have left.


^^ This. ^^
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#3320453 - 08/12/13 04:24 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Still-n-Quiet]
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 Originally Posted By: Still-n-Quiet
 Originally Posted By: Tennessee Todd
I tried hard, I really did, but when "America" re-elected Obama, I knew then it was over. There's no turning back and it was a very difficult pill to swallow. However, I've swallowed it and now I'm going to enjoy what little freedoms I have left.


^^ This. ^^

I agree, I don't believe ANYONE will be elected that could save this country now. Corruption runs rampant in both parties, at all levels. They are just rearranging deck chairs on the Titantic.
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#3320476 - 08/12/13 04:52 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: dr]
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Straight up post TT.
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#3320557 - 08/12/13 05:55 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Tennessee Todd]
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 Originally Posted By: Tennessee Todd
I honestly have no clue who will win the next election and I honestly don't care anymore. America has proven we are stupid and we deserve everything we get. All I know is I'm taking care of my own and what happens, happens.

I tried hard, I really did, but when "America" re-elected Obama, I knew then it was over. There's no turning back and it was a very difficult pill to swallow. However, I've swallowed it and now I'm going to enjoy what little freedoms I have left.

We are officially now too divided as a country and the bad guys outweigh the good. They really do. So, again, I really don't care anymore who wins.

At this point, we just sit back and watch Revelations play out how God intended.



Same here except this up coming election will be the last one I will care about if Hillary wins. People have already started saying they will stay home is certain people are not on the ticket. If they do then it's over for good.
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#3320571 - 08/12/13 06:08 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wildcat]
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I'm not too far from retirement, and will move back in the woods, off the grid if needed. The thing that worries me most is what my kids, and grand kids will have to endure. I will not take kindly to the people that voted for this mess.
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#3320581 - 08/12/13 06:15 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Tennessee Todd]
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America has proven we are stupid and we deserve everything we get. . . . . .

We are officially now too divided as a country and the bad guys outweigh the good. They really do.

Sometimes all it takes is a few good men, who aren't so stupid as to throw in the towel too soon.

Yes, Obama has greatly increased all the divides, and there are almost as many takers as givers. But not for one minute do I believe the bad guys outweigh the good. Many of the "takers" are not bad people, in fact I believe most are good, just misguided, and being used by a misguided political ideology rife with dishonest, self-serving leaders. With the attitudes some of you have, had you been around during the 1700's, we'd still be a British colony today.

I am reminded of the many times told story of the guy stranded on his rooftop as the flood waters rose around him. He was sent rescue boats, he was sent rescue helicopters, yet he drowned in his sorrows and the inability to recognize the help he was being sent.

2016 is a great opportunity for America to make a comeback, or we can just throw in the towel and give up now. What we need more than anything are real leaders, honest ones with integrity, who believe in America, our Constitution, and the values on which it was founded.

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#3320591 - 08/12/13 06:30 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wes Parrish]
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I agree with what you are saying Wes and I appreciate you being a cheerleader for what is right. However, I travel all over this Country a lot, and unfortunately, us Tennesseeans are so far in the minority, most people wouldn't believe it.

The good are outnumbered. They are also unfortunately dying off and being replaced by spoiled, lazy, incompetent suckers of the government tit and there's nothing any of us can do about it. For anyone to try to have the balls to fix it would be political suicide because these people are the majority.

Again, I appreciate what your saying dude, but come on. Just think of what Obama did his first term. If any other President in history would have done those things, not only would they have been impeached, they would have been assassinated. Seriously, think on those things just for a minute. Then, realize that this guy won in a landslide. Based on that, I don't buy your theory for one minute that most people are still good. Sure, I'll give people one "idiot" button the first time because maybe they thought this guy really was the Messiah and could do what he said. However, after 4 years of what he's done and people still think he's the man, then we are too far gone to even try.

I'm not a pessimist by nature, I'm more of a realist but I'm sorry bro, other than our faith in God, we have no hope. None. Zero. As a nation, we are done.
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#3320633 - 08/12/13 06:59 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Tennessee Todd]
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I hope those who are ready to throw in the towel are merely planning for a comeback.

