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#3302382 - 07/25/13 10:36 PM tough decisions
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had yal ever just over thought every little detail of a spot you want to hunt. that by the end of it you don't even think you should go in there any more. I hate over thinking it, these big deer get to me! lol I got to learn to go with my gut and go with it. its just tough for me to do trying to out smart mature deer. sorry for the rant, carry on just frustrated right now.
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#3302400 - 07/25/13 10:58 PM Re: tough decisions [Re: deerhunter10]
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Done that. It can take the fun out of hunting especially when you are wrong for a long stretch of hunting season. When that starts happening to me, just lay a topo map out on the hood of my truck, close my eyes, point to a spot and hunt it no matter what. Sounds dumb but it takes a lot of pressure off you. Sadly I've have probably had just as good of luck doing that as I have analyzing everything.
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#3302403 - 07/25/13 11:04 PM Re: tough decisions [Re: TN RDG RNR]
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that's about what im about to do. its frustrating, but its all part of it. season hasn't even started and cant decide were to put a couple of stands. lol ill get it figured out or just ask my dad, and uncle and see what they say.
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#3302431 - 07/26/13 12:15 AM Re: tough decisions [Re: deerhunter10]
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one of my things about hunting is to try and not over think the setup. It's too easy to do that... going by gut feeling aint bad at all. You will probably just get lucky when you do kill the big one anyway.
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#3302462 - 07/26/13 05:20 AM Re: tough decisions [Re: catman529]
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Scout the sign in the area, set up stands according to predominant wind directions, and maybe a stand or two for the odd prevailing wind for back up, then hunt. ;\) Good luck!
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#3302475 - 07/26/13 05:47 AM Re: tough decisions [Re: catman529]
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 Originally Posted By: catman529
one of my things about hunting is to try and not over think the setup. It's too easy to do that... going by gut feeling aint bad at all. You will probably just get lucky when you do kill the big one anyway.





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#3302520 - 07/26/13 06:49 AM Re: tough decisions [Re: Bow Hunter]
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I'm doing the same thing right now DH10. Over thinking. But over thinking it is fun to me, lol its almost part of the hunt. Mature deer will make you over think something real quick. They make me over think anyways. It doesn't have to be a bad thing, it can play in your favor but you have to know when to feel comfortable with how much thought you have put in it. IMO
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#3302581 - 07/26/13 07:54 AM Re: tough decisions [Re: MattR]
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I think a lot of serious deer hunters fall to strategy "panic" from time to time. They formulate a new or modified hunting strategy in their head long before season starts, but if that new strategy doesn't pay off fairly quickly once season starts, they begin second-guessing that new strategy and sort of "strategically panic." Once that happens they dump their new idea and fall back on the comfort of their old, and often unproductive, strategies. I often found that if a new idea hadn't panned out by mid-season, I would strategically panic and just go back to all my favorite old stands without any logical reason or strategic plan involved. Rarely does that work out well.

Perhaps the new idea was a failure, but often we really don't give the new idea a thorough evaluation. As the drive to be successful ratchets up self-imposed pressure, we tend to abandon new ideas far too quickly.

I believe at least a full season is required to evaluate a new idea (and really, several seasons). In an attempt to force myself to give a new idea a full evaluation, I've gone to formalizing the plan in writing, as well as all of the reasoning behind the plan. I then force myself to read through the plan regularly throughout the season to keep my (hopefully) sound reasoning fresh in my mind. If I don't have it written down, my mind will immediately start second-guessing the original ideas, selectively forgetting the reasoning behind the ideas, and making excuses as to why I should abandon the plan.
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#3302643 - 07/26/13 08:47 AM Re: tough decisions [Re: BSK]
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Empiricism: the theory that all knowledge is derived from sense-experience.

I've been moving increasingly towards a philosophy of "consider the information you have available to you (terrain and sign) and trust your intuition"

When you make a decision about when, where and how to hunt, commit to it 100%, be content with your decisions and if it turns out to be the wrong decision, accept that as part of the learning process and take that into consideration next time you make a decision.

My best hunts last season went down just like that. While there are certainly factual and scientific considerations, I just lump those into sensory experience and, that way, I don't have to waste time doing "calculations" over relatively simple decisions. -just take the entire hunting experience in as one single sensory experience and trust your intuition to properly synthesize the information.
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#3302666 - 07/26/13 09:17 AM Re: tough decisions [Re: Poser]
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#3302669 - 07/26/13 09:20 AM Re: tough decisions [Re: easy45]
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I have learned that what I think will work now will not work in November. I let the deer tell me where to hunt.
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#3302674 - 07/26/13 09:23 AM Re: tough decisions [Re: Poser]
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 Originally Posted By: Poser
When you make a decision about when, where and how to hunt, commit to it 100%, be content with your decisions and if it turns out to be the wrong decision, accept that as part of the learning process and take that into consideration next time you make a decision.


