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#3304528 - 07/28/13 09:20 AM Re: Do you shoot "cull bucks"? [Re: cecil30-30]
Diehard Hunter
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Excellent article! Hit the nail on the head many times.

There is no such thing as a cull buck!
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#3304531 - 07/28/13 09:22 AM Re: Do you shoot "cull bucks"? [Re: Diehard Hunter]
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Aint six people on this entire forum who would know a cull buck if they saw one.
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#3304561 - 07/28/13 09:48 AM Re: Do you shoot "cull bucks"? [Re: bowriter]
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bw I killed a spike that was about 180lbs with the guts in,at least 2.5 years old & maybe a tad older,never really seen a buck that somebody could tell me it was 1.Years ago if it had just spikes folks would say cull buck,I just admire & killem & eatem & let other folks decide what they want to callem lol.good read & closer to the truth than a some folks want to believe
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#3304571 - 07/28/13 10:06 AM Re: Do you shoot "cull bucks"? [Re: mike243]
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My guess is that majority of "cull bucks" are killed simply because somebody wanted an excuse to pull the trigger.
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#3304581 - 07/28/13 10:22 AM Re: Do you shoot "cull bucks"? [Re: cecil30-30]
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I shoot any buck that is 4.5 or older, I could care less what his antlers look like
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#3304601 - 07/28/13 11:03 AM Re: Do you shoot "cull bucks"? [Re: CAW]
Wes Parrish
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IMO, free-roaming, there are no cull bucks in the entire state of TN (nor KY). "Cull" may have some validity in Texas, but even there, a buck generally has to reach 4 1/2-yrs of age before he's determined to be a "cull".

But TN ain't TX. And outside some extremely large management areas where zero bucks are killed before maturity, the word "cull" should be changed to "excuse" to rationalize one's desire to kill a buck which doesn't measure up to a particular hunter's stated minimum standards of a "trophy" buck. In other words, sometimes hunters don't want to admit to their peers that ANY buck is sometimes a "trophy" no matter what a particular hunter may claim to his hunting buddies.

Another common reason used to be, "I'm a meat hunter, and we need the meat." Heard much less since most true meat hunters now have the ability to kill a doe instead of a buck. Seems the recent trend in TN has been I'm hearing fewer claims of bucks being taken either as "culls" or for "the meat".

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#3304602 - 07/28/13 11:03 AM Re: Do you shoot "cull bucks"? [Re: Wes Parrish]
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But a disturbing TN trend is somewhat just the opposite of taking a true "cull" buck: Purposefully killing off the most outstanding antlered young bucks when they're only 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 yrs of age.

How's this happening? By the widespread embracing of antler restrictions in defining a "shooter" buck, most pointedly those such as "4 on a side" and/or "8 or 9 points or more". While such antler restrictions do allow more 1 1/2-yr-olds to survive to 2 1/2, they actually significantly INCREASE the harvest of the best antlered 1 1/2 and 2 1/2's. Across much of TN, we now have mainly the smallest antlered of bucks surviving to maturity, just the opposite of what happens with the true culling widespread in Texas.

I don't believe we have so much a problem with the killing of small-antlered bucks (locally called either culling or meat-hunting) now in TN. Our real problem that's preventing the larger scale production of high-scoring older bucks is the over-killing of the best of the best young bucks ---- just the opposite of true culling, as in Texas. The best practical solution to reverse this "antler high-grading" trend is simply to avoid killing any bucks before 3 1/2, regardless of their how big or how small their antlers.

In other words, use "age" as the first criteria in determining which buck is considered a "shooter", just like they do in Texas, whether it's for the purpose of true culling or for allowing an outstanding young buck to meet his potential.

Because truly outstanding antlered 2 1/2's are often easily mistaken for 3 1/2's, many hunters who have recognized the antler-high-grading issue, are now focusing on taking bucks 4 1/2 or older, i.e. a mistake is a 3 1/2 rather than that spectacular 2 1/2. The reward is a growing number of 4 1/2 and older bucks with truly top-end antlers, most of which had to first survive being truly top-end 2 1/2's.

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#3304603 - 07/28/13 11:04 AM Re: Do you shoot "cull bucks"? [Re: easy45]
Wes Parrish
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 Originally Posted By: easy45
I shoot any buck that is 4.5 or older, I could care less what his antlers look like

Exactly.
Although, I admit to being intrigued by antlers no matter what the buck's age. \:\)

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#3304617 - 07/28/13 11:33 AM Re: Do you shoot "cull bucks"? [Re: Wes Parrish]
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#3304629 - 07/28/13 11:55 AM Re: Do you shoot "cull bucks"? [Re: CAW]
bowriter
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 Originally Posted By: CAW
My guess is that majority of "cull bucks" are killed simply because somebody wanted an excuse to pull the trigger.


There it is, right there. Have to have an excuse to tell at the check station or drive in.

And, that is an excellent article.


Edited by bowriter (07/28/13 11:59 AM)
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