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#3293108 - 07/16/13 03:13 PM Brainstorming
thetoolman
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So sitting here brainstorming and thinking about mobility with a hang-on. I had a set of muddy climbing sticks and they were nice, but had some things I didn't like, particulary weight and noise.

So last year I posted a topic on the use of a rock climbing harness for a safety harness. Keeping in the same thought, anyone ever used an etrier ( Black Diamond Etrier ) I am thinking if I could get the top and bottom anchored and possibly use some sort of seperator to keep the foot loops open it could possibly be used in the same manner as climbing sticks. Yes/No/Maybe? Your nuts? Open to ideas, I know stability is a concern when using rope or webbing but I am thinking with a cinch strap of some sort anchoring the top and bottom sections of each etrier to the tree would provide additional stability needed to safely scale the tree with a safety harness. May be a little tougher than steel steps, but would be a whole lot lighter, easier to pack, and essentially noise free.
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#3293150 - 07/16/13 03:51 PM Re: Brainstorming [Re: thetoolman]
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I use a pair of Black Diamond Etriers as a means to skip screw in and/or rope on steps. I carry 2 of them and they allow me to climb the first 10-15 feet of a tree placing only 2-3 steps. The foot loops are rigid enough that they will stay open (see pics below), however, down climbing is a little tricky. These work great for me and one of my partners uses them, too, but it will require a certain degree of physical fitness, balance, flexibility and confidence in your equipment. If you have moderate experience rock climbing and experience using climbing gear, should be more than reasonable to use for hunting. They are a great way to "cheat" on your climbing, weigh next to nothing, and stuff conveniently into your backpack.

Placing less steps allows me to climb faster and carry less metal gear. It also allows me to bypass the often very wide bases of bottomland trees. Since they taper off quickly, I can place my first step above my head, skipping the section of the tree that is too wide for rope on steps (or a climber).





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#3293212 - 07/16/13 04:49 PM Re: Brainstorming [Re: Poser]
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Poser, thanks for posting this. Gives me another idea. I guess my question is would it be feasible to carry 4 or 5 of the Ertriers and use them essentially as you would tree steps. I understand it would take some skill and practice but do you think it would be feasible?
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#3293285 - 07/16/13 05:56 PM Re: Brainstorming [Re: thetoolman]
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 Originally Posted By: thetoolman
Poser, thanks for posting this. Gives me another idea. I guess my question is would it be feasible to carry 4 or 5 of the Ertriers and use them essentially as you would tree steps. I understand it would take some skill and practice but do you think it would be feasible?


I thought about that. Granted, I do have 4 Etriers from my big wall climbing days (Hello, summer of 2001 when I spent much of the summer climbing routes all over El Capitan and Half Dome in Yosemite). It is certainly not unreasonable if you are familiar with the concept of doing such. Downclimbing is a little tricky since the etriers are flush with the tree. You have to find the loop with your toe and then "wiggle" you foot into them enough to take the weight. Once you have weight on the etrier, it is not a big deal, but the first step is tricky .

The biggest problem with the system is when you are downclimbing, you have the potential for the etrier to shift left or right (perpendicular to the tree), which would cause you to fall. If you are jugging lines or aid climbing as they are intended, this is not an issue, but climbing a tree with a lineman's belt, you are looking at a static fall. So, it is imperative that you keep your weight transferred directly downward when down climbing, which, depending on the girth of tree, can be a little tricky, definitely a bit physical. Don't get me wrong, I think this system is ideal for myself and certain other hunters. A mistake on any tree climbing apparatus can create a tense situation for the hunter, but I feel better pretty good about the time the first 12-15 feet feet save me using etriers, another 10-15 feet of placing steps every 3 feet seems reasonable to me, so I stick with that. I can climb most any tree to 25-30 feet and be fully set up in about 10 minutes.
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#3293343 - 07/16/13 07:00 PM Re: Brainstorming [Re: Poser]
JCDEERMAN
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This is genius! How much cost would that be for getting up, say 20ft? The lack of noise is what I am most interested in. I have already illuminated Velcro and many other noisy stuff I carry in. I think a lot of people underestimate how far sounds travel in the early morning. This would help me for 1) being silent and 2) hunting LBL (or any other public land) and not have to worry about theft
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#3293363 - 07/16/13 07:14 PM Re: Brainstorming [Re: JCDEERMAN]
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 Originally Posted By: JCDEERMAN
This is genius! How much cost would that be for getting up, say 20ft? The lack of noise is what I am most interested in. I have already illuminated Velcro and many other noisy stuff I carry in. I think a lot of people underestimate how far sounds travel in the early morning. This would help me for 1) being silent and 2) hunting LBL (or any other public land) and not have to worry about theft


