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#3303577 - 07/27/13 07:07 AM Re: Some Probably Unwanted Advice... [Re: JCDEERMAN]
Fordman
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To over simplify.... Next time your in a stand shoot an arrow without bending at the waist and watch how dropping your arm pulls your peep and or sights away from your face thus changing your sight picture and point of impact. Then bend at the waist and note your peep, sight and the alignment does not change thus making the arrow point of impact the same as practice shots from the ground.
90% of my practice, and I practice all year, is from the ground, The only time I actually practice from a stand is when I am practicing in all my hunting gear and focusing on entering and exiting a stand safely.

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#3304057 - 07/27/13 06:09 PM Re: Some Probably Unwanted Advice... [Re: Fordman]
Recoil
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I appreciate the skill and time required for traditional bow hunting. Since I no longer have the time or motivation to spend countless hours practicing--I love my crossbow with a scope and deadly accuracy at 40+ yards with two or three days of practice. Some say that is not "real" bow hunting. Others say using a compound bow or anything other than a long bow isn't "real" bow hunting either.
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#3304461 - 07/28/13 08:14 AM Re: Some Probably Unwanted Advice... [Re: Recoil]
Deck78
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To the original post by bowriter, thanks for taking the time to pass along some hard earned knowledge! I clearly need to practice more from a seated position
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#3304474 - 07/28/13 08:25 AM Re: Some Probably Unwanted Advice... [Re: Deck78]
bowriter
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Most bow hunters do. Trust me, it will keep you from spooking a lot of deer and you may find as I did, you shoot more accurately sitting down.
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#3304526 - 07/28/13 09:20 AM Re: Some Probably Unwanted Advice... [Re: bowriter]
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Mud Dauber
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This is how I bowhunt. Its sort of sitting down, though, you still transfer a lot of torque to your feet when drawing back. As far as "bending at the waist", I've never thought about and its never been a problem. I suppose I do bend at the waist some, but I also drop my arm, especially since I tend to hunt higher than 25 feet. I have never bowhunted from a conventional stand.

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#3304627 - 07/28/13 11:54 AM Re: Some Probably Unwanted Advice... [Re: Poser]
bowriter
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I could hunt like that for about three minutes.
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#3304644 - 07/28/13 12:25 PM Re: Some Probably Unwanted Advice... [Re: bowriter]
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Mud Dauber
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 Originally Posted By: bowriter
I could hunt like that for about three minutes.


It's hunting, not sex, Bowriter \:D
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#3304706 - 07/28/13 02:05 PM Re: Some Probably Unwanted Advice... [Re: bowriter]
Wes Parrish
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 Originally Posted By: bowriter
You are not going to pull back on a deer with a tired arm.

Other than this, agree with everything you said. \:\)

But I've found a similar effect to "tired" arms, i.e. "weakened" ones, from three common culprits:

1) More clothing being worn when hunting than when practicing on a warm day. Heavier clothing increases the resistance of bending your pulling arm. And it's not just regarding the clothing on that arm, as it's also the clothing on your entire upper body when you torque your clothing while pulling your bow. Try pulling back while sitting in a pair of insulated coveralls that are just a little tight!

2) Cold.
We lose some of our strength as we "get cold".

3) Shooting down at steep angles (and am assuming you don't have the opportunity to point your bow up as you draw). Having to additionally pull the weight of your arm (several pounds) can effectively add 5 to 10 lbs of draw weight. Compound this with extra clothing and cold, and you may not be able to pull your bow as a trophy buck stands right below you. Never mind that you could easily pull that bow, even while sitting, back in the summer.

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#3307452 - 07/31/13 09:34 AM Re: Some Probably Unwanted Advice... [Re: Wes Parrish]
bowriter
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So Wes, are you saying we should all get our arms tired and then practice shooting? Only BSK could come up with that idea. What you need to practice is what to wear and how to draw when you wear it. In addition, you need to practice shooting while sitting outside in your skivvies during a blizzard.

Perhaps we should also try and bluff a train with our ATV's. (That is added for BSK)

\:\)

Seriously, I use to back my bow off 8-10 pounds when hunting in brutal cold up Nawth. I usually carried twin bows, one set at 72, the other at 62-65. I never needed the "light" bow in the South but often used it in Canady and the upper Midwest. I also spent some time shooting in heavy, insulated coveralls and learning just how to wrap tape around the left sleeve and chest to avoid string interference. However, as I said, I never needed that here.

Those are tips for another thread. There are dozens of little things you pick up when you travel and hunt 100+ days a year with a bow. The single very best was carrying two identical bows whenever possible. Until I sold Catman one of mine last year, I still had identical bows just in case my shoulder came back. I now know it won't but just can't make myself part with the "favorite".

In 40-years of bowhunting, there are so many things I learned that I just assumed everybody knew. I should write a book, "150-of the Best Bowhunting Secrets and Tips". Example, the oil off you nose and forehead is the best cable guard/slide lubricant you can use.

\:\)
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#3307927 - 07/31/13 04:45 PM Re: Some Probably Unwanted Advice... [Re: Poser]
MattR
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 Originally Posted By: Poser
This is how I bowhunt. Its sort of sitting down, though, you still transfer a lot of torque to your feet when drawing back. As far as "bending at the waist", I've never thought about and its never been a problem. I suppose I do bend at the waist some, but I also drop my arm, especially since I tend to hunt higher than 25 feet. I have never bowhunted from a conventional stand.



That is pretty dang cool. What kind of climbing rig is that? When I went to cold weather medicine/ mountain medicine course in the military we had something that looked kind of like that.
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