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#3287224 - 07/10/13 09:07 AM Re: Good reviews [Re: BSK]
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...and I still say, "Friends don't let friends buy Cuddeback."
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#3287240 - 07/10/13 09:19 AM Re: Good reviews [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
Primarily, good reliability (lack of unit failures), and buyers happy with their purchase.
Thanks Bryan!
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#3287388 - 07/10/13 11:03 AM Re: Good reviews [Re: Andy S.]
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My source also likes the Browning Recon Force and Spec Ops cams. He says they have very fast triggers and take great color pics. In his words, "These are very good cameras."
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#3287390 - 07/10/13 11:05 AM Re: Good reviews [Re: BSK]
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In addition, he and I both agree the Uway VH200B is the only Uway cam worth considering. We both have had good results from this model cam but poor results with other Uway products (although I have had exceptional results from the Uway flash extenders, both IR and black-flash).
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#3287424 - 07/10/13 11:40 AM Re: Good reviews [Re: BSK]
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I think I would go with a moultrie if I were to buy a cam under 200 bucks.I base this on other peoples opinions.
The biggest killer of any cam is water and moisture..keep them Dessicant packs and Zorb it in them cams
When we build a homebrew we do a dunk test..hold the box under water for several min.But this is before the electrical componets are installed.
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#3287468 - 07/10/13 12:18 PM Re: Good reviews [Re: Good time Charlie]
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I have been liking my Covert Black 60's so far. I've had 2 for over a year and just bought and put out another one a couple of weeks ago (a 2012 model for $139 including shipping). The only problem I had was one had a leaking seal after about 10 months - it was replaced with a new one quickly and painlessly.

I really like the daytime pictures - sharp, good color saturation. The night pictures are not the greatest - they do have significant motion blur and are pretty grainy. They have an excellent trigger time and great sensing and super battery life. Here are a few examples from this spring from a couple of salt licks (they have been resized to 800x600 pixels):












And a final picture of a coyote violating my salt block:


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#3287515 - 07/10/13 01:05 PM Re: Good reviews [Re: woodchuckc]
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woodchuckc,

In my opinion, the Covert cameras take the best daylight pictures of any commercial trail-cam. They are getting close to homebrew camera quality in proper color saturation. I just don't like the "fuzziness" of their night pictures. And I'm not talking about motion blur--all black-flash cams have that problem--but the actual crispness of the image focus. I find the Covert to be a tad too fuzzy for my uses.
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#3287554 - 07/10/13 01:37 PM Re: Good reviews [Re: BSK]
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You are right BSK - the night images, even in the absence of motion blur, are quite fuzzy (even more so than the red flash cameras I used to have). Since the focus hasn't changed between daytime and nighttime pictures (it is a fixed focus system) and the imager is the same, it has to be one of two things (I think): either the imager is so insensitive to far IR wavelengths that the low number of photons striking it not registered correctly, causing an inconsistent activation of its elements and a resulting effective loss in resolution, or the IR filter that moves into place behind the lens is of such low quality that it introduces the blurriness (kind of equivalent to smearing something like vaseline on the lens surface). I'm inclined to think it is probably an imager sensitivity issue, since it seems like all black flash cameras have the problem (to somewhat differing degrees). The problem is that an imager optimized for low intensity IR light is not going to give good color daylight pictures.

What these true "black flash" cameras need is one camera (lens and imager) for daytime pictures and a separate lens and imager optimized for low intensity IR light that are switched between (instead of the light sensor just causing a filter to move into position between the lens and imager). I would be surprised if something like this is not being worked on behind the scene at some of the big trail cam companies. Right now I imagine it would be too expensive to build and market a camera like that.

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#3287596 - 07/10/13 02:13 PM Re: Good reviews [Re: woodchuckc]
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My covert black 60's are awesome!!!! I can't say enough good about them!
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#3287598 - 07/10/13 02:24 PM Re: Good reviews [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
...and I still say, "Friends don't let friends buy Cuddeback."
With friends like you, guess I REALLY don't need any enemies!

 Originally Posted By: woodchuckc
What these true "black flash" cameras need is one camera (lens and imager) for daytime pictures and a separate lens and imager optimized for low intensity IR light that are switched between (instead of the light sensor just causing a filter to move into position between the lens and imager). I would be surprised if something like this is not being worked on behind the scene at some of the big trail cam companies. Right now I imagine it would be too expensive to build and market a camera like that.

Actually, Cuddeback did that many years ago (although it was "red glow" not blackflash).

It was called the Cuddeback "NO FLASH", properly relabeled by me as the Cuddeback "NO COUNT". BSK & I both got suckered into buying them. And YEARS AGO they cost almost as much as a Reconyx. The "NO COUNT" nightime images were so poor & blurry that most were just totally useless. Worse, that "invisible" red glow was very bright and commonly caused cam avoidance.

IMO, the Cuddeback NO FLASH was the biggest blunder ever achieved by a major manufacturer of trail cams. VERY OVERPRICED PIECE of JUNK.

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