Those Etriers are about $35 each, I think. You can girth hitch one on the front of a climber for bypassing wide tree bases. They are 5 feet long. I climb all the way up to the top step then lean back on my lineman's belt to place the next step as high as I can reach, then hang the Etrier and climb it. Repeat.

I'd say I get 7 feet with each, so about 14 feet placing only 2 steps.
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#3293368 - 07/16/13 07:19 PM Re: Brainstorming [Re: Poser]
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 Originally Posted By: Poser
 Originally Posted By: JCDEERMAN
This is genius! How much cost would that be for getting up, say 20ft? The lack of noise is what I am most interested in. I have already illuminated Velcro and many other noisy stuff I carry in. I think a lot of people underestimate how far sounds travel in the early morning. This would help me for 1) being silent and 2) hunting LBL (or any other public land) and not have to worry about theft


Those Etriers are about $35 each, I think. You can girth hitch one on the front of a climber for bypassing wide tree bases. They are 5 feet long. I climb all the way up to the top step then lean back on my lineman's belt to place the next step as high as I can reach, then hang the Etrier and climb it. Repeat.

I'd say I get 7 feet with each, so about 14 feet placing only 2 steps.


So $35 per 7ft? Or did I interpret that wrong, Poser?
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#3293375 - 07/16/13 07:23 PM Re: Brainstorming [Re: Poser]
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To me a quite approach is the key. Getting to the tree I want to climb silently is the difference between seeing deer and not seeing deer. Once I get to the tree creeping up the tree is just a matter of taking every step seriously no matter what I'm using to get to the top.

By the looks of that rig climbing could take a lot of effort, not good when climbing silently already takes a lot of effort.

If I had to pack in, your idea is worth more than a few tries to perfect. No metal noises with that setup, but wouldn't a climber be better?
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#3293414 - 07/16/13 07:49 PM Re: Brainstorming [Re: nodog]
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The thing about a climber is you have to have a straight tree with no limbs. I have a millennium M100 hang on so it and the mounting bracket weigh a total of about 15 lbs. You add climbing sticks and you are at 25-30 lbs easy not to mention bulk and metal on metal. I was just thinking while this could be challenging it may be worth the effort to perfect it. I really like Posers setup may look into something like that to start and adjust from there. What kind of material is the straps on your tree steps?

Also saw where you can get the webbing to tie your own Ertriers for about 0.30 a ft. Takes about 20 ft to make one 5ft long from what I am reading.
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#3293473 - 07/16/13 08:42 PM Re: Brainstorming [Re: JCDEERMAN]
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 Originally Posted By: JCDEERMAN
 Originally Posted By: Poser
 Originally Posted By: JCDEERMAN
This is genius! How much cost would that be for getting up, say 20ft? The lack of noise is what I am most interested in. I have already illuminated Velcro and many other noisy stuff I carry in. I think a lot of people underestimate how far sounds travel in the early morning. This would help me for 1) being silent and 2) hunting LBL (or any other public land) and not have to worry about theft


Those Etriers are about $35 each, I think. You can girth hitch one on the front of a climber for bypassing wide tree bases. They are 5 feet long. I climb all the way up to the top step then lean back on my lineman's belt to place the next step as high as I can reach, then hang the Etrier and climb it. Repeat.

I'd say I get 7 feet with each, so about 14 feet placing only 2 steps.


So $35 per 7ft? Or did I interpret that wrong, Poser?


Correct, but I already owned them. Plus, I might climb 50 trees a season, so that actually $35 for 450 feet per year and I've been using these for 3 years. Again, not for everyone.


Edited by Poser (07/16/13 08:43 PM)
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