So, you take your ball and go home, and the govt implodes....

What then? That is the question you should be asking. What then?

DO you keep your head down and hope the ghouls wont come feast on your misery? Do you watch as our country is broken up and looted? Do you stand by as horrors are perpetrated on your friends, family, and neighbors?

OR.... do you prepare for the coming opportunity to destroy the lies that got us here and restore our country?

Big government/liberalism/socialism etc... only exists by using lies to beg, steal, and borrow. When the lie is exposed, an opportunity to crush the theology happens.

I do believe our country is headed for a disaster. The real question is who is going to lead us out of it? The liberal looters who's policies and ideals led us to disaster? Or the Constitutional conservatives, who's ideals have allowed prosperity and freedom the likes of which the modern world has never seen ?

I know who I am going to side with.
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#3320669 - 08/12/13 07:21 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: fishboy1]
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 Originally Posted By: fishboy1
I hope those who are ready to throw in the towel are merely planning for a comeback.

So, you take your ball and go home, and the govt implodes....

What then? That is the question you should be asking. What then?

DO you keep your head down and hope the ghouls wont come feast on your misery? Do you watch as our country is broken up and looted? Do you stand by as horrors are perpetrated on your friends, family, and neighbors?

OR.... do you prepare for the coming opportunity to destroy the lies that got us here and restore our country?

Big government/liberalism/socialism etc... only exists by using lies to beg, steal, and borrow. When the lie is exposed, an opportunity to crush the theology happens.

I do believe our country is headed for a disaster. The real question is who is going to lead us out of it? The liberal looters who's policies and ideals led us to disaster? Or the Constitutional conservatives, who's ideals have allowed prosperity and freedom the likes of which the modern world has never seen ?

I know who I am going to side with.


Fish,

Certain people ALREADY took their balls and STAYED HOME and did not vote the last two elections. They said they couldn't hold their nose and vote for McCain or Romney. They were Constitutional conservatives. In Tn and KY it didn't mater but in certain states it DID MATER and on several forums those that stayed home said they were encouraged by others across the country that did stay home.

Remember certain people ALREADY took their balls and stayed home. And I remember certain other people cheering and supporting them to stay home.
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#3320691 - 08/12/13 07:39 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Tennessee Todd]
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 Originally Posted By: Tennessee Todd
However, I travel all over this Country a lot, and unfortunately, us Tennesseans are so far in the minority, most people wouldn't believe it.


I travel as well and second that thought; it ain't pretty.
We're in a bubble here in TN, at least for now that is.
With everyone fleeing their tax-happy & jobless states, it's only a matter of time.

Shoot, even TX will be a toss-up state soon.

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#3320996 - 08/13/13 05:02 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: preds1]
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I totally agree with TT and his assessment of current affairs in this country. That said, I will not "give in", as I will continue to vote and to send emails and letters to our elected tyrants to try to incorporate change in the direction we're sinking. But, I also think, at this point, that it is just an exercise in futility, period. "Hope and Change" has just about killed us, maybe already has.
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#3321039 - 08/13/13 06:25 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: MUP]
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MUP,
I salute you. Continue your efforts but also focus LOCALLY.

The Feds have no power or authority if local governments say... "no thanks".

Guns and revolution are not required. Good people acting locally ARE required and essential.
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#3321056 - 08/13/13 06:42 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: fishboy1]
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WC,

I understand why you keep pushing to support Republicans. You are an old school pub who believes in the values the party was built on.

I also understand why people stayed home/sat it out. They have lost faith in the Republican brand, and rightly so. The republican brand is now like Sears tools. Once the BEST, now they are cheap and don't work right. Having the wrong people in office is harmful no matter what party they come from so brand loyalty is wearing off.

In fact, I don't think there really ARE two parties anymore.
There is the hardcore socialist looter party (big government) and the Establishment Crony Capitalist party (big government).

