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#3284070 - 07/06/13 06:54 PM Might have Trouble with a preacher man
dh1984
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I'm sorry for this long reading but i just needed to vent this off my chest before i go to jail for a domestic assault charge.

Any way i have This preacher man that just bought the 45 acres next to me and he seemed pretty nice and everything but i beg to differ.I have been goin over on my property next to his and started preparing a few salt licks and putting up a few trail cams over them also. Then i'm starting to put up stands and everything. Now this is where i think i'm going to have trouble.

I meet this guy i think twice since he bought the land next to me and started to finish a house that was left unfinished.don't get me wrong he's been working about 3 weeks and the house is almost finished. but i told him that my property joins his at the top of the ridge and he might see me from time to time riding my atv to check on stuff.he said that's fine that i could use his property if i couldn't get up my trial. i told him i appreciate him letting me use his land to go check on my stuff up there. he said no problem he's glad to help.

But anyway i use a ATV to check my cams and tree stands. i'm pretty sure alot of people do it like that.my ATV is pretty quite to where i can hear stuff moving in the woods around me. anyway i went today to check my cams that been out about a week and plus to check my tree stands to make sure they are still there.

Well i came up on the first trail camera and i opened it and it was turned off. i figure i forgot to turn it on or something (i have done that in the past) but anyway i turned it back on and made sure it was taking pictures.Then checked my deer stand to make sure it was still there and it was. well i left that cam and deer stand and went to my other one.when i pulled up to the salt lick i seen a lot of sign around the salt lick but when i opened the camera up it was turned off also.

That's when something struck me as kinda of odd. well i started looking around to see if anyone has been there. it's pretty soggy every where right now but i found somebody's boot prints around the camera that wasn't mine or any of my brothers boots. that when i got to thinking that someone is turning off my cameras on purpose. well about 10 minutes ago i went and checked on my cameras again.

I didn't ride my Atv this time or did i use the same trail i came in a different way then what i used with the ATV. well i came up on the first camera and found the same boot prints as the first one i seen at the second camera location.i made sure everything was still there then started towards the second Trail cam location and that's when i found the preacher man walking from the way where my other trail cam is at.

I asked him if he seen anyone up here messing with my trail cams and stuff and he told me that he hasn't seen anyone up around there. and i told him what happened earlier today and said Hmm i haven't seen anyone up around here.So we talked a bit and then i told him i was going back to the house. but i really didn't i went and checked my other camera and found that someone with them same boots had been there just right before i got there.

well i turned it back on and then took out a lock out of my hunting vest that i keep in it and locked the second camera where no one could turn it off no more. then this is where i got to thinking i might know who it was that was turning my cams off.I can't prove it but something is telling me deep down that it's the preacher man that is turning my cams off.But like i said i can't prove if it's him or whoever turning them off until i get a picture of him or whoever doing it.

But anyway i started to think again and said to my self better go back out towards the other cam and check it again and put a lock on it just in case it gets turned off again.Well a short walk later i get back to my 1st trail cam and sure enough there's them same boot prints as before this time right next to the tree that my camera is on. well without thinking i opened the door on the camera and sure enough it was turned back off again. then i said to my self that i know for dang sure i turned it on and made sure it was taking pictures.That's when i turn it back on for a second time and put a lock on it also.

well i didn't think about it until now that i think the preacher man is messing with my hunting equipment.But i really don't have no proof to lead to if it was him or not but i'm about to go get a few more cameras to make a trap to see who it is. I'll just have to climb up a tree close to it and angle it down the other cams.

But if it is the preacher man how would you go about telling him not to mess with your stuff on your land? i got no trespassing signs all the way around my land on the line. there is no way he cant say he didn't see them.But anyway if i do get proof of him messing around my trail cams and plus trespassing on my land how would you go about telling him not to be messing with your trail cams and to not be on your land??

Any advice would gratefully appreciated.
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#3284075 - 07/06/13 06:59 PM Re: Might have Trouble with a preacher man [Re: dh1984]
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Hide a camera watching your camera. Put it up in a tree if you have to looking down. Just make sure it is hidden well. That way you will have proof.
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#3284087 - 07/06/13 07:10 PM Re: Might have Trouble with a preacher man [Re: Deerhunter]
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#3284091 - 07/06/13 07:12 PM Re: Might have Trouble with a preacher man [Re: Deerhunter]
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You have already told him. Next time if you have proof face him with it and tell him a little stronger, and hope that takes care of it.
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#3284133 - 07/06/13 07:49 PM Re: Might have Trouble with a preacher man [Re: Deerhunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Deerhunter
Hide a camera watching your camera. Put it up in a tree if you have to looking down. Just make sure it is hidden well. That way you will have proof.


