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#3298866 - 07/22/13 03:36 PM Re: Some Probably Unwanted Advice... [Re: tickweed]
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Unfortunately, nothing could help me shoot a bow well! \:\(
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#3298889 - 07/22/13 03:52 PM Re: Some Probably Unwanted Advice... [Re: bowriter]
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 Originally Posted By: bowriter


How do you practice? I have seen tons of articles advising you shoot from an elevated platform. I have tried it, done it and have never seen one iota of advantage to it. Not one whit better than standing on terra firma.


I have to ask, Bowriter: How did you arrive at this conclusion? If a hunter bowhunts from a elevated position 75% to, in quite a few cases, 100% of the time, would it not follow that the more experience you have shooting from elevated angles, the more arrows you will consistently put through the kill zone? From an angle, the "kill zone" is two dimensional requiring adjustments for angle.
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#3298898 - 07/22/13 03:59 PM Re: Some Probably Unwanted Advice... [Re: Poser]
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Good tips for sure. my issue is i can;t shoot int eh backyard and hardly have time to go out every night let alone 2x a week to shoot.

I shoot when i can, but have always wanted to shoot more...
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#3298903 - 07/22/13 04:00 PM Re: Some Probably Unwanted Advice... [Re: bowriter]
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 Originally Posted By: bowriter
Somepeople get carried away with their practice stands \:\)



what is that over your head? a cone?
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#3298911 - 07/22/13 04:08 PM Re: Some Probably Unwanted Advice... [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
Unfortunately, nothing could help me shoot a bow well! \:\(


This is true and I have no idea why. It isn't rocket surgery.
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#3298912 - 07/22/13 04:12 PM Re: Some Probably Unwanted Advice... [Re: Poser]
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 Originally Posted By: Poser
 Originally Posted By: bowriter


How do you practice? I have seen tons of articles advising you shoot from an elevated platform. I have tried it, done it and have never seen one iota of advantage to it. Not one whit better than standing on terra firma.


I have to ask, Bowriter: How did you arrive at this conclusion? If a hunter bowhunts from a elevated position 75% to, in quite a few cases, 100% of the time, would it not follow that the more experience you have shooting from elevated angles, the more arrows you will consistently put through the kill zone? From an angle, the "kill zone" is two dimensional requiring adjustments for angle.





Go out in your yard or someplace safe and place a target at 30-yards. Shoot six arrows standing on the ground and then shoot six from 15-feet up. With all, hold dead center of the kill zone. Will the difference in height put any of the arrows out of the kill zone if you hold dead center? Obviously, a shot right under you would be a different story but most should not take that shot anyway.

The thing is, we are talking about hitting a cantaloupe, not a dime.
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#3298922 - 07/22/13 04:24 PM Re: Some Probably Unwanted Advice... [Re: MattR]
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Thanks bowriter. I am going to do that this year. I started bowhunting last year and it took me a while to get to where I was consistent. I think this happened for a few reasons, me being right handed and left eye dominant, no experience with a bow, and poor technique, and poor practice habits. The only thing I can't change of those is my eye dominance. I think that sounds like a good plan. My only obstacle is I really only have one place beside my house where I can shoot. It is between me and my neighbors house in my front yard but it has protection all the way around. I think I can make it out to a few ranges though.
I am left eye dominate as well. Going to try IQ bowsight with no peep this year. Will see if this helps my consistency issue.

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#3298935 - 07/22/13 04:34 PM Re: Some Probably Unwanted Advice... [Re: bowriter]
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 Originally Posted By: bowriter
 Originally Posted By: Poser
 Originally Posted By: bowriter


How do you practice? I have seen tons of articles advising you shoot from an elevated platform. I have tried it, done it and have never seen one iota of advantage to it. Not one whit better than standing on terra firma.


I have to ask, Bowriter: How did you arrive at this conclusion? If a hunter bowhunts from a elevated position 75% to, in quite a few cases, 100% of the time, would it not follow that the more experience you have shooting from elevated angles, the more arrows you will consistently put through the kill zone? From an angle, the "kill zone" is two dimensional requiring adjustments for angle.





Go out in your yard or someplace safe and place a target at 30-yards. Shoot six arrows standing on the ground and then shoot six from 15-feet up. With all, hold dead center of the kill zone. Will the difference in height put any of the arrows out of the kill zone if you hold dead center? Obviously, a shot right under you would be a different story but most should not take that shot anyway.

The thing is, we are talking about hitting a cantaloupe, not a dime.


Bowriter,

Quite a few bowhunters these days, myself included, hunt from heights greater than 25 feet. With an average archery kill of 17 yards (at least, that is what I have read), from an elevated position of 20-30 feet, will certainly make a difference of angle. So, yes, hunting from 12-15 feet and shooting at ~25-30 yards won't make much of a differance, shooting from 25 feet up at horizontal distance of 17 yards will make a difference.
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#3298953 - 07/22/13 05:00 PM Re: Some Probably Unwanted Advice... [Re: Poser]
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Yea, that is one of the questions I have poser. I mean my bow is the same pin out to 25-30 yds. Last year I practiced not only from height but from the actual climbing stand that I was using and could tell a difference on where I was hitting because of my elevation. I want to be as comfortable in my stand as I am on ground. I think Bowriters practice would be great practice for getting you comfortable and confident.
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#3298955 - 07/22/13 05:01 PM Re: Some Probably Unwanted Advice... [Re: Poser]
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 Originally Posted By: Poser
 Originally Posted By: bowriter
 Originally Posted By: Poser
 Originally Posted By: bowriter


How do you practice? I have seen tons of articles advising you shoot from an elevated platform. I have tried it, done it and have never seen one iota of advantage to it. Not one whit better than standing on terra firma.


I have to ask, Bowriter: How did you arrive at this conclusion? If a hunter bowhunts from a elevated position 75% to, in quite a few cases, 100% of the time, would it not follow that the more experience you have shooting from elevated angles, the more arrows you will consistently put through the kill zone? From an angle, the "kill zone" is two dimensional requiring adjustments for angle.





Go out in your yard or someplace safe and place a target at 30-yards. Shoot six arrows standing on the ground and then shoot six from 15-feet up. With all, hold dead center of the kill zone. Will the difference in height put any of the arrows out of the kill zone if you hold dead center? Obviously, a shot right under you would be a different story but most should not take that shot anyway.

The thing is, we are talking about hitting a cantaloupe, not a dime.


Bowriter,

Quite a few bowhunters these days, myself included, hunt from heights greater than 25 feet. With an average archery kill of 17 yards (at least, that is what I have read), from an elevated position of 20-30 feet, will certainly make a difference of angle. So, yes, hunting from 12-15 feet and shooting at ~25-30 yards won't make much of a differance, shooting from 25 feet up at horizontal distance of 17 yards will make a difference.


Well Poser, I don't know what to tell you. I'm sure you are right, it just never worked that way for me. Ground level, 20-feet up, I aim for the center and the arrow hits in the kill zone. Only thing I can say is, my bows were never tricked up with all sorts of gadgets. I guess it is good I never read all that technical crap. I probably would never have gotten a deer to stand still at 17-yards and for sure, I never got more than 20-feet off the ground.
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