There is a resurgence of Self Governance (small government and freedom) candidates that get little to no support from either of the big 2. I dearly hope that the Self Governance movement can gain enough steam to either.. 1. Take over the Establishment Crony Capitalist party, or 2. Be a strong enough independent third party to sweep the corrupt big government types out of office when the debt crushes our economy.

I would much prefer that the Self Governance movement turn the tide and PREVENT the coming economic collapse but I fear it is too late to avoid a very painful economic "adjustment".
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#3321069 - 08/13/13 06:50 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: fishboy1]
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So you do admit that people DID take their ball and stayed home. No wonder Obana was re-elected.

I can understand those that stayed home blame others for Obama getting a second term. They do not want to be linked to it. The sad thing is those very same people WILL help Hillary into the White House. then once again they will blame others.

Ever you do admit that you do fear it might be too late. I already went though that Election Day 2008 when Obama first won.

Three more years of Obama and 8 years of Hillary and we will be looking at a totally different Supreme Court. Last time the gun owners won by one single vote. Next time they will lose by 3 votes.
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#3321095 - 08/13/13 07:09 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wildcat]
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One thing. If a third party comes in strong enough to be a player it will GUARANTEE A Democrat dictatorship for years to come.

Like I said, I'm 61, not too many years left. So if the people that helped Obama help Hillary then screw it. I'll just use my reminding years to set back and watch everybody blame everybody else all the while they wipe out the America we once knew.
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#3321115 - 08/13/13 07:26 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wildcat]
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Don't get me wrong guys, I'm still gonna vote. Staying home isn't an option. I owe that to the many that spilled their blood for me to have that right.

All I'm saying is even though I will still vote, it's honestly no use anymore. It's kinda like playing in a golf tournament with Ruger as a partner. I know I'm gonna lose, but what the heck I do it anyway. Same concept with my vote.

Trust me, I hope I'm wrong and if I am, I'll be the first to admit it. But from what I've seen over the last 10 years or so, this country is done. The takers outweigh the makers and those of us that are makers don't give a piss about the takers anymore.

And once we get to the point where everything that can be made, has been made, and everything taken that can be taken, there will be no more making and taking and it will just be shaking and baking. I honestly don't know what that last sentence really means, but I thought it sounded cool.
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#3321177 - 08/13/13 08:05 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Tennessee Todd]
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It did sound cool! It was also profound, very profound. My interpretation of it is that after society falls apart there will be terror and misery.

Think back to what Washington said when he warned about political parties.

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#3321268 - 08/13/13 09:23 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: 348Winchester]
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 Originally Posted By: 348Winchester

Think back to what Washington said when he warned about political parties.


Yeah but you got to admit it's hard to take a guy serious that wore his hair like that.
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#3321290 - 08/13/13 09:43 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Tennessee Todd]
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I share many of your thoughts and concerns but I don't think the country and it's people are THAT far gone.

I naively still believe that they didn't vote for this or what "is", they voted for what they were promised or what "could have been".

I think that a vast majority of those "On the take" are not socialist minded but they are using the socialist programs or enjoying the conveniences of this most "generous" government. They are capable of reverting back to the way of life where we provided for ourselves without the gifts and protection of the government.

There are those who know no other way than the handouts and dependency. They'll be a force to reckon with.

Ignorance is easily remedied with those willing to learn. The rest are the problem.

Things will swing back our way. The question is will it swing back in time and how are we going to address the matter of debt and consequences of this decade of heathen indulgence and irresponsibility.

There is a price to be paid for all of this. This kind of decadence is not free and without reckoning.
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#3321324 - 08/13/13 10:17 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
I share many of your thoughts and concerns but I don't think the country and it's people are THAT far gone.




Dude. Seriously. I'll ask you the same thing I asked Wes. Just for a second, think about how bad Obama was his first term? Think of the damage that he and his government inflicted on this nation in such a short span. It's mind boggling. You don't even have to be educated to have felt the effects of what his administration was doing. Then, realize he won again in a landslide. And yet, you still think there's hope in our people?