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#3284143 - 07/06/13 08:01 PM Re: Might have Trouble with a preacher man [Re: dovahkiin]
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When you saw him in the woods, did you check to see what kind of boots he was wearing?

Like others have said, put hidden camera facing one of the other cameras. It's hard to beat pictures for proof.
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#3284145 - 07/06/13 08:02 PM Re: Might have Trouble with a preacher man [Re: dovahkiin]
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Can't say what I would do I would print the pictures off and confront him... the tone and attitude he decides to take would decide my next action..
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#3284154 - 07/06/13 08:15 PM Re: Might have Trouble with a preacher man [Re: Mossy Oak]
dh1984
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 Originally Posted By: Mossy Oak
When you saw him in the woods, did you check to see what kind of boots he was wearing?

Like others have said, put hidden camera facing one of the other cameras. It's hard to beat pictures for proof.


i looked at his boots and they look just like the ones that i have seen around the trail cams. but Like they always say pictures are worth a 1000 words. Me and dad is going tomorrow and check some prices on a few more game cams.

I'm going to put up a trap to catch him or who ever it is and then i'm getting them for trespassing and plus tampering with my property.
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#3284160 - 07/06/13 08:22 PM Re: Might have Trouble with a preacher man [Re: dh1984]
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first thing. quit using his land to access them. that in his mind is a reciprocal agreement to use yours. second, leave the atv at the house, u wont catch him announcing your self on that thing. be diligent and u will catch him red handed
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#3284180 - 07/06/13 08:46 PM Re: Might have Trouble with a preacher man [Re: redblood]
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 Originally Posted By: redblood
first thing. quit using his land to access them. that in his mind is a reciprocal agreement to use yours. second, leave the atv at the house, u wont catch him announcing your self on that thing. be diligent and u will catch him red handed


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#3284194 - 07/06/13 08:59 PM Re: Might have Trouble with a preacher man [Re: Poleaxe]
dh1984
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Ok gotcha i i'll remember to leave it at the house and walk in here in a few days and see if i can catch him.
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#3284208 - 07/06/13 09:18 PM Re: Might have Trouble with a preacher man [Re: dh1984]
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Yeah, I would take cam 2 and put it on cam 1 until you are not having issues anymore. I would also tell him that until you can figure out who's doing it, ask him to stay off the property and you will his.
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#3284209 - 07/06/13 09:20 PM Re: Might have Trouble with a preacher man [Re: dh1984]
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He knows you are on to him , doubt you have any more trouble with him.
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#3284215 - 07/06/13 09:30 PM Re: Might have Trouble with a preacher man [Re: Poleaxe]
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Hide a camera up high overlooking one of your cams. When you get pics, print them off and thumb-tac them to his front door, then don't do anything. If it still happens, I'd lay into the dude....I don't care who he is.

Actually, I'd probably go straight to him and tell to get the hell away \:D . I have zero tolerance for that crap
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#3284234 - 07/06/13 09:47 PM Re: Might have Trouble with a preacher man [Re: JCDEERMAN]
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Did your cameras not get a pic of the person turning them off. Unless he knew the location of them before hand & was able to slip up from behind, I don't really see how they could have missed them. As far as telling him about it goes that one is pretty simple to me. Tell him to stay off your land and & quit messing with your camera or the law will be involved or one of you will get a butt stomping. Also, don't put it past him lying to your face just because he is a preacher.
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#3284261 - 07/06/13 10:32 PM Re: Might have Trouble with a preacher man [Re: TheAirMan]
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#3284277 - 07/06/13 11:09 PM Re: Might have Trouble with a preacher man [Re: dh1984]
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A preacher man is still a man.....they aren't all honest or righteous.
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#3284280 - 07/06/13 11:14 PM Re: Might have Trouble with a preacher man [Re: TAFKAP]
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I would check the cameras for pics of him, set up a trap, then just confront him about it and explain very sternly that it won't be tolerated anymore and the law will be involved next time
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#3284291 - 07/06/13 11:26 PM Re: Might have Trouble with a preacher man [Re: DirtyBear0311]
rem270
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Id try to be nice as possible. But not sure how nice id be. Id for sure tell him you were going to quit accessing your property through his and for him not be be on yours.
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#3284293 - 07/06/13 11:31 PM Re: Might have Trouble with a preacher man [Re: Poleaxe]
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Set up the additional camera from above . Stop using his land . Then once you get the pic , take it to him and explain you don't care if he's the pope he can go to jail just like anyone else can. Tell him to Leave your stuff alone and you won't bother with ever stepping foot on his prop.
It's obvious he's the one doing it if you caught him close to the cam . He shouldn't be lying anyways nor should he be messing with someone else's property on their property . I'd tell him to take a hike, he's no better than me or you just because he's a preacher.