As long as you think about why you made that particular decision. Is it well thought out, or is it a decision made in desperation? "Intuition" or "gut feelings" are thought-through ideas that were thought through in the subconscious. We have no "innate" knowledge of anything, let alone hunting knowledge. What appears to an experienced and successful hunter as "intuition" is just their years of experience being worked out in the background of their mind. Suggesting the less experienced "rely on their gut" is a recipe for failure, as they don't have the background information to work from.
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#3302686 - 07/26/13 09:35 AM Re: tough decisions [Re: Poser]
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Agree BSK. Also I think deer hunting involves a lot of chance or luck. Just because your plan didn't work the one day you were able to go hunting that week doesn't mean it didn't work any of the other 6 days. It is easy to give up when things don't go your way but I think a lot of people fail to realize how many different things could be to blame for a plan "not working".
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#3302694 - 07/26/13 09:38 AM Re: tough decisions [Re: MattR]
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I am not able to rely on my gut. Experience isn't there. So I will keep thinking things through, observing,taking my notes, and trying to make my gut a succcessful deer hunter.
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#3302705 - 07/26/13 09:42 AM Re: tough decisions [Re: MattR]
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I was thinking along the same lines Matt when i was reading through this. a lot of hunting is luck and being in the right place at the right time. If you came up with a plan and could sit in that area all day 7 days a week, without boogering it, you may find your plan was spot on and the deer you were hunting does indeed use that area, but too often we are not there when he is, so we think our plan is bad and give up.

The reality is you should use your knowledge of the land, your knowledge of hunting, and deer to pick spots, but you have to get lucky and be there when the deer you are looking for comes through.
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#3302720 - 07/26/13 09:54 AM Re: tough decisions [Re: Bone Collector]
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I hunt with my cousin on shared land. We both have a spot each that is "ours", like we have dibs because I hunt this spot alot or vice versa, which leaves a LOT of land unhunted. As season progresses we tend to venture from our "honey holes" but it comes at a risk, because once we declare we are leaving, it opens it up for the other one to hunt it. We are like best friends so we don't lie about what we see and we have cams, so we both know the other's spot is a good one. It makes decision time extra tough, because venturing can come with a consequence... especially if you have seen a good one. I will develop an ulcer one day....
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#3302722 - 07/26/13 09:55 AM Re: tough decisions [Re: Bone Collector]
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 Originally Posted By: Bone Collector
I was thinking along the same lines Matt when i was reading through this. a lot of hunting is luck and being in the right place at the right time. If you came up with a plan and could sit in that area all day 7 days a week, without boogering it, you may find your plan was spot on and the deer you were hunting does indeed use that area, but too often we are not there when he is, so we think our plan is bad and give up.

The reality is you should use your knowledge of the land, your knowledge of hunting, and deer to pick spots, but you have to get lucky and be there when the deer you are looking for comes through.


Bingo! You made it sound a lot better than I did. \:D
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#3302752 - 07/26/13 10:18 AM Re: tough decisions [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Poser
When you make a decision about when, where and how to hunt, commit to it 100%, be content with your decisions and if it turns out to be the wrong decision, accept that as part of the learning process and take that into consideration next time you make a decision.


As long as you think about why you made that particular decision. Is it well thought out, or is it a decision made in desperation? "Intuition" or "gut feelings" are thought-through ideas that were thought through in the subconscious. We have no "innate" knowledge of anything, let alone hunting knowledge. What appears to an experienced and successful hunter as "intuition" is just their years of experience being worked out in the background of their mind. Suggesting the less experienced "rely on their gut" is a recipe for failure, as they don't have the background information to work from.


I'm not suggesting that a beginner do that. They need a pool of experience to pull from. This is more applicable approaching an advanced level. Think first degree Black Belt here. You stop over thinking and analyzing decisions and enter more of a state of "flow" or "zin".... or whatever you want to call it. -where you are acting or reacting in an intuitive manner.

The first several years that I hunted, I planned things in great detail and tried to make extremely selective and informed decisions. As my hunting as matured, I've become less and less concerned with that process of decision making. Having the field experience of both failed and successful decisions in different settings can, overtime, free you of methodology.
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#3302756 - 07/26/13 10:19 AM Re: tough decisions [Re: Bone Collector]
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 Originally Posted By: Bone Collector
a lot of hunting is luck and being in the right place at the right time.

The reality is you should use your knowledge of the land, your knowledge of hunting, and deer to pick spots, but you have to get lucky and be there when the deer you are looking for comes through.