Again, I appreciate the optimism that some of you have, and I hope your right, but I don't ever see us going back to what our founding fathers instilled in this nation. We are just too lazy and dependent on government, and that's exactly what Obama's plan was and it has been perfectly executed.
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#3321336 - 08/13/13 10:33 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Tennessee Todd]
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Yes. Lazy and apathetic.

It's not hard to find examples of both every day. But they are lazy and apathetic out of the luxury to do so. Skating on the labors of past generations and the pillaging of the labors of the next.

But how long can that last? that Luxury, or more accurately, the irresponsibility of laziness and ignorance is very temporary and expensive. Expensive in terms of dollars and well as liberty.

When the bill comes due, who is going to roll over and accept the chains of slavery and who is going to rise up and cast off the Government attempting to enslave them?

THAT is where my optimism lies. In our ability as a majority to rebuild from the ashes, not in the ability of these cretins to recognize the errors of their ways in time to stop it. Most will be able to live off of less and on their own when they are finally forced to do so, but not a minute before that.

But I don't think the majority are going to roll over and accept the inevitable enslavement that comes at the end of this 4 course meal and drink they are currently indulging in.
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#3321337 - 08/13/13 10:34 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Tennessee Todd]
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I will say this too, that I firmly believe that O won this time around(most likely to some degree last time too) as a result of voter fraud. The precincts up in NE where he got 100% of the vote, and that being a statistical impossibility for this to happen, point toward this conclusion. How are we to overcome this kind of tyrannical undertaking when a juggernaut of this magnitude can manipulate and change results on a whim for their favor?
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#3321343 - 08/13/13 10:39 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: MUP]
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1 of every 5 votes in Ohio was found to be fraudulent.

20%!!!!!
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#3321380 - 08/13/13 11:20 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Crappie Luck]
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Agree with MUP and CL.

Voter fraud won O this election.

They took a page out of Harry Reids book to take back Nevada several years back.

Tell me how your opponent can be up in every major poll by at least 2 points the day before the election and that person ends up losing?
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#3321391 - 08/13/13 11:29 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Crappie Luck]
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I too agree with Crappie.

Its easy to be apathetic and go along when its not hurting you, or not much.

But when the bill comes due, and it WILL come due, the people will be MAD !

A perfect example is the Occupy movement. Yes, there are the Occutards who are moronic socialists and doped up sociopaths. BuT there were also a LOT Of young college age kids who understand that they are getting screwed. They are pissssed that they bought into the promise, spent years of their life and Tens of thousands of borrowed dollars on a degree and a promise only to see that the economy is in the tank and the social conformity they were banking on was an empty promise.

The progressives are cranking out the propaganda but it is hollow and the college kids know it. IF and its a big IF, we could reach those kids with a different message they probably have NEVER been exposed to.... A message of freedom, liberty, and opportunity.... via self reliance and small government, a wave of change would happen. The good kind of change.

That is one of my biggest gripes with the Republican party. They are more concerned with maintaining their status and privilege than they are with making the country great again.
But to make the COUNTRY great, they would have to give up their power and become SMALLER (at least in their minds).
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#3321444 - 08/13/13 12:27 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: fishboy1]
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The intriguing part of all of this is how fragile the Illusion of power and this of cards this Big government has built really is.

This whole system of taxes, power and intimidation only works because "WE" allow it. All the spending, borrowing and socialism is based on the premise that you go to work and pay the government a "FEE" for the privilege of collecting a wage for your time, talents and experience.

Businesses pay this "Fee" for the privilege of conducting capitalism and trade within the boundaries of this illusion of a bubble the govt. has created.

We get up every day and go do our duty to provide for our families and allow this govt. who is dependent upon YOU to dictate what YOU are allowed to do because that is all we've ever known.

What if those producing eventually have had ENOUGH and simply stop. Stop allowing automatic deductions of your paycheck and start paying in cash or some alternative currency. What if every businesses in the USA suddenly stopped filing quarterly earnings and mailing checks to the govt. What if we just STOPPED following the expected routine of economic energy production, turned towards Washington and flipped them the bird?