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#3284310 - 07/06/13 11:50 PM Re: Might have Trouble with a preacher man [Re: DeerKiller2012]
Eric Kilby
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Get a picture of him messing with the camera and a picture of a house on fire and nail it to his door.... subtle and he should get the hint
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#3284315 - 07/07/13 12:08 AM Re: Might have Trouble with a preacher man [Re: Poleaxe]
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Get a pic of him messing with your camera then turn your phone to record and ask him if he has been messing with your cameras...If he says no send copy of pic and recording to his church committee.
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#3284321 - 07/07/13 12:21 AM Re: Might have Trouble with a preacher man [Re: rem270]
dh1984
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 Originally Posted By: rem270
Id try to be nice as possible. But not sure how nice id be. Id for sure tell him you were going to quit accessing your property through his and for him not be be on yours.


i just got done telling him i don't want on my land and i will stop using his.Then he asked me if i had any more problems after i put them locks on them camera's.That's when i lost my cool and told him i will have the law on his *** if he keeps at it.

i told him i don't take to kindly to someone messing with my stuff on my land. He might have done that up north where he came from but he will not be doin it here in redneck country.

then he tried to get smart then i told him he better leave my stuff alone or i will have the law knocking on his door. then i left and came back home and still mad as a hornet.
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#3284325 - 07/07/13 12:34 AM Re: Might have Trouble with a preacher man [Re: dh1984]
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I agree with what was said before. Just because the camera was off doesn't mean the card was empty. I would make a copy of each SD card, and put it back in the camera with the locks. At least, you'll know without a doubt that it was him. It seems like he made it pretty obvious.

If you didn't tell him he could use your property when he said you could use his, you would at least have proof he was on your property without your permission. I'm not sure what that's worth, but you would have hard proof. I can't think of any logical reason he would have to turn off your cameras. I would have had to ask why he did it after the locks comment.
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#3284326 - 07/07/13 12:36 AM Re: Might have Trouble with a preacher man [Re: dh1984]
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Good for you. Hope that set him straight
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#3284328 - 07/07/13 12:42 AM Re: Might have Trouble with a preacher man [Re: BigD_625]
dh1984
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 Originally Posted By: BigD_625
I agree with what was said before. Just because the camera was off doesn't mean the card was empty. I would make a copy of each SD card, and put it back in the camera with the locks. At least, you'll know without a doubt that it was him. It seems like he made it pretty obvious.

If you didn't tell him he could use your property when he said you could use his, you would at least have proof he was on your property without your permission. I'm not sure what that's worth, but you would have hard proof. I can't think of any logical reason he would have to turn off your cameras. I would have had to ask why he did it after the locks comment.


don't ask me either i can't figure out why he was turning them off for. i checked the cameras and haven't seen him on there but i have seen his dogs almost all the time before the cameras got shut off.

and i got thinking every time i have seen this guy his dogs was right with him. so i just put 2 and 2 together and figured it was him.that when i went and told him off.
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#3284344 - 07/07/13 03:27 AM Re: Might have Trouble with a preacher man [Re: dh1984]
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What denomination is he?
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#3284349 - 07/07/13 04:25 AM Re: Might have Trouble with a preacher man [Re: farmin68]
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Him being a preacher should have nothing to do with the situation.

It does sound odd though. Why would he care if you are taking pictures?
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#3284352 - 07/07/13 04:40 AM Re: Might have Trouble with a preacher man [Re: BamaProud]
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 Originally Posted By: BamaProud
Him being a preacher should have nothing to do with the situation.

It does sound odd though. Why would he care if you are taking pictures?


May be an animal lover???? Maybe he is afraid of getting his pic taken stump breaking a goat!?
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#3284385 - 07/07/13 06:44 AM Re: Might have Trouble with a preacher man [Re: hunter0925]
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Sounds like you have done all you can for now.
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#3284412 - 07/07/13 07:38 AM Re: Might have Trouble with a preacher man [Re: KPH]
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Your whole case is based off of speculation with no hardcore proof.

I've been running trail cams for over 10 years with many different makes and models. I've yet to find a camera that was in "live mode" that I can open the door to access the on/off controls and it not take a picture of me or whomever is opening it. And that's with me knowing the location of the camera and how to open the doors. If somebody is unaware of the presence of the cameras and or unfamiliar with how to open them...it had to have taken a picture of them before it was turned off...ESPECIALLY with multiple cameras involved with multiple cases of it happening. A person might have got lucky once and did it...but not that many times.

So without any proof...your case would go sour quick in the eyes of the law. You have no hardcore evidence of him doing what you are accusing him of...but what they do have a case of, is a verbal assault against the man on his land in which is documented here in your own admittance, along with premeditated retaliation.

