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#3310854 - 08/03/13 05:17 PM I need a new archery guy
Master Chief
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I can see my HIDDEN inserts. Anyone in the archery business should know what a H.I.T insert is and how to apply them. Can they be taken out?


These are Easton ST Axis FMJ N-Fused arrows.. just the cheapos
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#3311116 - 08/03/13 09:46 PM Re: I need a new archery guy [Re: Master Chief]
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#3311127 - 08/03/13 10:14 PM Re: I need a new archery guy [Re: UTGrad]
Master Chief
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Anyone ever try to remove a HIT insert with Easton epoxy? From what I read on the net you can't.
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#3311136 - 08/03/13 10:27 PM Re: I need a new archery guy [Re: Master Chief]
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call matt eddie energy wave bowstrings. he should know or tndeerguy should know.

Edited by deerhunter10 (08/03/13 10:28 PM)
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#3311175 - 08/04/13 12:15 AM Re: I need a new archery guy [Re: deerhunter10]
TNDeerGuy
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They can be taken out, but it can be a pain and sometimes it is inevitable that you may damage the shaft beyond repair. If a shop did this, I would take it back to them before you run the risk of damaging a $10 arrow.

However, here are things that I know you can try, listed in order of not damaging the shaft.

1. Take nock out and put a drill bit in the shaft and "swing" the shaft letting the drill bit punch the insert out. Be careful though because sometimes when the insert comes out, the drill bit will be flying out with it.

2. Heat a pot of water to just about boiling and place the point end of shaft, with field point screwed in, in the water for about 10-15 minutes. Take shaft out and with a pair of pliers start working the point/insert outóit may take several times.

These next ones are a complete gamble and run a very high risk of damaging the shaft.

3. Take a drill bit and drill out the insert inside the shaftóbe very careful not to contact the shaft.

4. This will almost always get the insert out, but at least 50% of the time will damage the shaft! Screw field point into the insert and with a propane torch heat the end of the point slowly for 10-15 seconds, the heat will transfer down to the aluminum insert and will heat/loosen the epoxy. After 10-15 seconds, take pliers to the point and try to work insert outórepeat process until the insert breaks free. **Caution** Carbon does not like a lot of heat, really doesn't like any, so even if you get the insert out carefully inspect the end of the shaft for small hairline cracks.

There maybe other ideas out there, but these have worked for me over the years.

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#3311180 - 08/04/13 12:34 AM Re: I need a new archery guy [Re: TNDeerGuy]
Master Chief
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 Originally Posted By: TNDeerGuy
They can be taken out, but it can be a pain and sometimes it is inevitable that you may damage the shaft beyond repair. If a shop did this, I would take it back to them before you run the risk of damaging a $10 arrow.

However, here are things that I know you can try, listed in order of not damaging the shaft.

1. Take nock out and put a drill bit in the shaft and "swing" the shaft letting the drill bit punch the insert out. Be careful though because sometimes when the insert comes out, the drill bit will be flying out with it.

2. Heat a pot of water to just about boiling and place the point end of shaft, with field point screwed in, in the water for about 10-15 minutes. Take shaft out and with a pair of pliers start working the point/insert outóit may take several times.

These next ones are a complete gamble and run a very high risk of damaging the shaft.

3. Take a drill bit and drill out the insert inside the shaftóbe very careful not to contact the shaft.

4. This will almost always get the insert out, but at least 50% of the time will damage the shaft! Screw field point into the insert and with a propane torch heat the end of the point slowly for 10-15 seconds, the heat will transfer down to the aluminum insert and will heat/loosen the epoxy. After 10-15 seconds, take pliers to the point and try to work insert outórepeat process until the insert breaks free. **Caution** Carbon does not like a lot of heat, really doesn't like any, so even if you get the insert out carefully inspect the end of the shaft for small hairline cracks.

There maybe other ideas out there, but these have worked for me over the years.


I will take them back and see what they can do. They dont carry the axis arrows but he will be ordering a set if he even slightly damages them
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#3311181 - 08/04/13 12:35 AM Re: I need a new archery guy [Re: Master Chief]
Master Chief
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Happy bday btw and thanks for the help
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#3311281 - 08/04/13 08:34 AM Re: I need a new archery guy [Re: Master Chief]
ImThere
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 Originally Posted By: Master Chief
 Originally Posted By: TNDeerGuy
They can be taken out, but it can be a pain and sometimes it is inevitable that you may damage the shaft beyond repair. If a shop did this, I would take it back to them before you run the risk of damaging a $10 arrow.