There is nothing they could do about it. NOTHING. We continue to be lead only because, for now, it's more convenient than taking up the slack on our invisible leashes.

The government, the IRS and the President are the frame, our laws and customs are the glass, .
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#3321471 - 08/13/13 12:43 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Crappie Luck]
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I'll ask this simple question.

"What authority does the looters of our society have to demand that you continue to fund their lifestyle of indulgence and poor choices?"

At what point does this question enter the minds of the majority pulling the wagon? When it does, the yolk comes off and fists go up.

It's really that simple.

These vagrants, morons and leaches that disgust us and piss us off are symbols of a dying society but they have NO POWER. They exist at the tips of our fingers and can be flicked off like snot.
I don't fear them and I don't fear those they elect to represent them. They are housed and fed entirely on our generosity. When we, as a society, are tired of it, they'll be brushed aside and be done with.

What I'm more concerned about is how much more the good people of this country are willing to tolerate before they reach that point.
How much more of our children's future are we willing to leverage for the comfort and convenience of these ungrateful, entitled thieves of labor and initiative?



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#3321478 - 08/13/13 12:55 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Crappie Luck]
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Exactly, they have no power, but, in order to rid ourselves of them, imo, voting "ain't gonna cut it" anymore. It will take a "power" to defeat their "power".
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#3321485 - 08/13/13 12:59 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: MUP]
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Will power mostly. Sure, some firepower but IMO, most of them will go BACK to working for a living once the free S**** is CUT OFF.

And I'm talking about our Government as well as the leeches living on welfare and fraudulent disability.



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#3321516 - 08/13/13 01:26 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Crappie Luck]
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You make some great points Crappie. I just wonder how many of us have the balls to say enough is enough.
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#3321539 - 08/13/13 01:47 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Tennessee Todd]
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Me too. I wonder how many and WHEN will they says "ENOUGH!!!!"
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#3321596 - 08/13/13 02:41 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Crappie Luck]
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We marvel at all the destruction the Democrats were able to wreak in two years of total Washington control. Yet, the Republicans enjoyed a six year reign in which they also controlled the Supreme Court based on appointees.

What did our team do with it? Two unnecessary occupations, turn a surplus into record deficits, No Child Left Behind, Medicare Drug fiasco, nothing to enforce our immigration policy, allowed the gay community to pick up steam, Dept of Homeland Security, Patriot Act, The Bailouts, etc.

W's administration was a conservative disaster. And what did WE do? Defend their policies at every turn. It was the War on Terror that caused the deficits, they hid the WMD's, he's a good man, he goes to church, he's a cowboy, etc.


Granted Obama is much worse. But the national media exposed many of the lies, deceits, and inconsistencies from the Bush regime but they defend, distort, and cover up every disastrous Obama policy. The uninformed "independent" voter saw Bush, in effect, the Republicans called out as liars on many issues. The same media adores Obama. This makes for a big swing in votes with a low IQ electorate.

Other important issues are voter fraud - which is huge.

And we're so politically correct no one wants to mention demographics/race. With an estimated 80% (I would argue over 90%) of the nonwhite vote going to the democrats in a national election it's becoming obvious for America's minorities that race is a bigger factor in their electoral decisions than economic, political. or social issues. Asians, Hispanics, and even Jews who should have been more aligned with Romney's economic and social ideas overwhelmingly rejected his message. They chose the party with a brown face that promotes higher taxes and gay marriage. The Republican's solution: allow more nonwhites into the country??? What conservative wouldn't be pessimistic?
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#3321740 - 08/13/13 05:01 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: de novo]
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You are 100% right, de novo.

BOTH parties are heading towards socialism and tyrannical rule. They just decorate their busses with the themes and banners that attract the people to one of the two parties.

We're all headed to the same place. We just have different cheers at the pep rally.

Their side has the black, brown and "yea, we kill babies" crowd.

Our side has the "I own a gun and pay my own bills" crowd.

But, in the end, both parties vote for the same crap. They even vote to approve justices and the heads of the Federal reserve.