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#3284427 - 07/07/13 08:01 AM Re: Might have Trouble with a preacher man [Re: Crow Terminator]
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Very odd that no pics taken of at least a hand or that "weird swing pic" as the cam door is opened just before you turn them off when checking them...odd indeed.
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#3284476 - 07/07/13 09:03 AM Re: Might have Trouble with a preacher man [Re: dh1984]
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 Originally Posted By: dh1984
 Originally Posted By: rem270
Id try to be nice as possible. But not sure how nice id be. Id for sure tell him you were going to quit accessing your property through his and for him not be be on yours.


i just got done telling him i don't want on my land and i will stop using his.Then he asked me if i had any more problems after i put them locks on them camera's.That's when i lost my cool and told him i will have the law on his *** if he keeps at it.

i told him i don't take to kindly to someone messing with my stuff on my land. He might have done that up north where he came from but he will not be doin it here in redneck country.

then he tried to get smart then i told him he better leave my stuff alone or i will have the law knocking on his door. then i left and came back home and still mad as a hornet.


I hope it stops there. But i wouldnt count on it.

Most Northerners are used to hunting on whoever. Its a different way up there. My boss is from Buffalo and he just couldnt believe we had private property and posted signs. He even tried to go whereever he wanted when he first moved down here and several people told him quick that wasnt a smart thing to do.
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#3306663 - 07/30/13 02:33 PM Re: Might have Trouble with a preacher man [Re: rem270]
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Any updates to share?
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#3306710 - 07/30/13 03:24 PM Re: Might have Trouble with a preacher man [Re: bigasports]
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When I saw the title...I thought you meant me! LOL!
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#3306720 - 07/30/13 03:35 PM Re: Might have Trouble with a preacher man [Re: pastorbmp]
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Many trail-cams have the ability to delete specific photographs in the field. If someone was familiar with trail-cams... Just saying...
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#3307184 - 07/30/13 11:49 PM Re: Might have Trouble with a preacher man [Re: bigasports]
dh1984
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 Originally Posted By: bigasports
Any updates to share?


Well they have been nothing done in a few weeks now. When I told him off he kinda backed off but one strange thing is I'm not getting no pictures of deer or anything on either cam for some reason. But ill move them to a other place that I got permission to hunt this year and see what happens there.
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#3307197 - 07/31/13 12:10 AM Re: Might have Trouble with a preacher man [Re: pastorbmp]
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 Originally Posted By: pastorbmp
When I saw the title...I thought you meant me! LOL!


\:D LOL no I would never have a problem with anyone on this site.
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#3307316 - 07/31/13 07:42 AM Re: Might have Trouble with a preacher man [Re: rem270]
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 Originally Posted By: rem270


Most Northerners are used to hunting on whoever. Its a different way up there.



Wait, wait, wait, wait.... trespassing is now another Yankee evil?? Wow, you haven't hunted in the south much then!
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#3307342 - 07/31/13 08:08 AM Re: Might have Trouble with a preacher man [Re: Nimrod777]
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The possible motive for this is just plain strange. Is there any way the cameras could have shut themselves off? Was this a new model camera that you maybe weren't familiar with? Just seems very peculiar to repeatedly turn cameras off rather than steal them outright.

But the likelyhood of you not getting any deer pictures at all since the day you told the guy to stay off your property - well that seems like some sort of retaliation is going on against you. I wonder has he used some sort of scent to drive deer away from your property such as human hair or perfume, gas, etc?? This whole ordeal is peculiar.

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#3307493 - 07/31/13 10:04 AM Re: Might have Trouble with a preacher man [Re: Poleaxe]
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#3307525 - 07/31/13 10:34 AM Re: Might have Trouble with a preacher man [Re: NBF7240]
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 Originally Posted By: NBF7240
Preacher makes no difference. You mess with my stuff, you suffer the consequences


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#3307607 - 07/31/13 11:38 AM Re: Might have Trouble with a preacher man [Re: Hunter 257W]
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 Originally Posted By: Hunter 257W
The possible motive for this is just plain strange. Is there any way the cameras could have shut themselves off? Was this a new model camera that you maybe weren't familiar with? Just seems very peculiar to repeatedly turn cameras off rather than steal them outright.

But the likelyhood of you not getting any deer pictures at all since the day you told the guy to stay off your property - well that seems like some sort of retaliation is going on against you. I wonder has he used some sort of scent to drive deer away from your property such as human hair or perfume, gas, etc?? This whole ordeal is peculiar.


The cameras that I have on my land is a wildview and a moultrie I just bought them from a member on here and they still work great like he said. But everytime I have checked them the batteries is still great and everything seems to be working as they should.

But I really don't know what he has done around my cameras but I have not got nothing not even a squirrel on them yet. So what I'm thinking about doing is take the cameras down and put them on a other piece of land that I got permission to hunt this year and see what happens.
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