However, here are things that I know you can try, listed in order of not damaging the shaft.

1. Take nock out and put a drill bit in the shaft and "swing" the shaft letting the drill bit punch the insert out. Be careful though because sometimes when the insert comes out, the drill bit will be flying out with it.

2. Heat a pot of water to just about boiling and place the point end of shaft, with field point screwed in, in the water for about 10-15 minutes. Take shaft out and with a pair of pliers start working the point/insert outóit may take several times.

These next ones are a complete gamble and run a very high risk of damaging the shaft.

3. Take a drill bit and drill out the insert inside the shaftóbe very careful not to contact the shaft.

4. This will almost always get the insert out, but at least 50% of the time will damage the shaft! Screw field point into the insert and with a propane torch heat the end of the point slowly for 10-15 seconds, the heat will transfer down to the aluminum insert and will heat/loosen the epoxy. After 10-15 seconds, take pliers to the point and try to work insert outórepeat process until the insert breaks free. **Caution** Carbon does not like a lot of heat, really doesn't like any, so even if you get the insert out carefully inspect the end of the shaft for small hairline cracks.

There maybe other ideas out there, but these have worked for me over the years.


I will take them back and see what they can do. They dont carry the axis arrows but he will be ordering a set if he even slightly damages them

He already damaged them imo. He needs to make it right
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#3311296 - 08/04/13 08:51 AM Re: I need a new archery guy [Re: ImThere]
hoyt30
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I shoot the axis st with h i t. If the arrows were mine they would be replacing them. Be very careful with that carbon. I was changing broadheads the other day and heard a small pop, that shaft went to the trash. Carbon is very dangerous when broke.
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#3311395 - 08/04/13 10:46 AM Re: I need a new archery guy [Re: hoyt30]
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wow. wow. yeah id be taking it back and asking for another dozen
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#3311518 - 08/04/13 01:18 PM Re: I need a new archery guy [Re: fasteddie]
Master Chief
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The sad part is I could have done it myself. There were directions on the back of the bag they came in which included the tool to push them in. I took them there because I don't have a cutting device and figured he might as well do the inserts since he surely would do better than I could.

I hate it because I like the guy, and I know he'll try to make it right, but I have a feeling he is going to have to buy a new set. The carbon layer on these arrows isn't even quite a mm thick.. I bet every single one of them will crack. I'll let him try, but if he breaks one I'll make him buy a new set, and let him cut these down and sell them (they're 29" so he has room to work with)
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#3312486 - 08/05/13 12:06 PM Re: I need a new archery guy [Re: Master Chief]
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He may have done them according to the back of the directions but then propped them up point down....and that is a HUGE no-no with HIT inserts. They'll slide down the inside of the shaft and there you go...what you have here. I agree with you Master Chief, the directions are pretty self explanatory. When I put them in for people here at the shop I use the Quick HIT black epoxy from Easton. Works great but stuff sure is messy lol
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#3315146 - 08/07/13 06:31 PM Re: I need a new archery guy [Re: hoyt30]
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 Originally Posted By: hoyt30
I shoot the axis st with h i t. If the arrows were mine they would be replacing them. Be very careful with that carbon. I was changing broadheads the other day and heard a small pop, that shaft went to the trash. Carbon is very dangerous when broke.


X2 Heating carbon is also like playing Russian roulette.

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#3316214 - 08/08/13 04:43 PM Re: I need a new archery guy [Re: Poleaxe]
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Ugh... smh

I don't care how nice he is. He would be buying me new arrows.

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#3319071 - 08/11/13 11:04 AM Re: I need a new archery guy [Re: Pinwheeled]
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Have you had problems out of em at the shop before? Now I ain't got a dog in the race, but if you been using the same place for other jobs and this is the first mess up might think on it before busting down the doors and demanding things. Everybody has bad days and even the best one out there messes up from time to time.
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#3319444 - 08/11/13 06:36 PM Re: I need a new archery guy [Re: Grill-n-man]
Master Chief
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 Originally Posted By: Grill-n-man
Have you had problems out of em at the shop before? Now I ain't got a dog in the race, but if you been using the same place for other jobs and this is the first mess up might think on it before busting down the doors and demanding things. Everybody has bad days and even the best one out there messes up from time to time.


No, and that's why, despite others advising otherwise, I gave him a chance to fix them. I picked them up today flawless.

Thanks for the advice TNdeerguy.. he did the flinging the drill bit method. Also gave me some field points for free.
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