Sure, there are token "Not me" votes along the way to appease their groupies back home, but just look at the Amnesty vote and suddenly the two parties don't seem so far apart any more.

It's all a rouse and a head fake.

Neither party wants you to realize that they are only relevant as long as WE don't want to shoulder the responsibility for our own country.
As soon as the American people wise up and remember that WE are the government, NOT the governed, It's all over.

Laws only work if EVERYONE agrees to abide by them. What happens when NO ONE agrees anymore? That is the event Horizon for congress. An awakened and aware populous keeps them awake at night.....Their conscience sure as heII doesn't
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#3321755 - 08/13/13 05:15 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
You are 100% right, de novo.

BOTH parties are heading towards socialism and tyrannical rule. They just decorate their busses with the themes and banners that attract the people to one of the two parties.

We're all headed to the same place. We just have different cheers at the pep rally.

Their side has the black, brown and "yea, we kill babies" crowd.

Our side has the "I own a gun and pay my own bills" crowd.

But, in the end, both parties vote for the same crap. They even vote to approve justices and the heads of the Federal reserve.

Sure, there are token "Not me" votes along the way to appease their groupies back home, but just look at the Amnesty vote and suddenly the two parties don't seem so far apart any more.

It's all a rouse and a head fake.

Neither party wants you to realize that they are only relevant as long as WE don't want to shoulder the responsibility for our own country.
As soon as the American people wise up and remember that WE are the government, NOT the governed, It's all over.

Laws only work if EVERYONE agrees to abide by them. What happens when NO ONE agrees anymore? That is the event Horizon for congress. An awakened and aware populous keeps them awake at night.....Their conscience sure as heII doesn't



My optimism is waning with total media control and a hordes of voters who do not think logically. In our lifetime (my generation) will likely not see any major changes in a way of life except tax increases and moral declines. However, I fear that my kids and especially grandkids will one day be faced either with the terror/persecution of living in a Communist nation or the terror/persecution of living in a nation like Zimbabwe, South Africa, or Haiti. History has not been kind to whites who have turned over a country via the ballot box or war to nonwhites.
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#3321964 - 08/13/13 08:20 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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Agree with MUP and CL.

Voter fraud won O this election.

They took a page out of Harry Reids book to take back Nevada several years back.



Now what is to keep Hillary from doing the very same voter fraud????

Is Attorney General Holder going to do anything about it?? Is President Obama going to do anything about it??

So guys, please explain to me why Hillary will not do the same thing.
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#3322053 - 08/13/13 09:04 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wildcat]
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I would absolutely LOVE to peaceably jam the streets of Washington DC with like minded individuals on a Friday when the scum in Congress tries to get from the hill to the airport.

Block their paths home and remind them that a government afraid of the people is liberty.
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#3322087 - 08/13/13 09:23 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: AndyW]
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 Originally Posted By: AndyW
I would absolutely LOVE to peaceably jam the streets of Washington DC with like minded individuals on a Friday when the scum in Congress tries to get from the hill to the airport.

Block their paths home and remind them that a government afraid of the people is liberty.


You and me will not be able to stop much by ourselves but if we were liberals then the media and several thousands of other liberals would show up.

You think conservatives will show up?? Hell they can't ever push hard enough to force Congress to stop the IRS from cracking down on the Tea Parties.
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#3322101 - 08/13/13 09:31 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: AndyW]
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All y'all are forgetting about the 17 trillion dollar gorilla sitting in the middle of the room:

$16,899,900,789,060.00

$125,245,798,450,000 unfunded liabilities

Yes, we are talking 12 zeros.

We will see an economic collapse sooner than later. Don't worry Wildcat, even at 61 years old you will see civil unrest in this country. This I promise. And the Government knows it. 2300 MRAP's proves they know it.

Let's see what happens when the Fed quits printing 85 billion dollars a month to keep this fake recovery going.