Without question, you have to be in the right place at the right time. And that CAN occur by simple dumb luck. However, consistently successful hunters know they are playing an "odds" game. They "make their luck" by hunting the highest odds locations. Play the high odds and you will be successful far more than someone who does not understand the odds or how to play them.

Card-counters consistently beat Vegas not because they are lucky, but because they understand probabilities. Winning any one particular hand is still a dice-roll probability, but consistently winning more often than losing is an application of knowledge.
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#3302757 - 07/26/13 10:21 AM Re: tough decisions [Re: Poser]
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 Originally Posted By: Poser
The first several years that I hunted, I planned things in great detail and tried to make extremely selective and informed decisions. As my hunting as matured, I've become less and less concerned with that process of decision making. Having the field experience of both failed and successful decisions in different settings can, overtime, free you of methodology.


That I agree with. Well said.
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#3302992 - 07/26/13 01:39 PM Re: tough decisions [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Bone Collector
a lot of hunting is luck and being in the right place at the right time.

The reality is you should use your knowledge of the land, your knowledge of hunting, and deer to pick spots, but you have to get lucky and be there when the deer you are looking for comes through.


Without question, you have to be in the right place at the right time. And that CAN occur by simple dumb luck. However, consistently successful hunters know they are playing an "odds" game. They "make their luck" by hunting the highest odds locations. Play the high odds and you will be successful far more than someone who does not understand the odds or how to play them.

Card-counters consistently beat Vegas not because they are lucky, but because they understand probabilities. Winning any one particular hand is still a dice-roll probability, but consistently winning more often than losing is an application of knowledge.

There you have it.

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#3303478 - 07/26/13 10:36 PM Re: tough decisions [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Bone Collector
a lot of hunting is luck and being in the right place at the right time.

The reality is you should use your knowledge of the land, your knowledge of hunting, and deer to pick spots, but you have to get lucky and be there when the deer you are looking for comes through.


Without question, you have to be in the right place at the right time. And that CAN occur by simple dumb luck. However, consistently successful hunters know they are playing an "odds" game. They "make their luck" by hunting the highest odds locations. Play the high odds and you will be successful far more than someone who does not understand the odds or how to play them.

Card-counters consistently beat Vegas not because they are lucky, but because they understand probabilities. Winning any one particular hand is still a dice-roll probability, but consistently winning more often than losing is an application of knowledge.


completely agree bsk.
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#3306061 - 07/30/13 12:12 AM Re: tough decisions [Re: deerhunter10]
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I used to get a frustrated when my prefered stands didn't produce to the point were I wasn't enjoying the sport of hunting . It usually paid off for me to hunt/scout when the prefered stands were not being productive but as I think about I have just about as much success today because I don't let unproductive stands bother me now as in the past I just hunt for the joy of the sport ! Those days were I hunted /scouted has indeed helped today to not be afraid to change if deer are not in their regular season patterns .There can be several reasons deer are not cooperating normaly , realizing these changes will help . Don't be afraid to abandon your original plans if they don't materialize . Now a day I just pray , enjoy God's great creation and if God decides to bless me with a deer then it is what it is .... a bad day in the field/woods is better than a good day at work !!!!! JUST HUNT !

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#3306096 - 07/30/13 05:16 AM Re: tough decisions [Re: Snake]
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I woke up one morning after having decided on a hunt plan the eve before, based on predicted wind direction.
Of course the wind did not blow the way it was predicted.

As I sat in my truck, window down, on the side of the road, I realized the wind was not going to cooperate. I headed for plan B.

I had lower confidence in this location and sat disappointed as morning light approached.

THe one thing I had going for this locale was that I "felt" it might be a back door for the buck I was hunting a few hundred yards on the other side of the ridge where all the rubs, scrapes, and does were. I also knew other hunters would be coming to hunt from that direction, dis-regarding the wind.

Though I wanted to be there with these other hunters, I knew to NEVER, dis-respect the wind.

20 minutes after daylight, looking down at 21 yards and at full draw, I felt good about my decision. about a minute later, watching a 130 inch buck take his last breath, I felt GREAT about that decision.

This hunt "evolved" over the course of sitting and "LEARNING" deer travel patterns in the area over the course of a few years. All the while taking notes on does, food, cover, wind, and HUNTER preferences.

It was planned carefully, and executed deliberately.

I was less than 70 yards off a gravel road.

It was not the first time, nor the last time I have killed a good buck in similar fashion on public land.

IMO, it does take years of prep work and note taking to get good at killing big deer consistently (i.e.-every couple years).
You really need to pay attention.

And a little luck helps too.
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