When this economy collapses and the welfare parasites checks are cut off, the looters will be coming after you to take yours. If you have not been preparing for this storm coming you will drown in the wave of looters. This is not our Grandparents America anymore. We have been invaded by 20 million illegal aliens. Our prisons are full of them. California is going to early release 10's of thousands of them soon. And they will be headed to your neighborhoods. We are surrounded by drug dealers, thugs, racists, terrorists, child molesters, thieves, murderers, and terrorists who are willing to blow up innocent children using pressure cookers. What makes you think when this collapse occurs all of these animals will not cut your throat just to cut your throat? What is happening South of our border will be coming here soon.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Tick Tock Tick Tock


...and yes, I plan to continue to vote and continue to sharpen my bayonet.
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#3322146 - 08/13/13 10:07 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: AndyW]
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 Originally Posted By: AndyW
I would absolutely LOVE to peaceably jam the streets of Washington DC with like minded individuals on a Friday when the scum in Congress tries to get from the hill to the airport.

Block their paths home and remind them that a government afraid of the people is liberty.


Unfortunately, we [Tennesseans] are unable to get a viable conservative candidate to oppose Corker in 2012 or Alexander in 2014. It's really hard for tax paying, hard working Americans to stop working long enough to get locally or nationally organized.
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#3322265 - 08/14/13 04:27 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: de novo]
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I guess it could be worse...maybe?

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#3322364 - 08/14/13 06:43 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: de novo]
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 Originally Posted By: de novo
 Originally Posted By: AndyW
I would absolutely LOVE to peaceably jam the streets of Washington DC with like minded individuals on a Friday when the scum in Congress tries to get from the hill to the airport.

Block their paths home and remind them that a government afraid of the people is liberty.


Unfortunately, we [Tennesseans] are unable to get a viable conservative candidate to oppose Corker in 2012 or Alexander in 2014.


True.

Yet people will blame the Republican Party rather than nobody stepping up to run in the primaries. Yes it takes money and backing but people have to step up first. They are not going to so you are stuck.
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#3322463 - 08/14/13 08:08 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Wildcat]
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 Originally Posted By: de novo
 Originally Posted By: AndyW
I would absolutely LOVE to peaceably jam the streets of Washington DC with like minded individuals on a Friday when the scum in Congress tries to get from the hill to the airport.

Block their paths home and remind them that a government afraid of the people is liberty.


Unfortunately, we [Tennesseans] are unable to get a viable conservative candidate to oppose Corker in 2012 or Alexander in 2014.


True.

Yet people will blame the Republican Party rather than nobody stepping up to run in the primaries. Yes it takes money and backing but people have to step up first. They are not going to so you are stuck.


Problem is the main "conservative" threats to Alexander all lined up to endorse him last December. Makes you question their principles and conservative legitimacy. I recently went to an event where both Marsha Blackburn and Rand Paul were speaking. Both made good speeches about conservative, small government ideals. Blackburn has endorsed and is on the Lamar reelection team and Paul stated the following day that he hopes Lamar does not have a primary opponent. Very frustrating.
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#3335608 - 08/25/13 07:41 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: de novo]
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Prominent liberal democrat feminist Camille Paglia denounces Hillary . . . . . .

http://www.salon.com/2013/08/21/camille_...9s_best_chance/

"As a registered Democrat, I am praying for a credible presidential candidate to emerge from the younger tier of politicians in their late 40s. A governor with executive experience would be ideal. It’s time to put my baby-boom generation out to pasture! We’ve had our day and managed to muck up a hell of a lot. It remains baffling how anyone would think that Hillary Clinton (born the same year as me) is our party’s best chance. She has more sooty baggage than a 90-car freight train. And what exactly has she ever accomplished — beyond bullishly covering for her philandering husband? She’s certainly busy, busy and ever on the move — with the tunnel-vision workaholism of someone trying to blot out uncomfortable private thoughts.

I for one think it was a very big deal that our ambassador was murdered in Benghazi. In saying “I take responsibility” for it as secretary of state, Hillary should have resigned immediately. The weak response by the Obama administration to that tragedy has given a huge opening to Republicans in the next presidential election. The impression has been amply given that Benghazi was treated as a public relations matter to massage rather than as the major and outrageous attack on the U.S. that it was.

Throughout history, ambassadors have always been symbolic incarnations of the sovereignty of their nations and the dignity of their leaders. It’s even a key motif in “King Lear.” As far as I’m concerned, Hillary disqualified herself for the presidency in that fist-pounding moment at a congressional hearing when she said, “What difference does it make what we knew and when we knew it, Senator?” Democrats have got to shake off the Clinton albatross and find new blood. The escalating instability not just in Egypt but throughout the Mideast is very ominous. There is a clash of cultures brewing in the world that may take a century or more to resolve — and there is no guarantee that the secular West will win."

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#3335864 - 08/25/13 09:41 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: 348Winchester]
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The same young dumb voters that wanted to be part of history in electing our first black president will want to repeat. So if the republicans elect the same sorry %** candidates like they have the last two elections then yeah she wins in a very large landslide.
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#3336353 - 08/26/13 10:29 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: TNhunter]
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Saw a bumper sticker yesterday... It read;

"I'm ready for Hillary! 2016"

BOHICA...
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#3336368 - 08/26/13 10:41 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Rebel]
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I saw a bumper sticker that said "HIllary/Satan 2016 - What difference does it make?"
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#3336385 - 08/26/13 10:52 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Crappie Luck]
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And that devilish duo would probably win in a landslide with 99% of registered dem's voting in favor of "the end".
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#3336453 - 08/26/13 11:49 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: MUP]
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http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/356...resident-andrew

“I want the whole world to know it: she lied to my face, and you don’t want this person to be president.”

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#3336555 - 08/26/13 12:59 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
I saw a bumper sticker that said "HIllary/Satan 2016 - What difference does it make?"

Need to find those; I'll buy one!
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#3336626 - 08/26/13 01:47 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: BMan]
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 Originally Posted By: BMan
 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
I saw a bumper sticker that said "HIllary/Satan 2016 - What difference does it make?"

Need to find those; I'll buy one!



Yeah, me too. my car needs to be repainted... I'm sure some fine upstanding Hillary supporters that look like Obama's sons won't mind vandalizing it for me.
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#3337762 - 08/27/13 10:58 AM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: fishboy1]
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MUP,
I salute you. Continue your efforts but also focus LOCALLY.

The Feds have no power or authority if local governments say... "no thanks".

Guns and revolution are not required. Good people acting locally ARE required and essential.


Article 5 of the Constitution gives us all the hope we need. Fishboy's right - call your state legislature and encourage them/implore them to give Mark Levin's book a read. The Liberty Amendments lay it all out beautifully.

We shall not lose hope, for hope is all we have....and the Constitution - or what's left it.

Don't be so defeatest y'all - The founders left the States a GREAT deal of power for this very reason - a despotic, tyrannical government!

Read The Liberty Amendments and call your state legislator!!
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#3337858 - 08/27/13 12:02 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: The ScubaCamper]
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Thanks scooby ;\)

I have been on the act locally kick for about a year and then guess what I discover 2 weeks ago? The Liberty Amendments !!!

Im only on Amendment #2 in the book so far but Mark Levin does an amazing job outlining not only the solutions, but backs it up with documentation from the founders of our country.

I am still aghast and amazed at how far away from the constitutional republic we are SUPPOSED TO BE, but still think we are.
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#3337884 - 08/27/13 12:22 PM Re: Why Hillary will win in 2016 [Re: fishboy1]
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I suppose the most enjoyment I get from Mark Levin's work is all the research he puts into it - understanding where the founders were coming from and what shaped their arguments. Not just that but what they argued about and what aspects of our constitution various folks had issues with.

Article 5 wouldn't even be in there if James Mason didn't push for it.

Some have said "oh, well if the States have these rights, they'll run away with it!" As in, run-amuck with all sorts of whimisical legislation and amendments.

That is just not going to happen. Even if it does, it's because 2/3rds of the states wanted it - which is what the entire article is intended to protect!
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