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#3276821 - 06/27/13 09:40 AM Zimmerman Trial
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Is anyone watching this? Haven't found it on TV, but abcnews.com has a live feed.

The "star" witness for the prosecution is up and you can barely understand a word she says. The entire courtroom is struggling to hear and understand her. They've caught her in several lies.

Earlier today they showed her a letter she supposedly wrote to TM's mother and asked her to read it. She said she couldn't read cursive.
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#3276830 - 06/27/13 09:45 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Camp David]
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerma...26#.UcxRxego7cs


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#3276898 - 06/27/13 11:02 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: de novo]
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This whole trial is a farce, from the judge, the prosecutor, this "star" witness, on down. They should be ashamed, but it's lost on them all.
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#3276936 - 06/27/13 11:34 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Hangnail]
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There will be riots.
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#3276942 - 06/27/13 11:39 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: farmin68]
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I saw that girl on tv yesterday. Again, no one could hear her. And she was inconsistent.

I wonder if this is going to be as much of a circus as the OJ Simpson trial.
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#3276945 - 06/27/13 11:42 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: farmin68]
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 Originally Posted By: farmin68
There will be riots.


Yep.
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#3276951 - 06/27/13 11:46 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: moondawg]
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Apparently she has a hearing issue and learning impediment.. but was still able to hear Trayvon say "Get off, get off" and was able to hear someone get 'hit' and able to hear 'rolling around in wet grass'.
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#3276957 - 06/27/13 11:56 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Wildcat]
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 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
 Originally Posted By: farmin68
There will be riots.

Yep.

Indeed.
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#3276958 - 06/27/13 11:56 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: DntBrnDPig]
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Wish I had hearing like that. Maybe she can't hear because of the neckroll she's wearing. It's gonna cover her ears at some point.
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#3276965 - 06/27/13 12:00 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: preds1]
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 Originally Posted By: preds1
 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
 Originally Posted By: farmin68
There will be riots.

Yep.

Indeed.


Just looking for a reason.
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#3276994 - 06/27/13 12:36 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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Yesterday the defense lawyer made it known he wouldn't finish questioning her. She shot back, "I ain't coming back no more."

The attorney said, "Are you saying you refuse to return?"

The judge stepped in and told the attorney to keep his questions to the subject at hand and she would address that issue and asked how much longer he expected his questioning to last.

He said he had 2 or 3 more hours to go. From there he asked a couple more questions and requested they recess for the day.

She shouts out "WHAT!!!"

So today I think he's intentionally keeping her on the stand as long as he can. I'm sure she was getting hungry about noon.

I can't blame the defense attorney, as you can't understand whatever language it is she's speaking.

I loved the part where he asked her to describe the sound of "wet grass."
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#3277000 - 06/27/13 12:45 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: preds1]
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 Originally Posted By: preds1
 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
 Originally Posted By: farmin68
There will be riots.

Yep.

Indeed.


no riots they will convict
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#3277001 - 06/27/13 12:45 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Camp David]
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This trial is a national embarrassment to our justice system.
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#3277006 - 06/27/13 12:50 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: farmin68]
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The judge does seem to shut down the defense at every turn.
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#3277012 - 06/27/13 01:00 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Camp David]
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This "judge" has a history of directing counsel in the direction she wants, not what the law states. There should be very little that is not allowed if it can benefit the accused. This liberal judge is counting heavily on Zimmerman getting convicted. Her career is riding on it.
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#3277063 - 06/27/13 02:07 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Hangnail]
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Either the wrong man will get convicted or a large number in the black community will attack whites "for Trayvon" like has already happened.
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#3277068 - 06/27/13 02:11 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: DirtyBear0311]
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I see a surge in Snapple, Skittles and Hoodie sales at the end of this trial.
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#3277070 - 06/27/13 02:14 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: DirtyBear0311]
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I'm loading up, literally and figuratively, and heading to Sanford Florida. Let em riot..

More will end like trayvon.
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#3277100 - 06/27/13 02:43 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: UPSman]
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No matter the trial out come Zimmerman's life is over and has been for some time.
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#3277107 - 06/27/13 02:47 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Camp David]
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 Originally Posted By: Camp David
Is anyone watching this? Haven't found it on TV, but abcnews.com has a live feed.

The "star" witness for the prosecution is up and you can barely understand a word she says. The entire courtroom is struggling to hear and understand her. They've caught her in several lies.

Earlier today they showed her a letter she supposedly wrote to TM's mother and asked her to read it. She said she couldn't read cursive.


Comcast Channel 47 HLN.
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#3277115 - 06/27/13 02:55 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: de novo]
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 Originally Posted By: de novo

"I don't read cursive!"


Excuse me. I read cursive

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#3277123 - 06/27/13 03:14 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: MidTN]
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I honestly think they'll find him guilty. His only hope is the jury, 12 women. IMO 12 women could never agree on anything.
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#3277146 - 06/27/13 03:39 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: JeepKuntry]
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I think it's only 6 women. FL doesn't require 12 jurors.
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#3277163 - 06/27/13 04:14 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Camp David]
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Although I don't know many details on the case, if Zimmerman followed him after he was advised by police dispatch not to he was looking for a fight. He probably did shoot the kid in self defense but he got himself into that situation. Had he listened to the dispatcher he'd be a free man no doubt and the kid would have lived another day.

With all that said. I understand that the media has use old photographs and that he was starting to turn into a thug. But a kid only armed with skittles and a sweet tea is hardly suspicious.

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#3277167 - 06/27/13 04:19 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Jcalder]
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First, the dispatch did not and CAN NOT advise him on what to do.
Secondly, he was on his way back to his truck when he was ambushed because he stopped, not because he was ordered to, but because Treyvon ran (and doubled back)

Third, the "Kid" was 6' 200+ lbs armed with a watermelon drink and skittles which is 2 of the 3 ingredients needed for a ghetto drink called "Lean" - He was short some cough syrup.

Oh, and Treyvon was high per autopsy reports.
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#3277170 - 06/27/13 04:23 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Crappie Luck]
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So the dispatcher in 911 call didn't advise him not to pursue. I also know the pictures they showed on tv and the Internet were a few years old. I'm not saying he innocent. But if Zimmerman would have stayed in his truck instead of playing vigilante they'd both be in different shoes.
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#3277171 - 06/27/13 04:24 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Jcalder]
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 Originally Posted By: Jcalder
Although I don't know many details on the case, if Zimmerman followed him after he was advised by police dispatch not to he was looking for a fight.

Having a 911 operator advise you to not keep a suspicious character in sight is not a police order. Zimmerman was totally within his rights to try to keep a suspicious character within view under the circumstances (which included lots of recent home invasions in his neighborhood).

 Originally Posted By: Jcalder
. . . . if Zimmerman would have stayed in his truck instead of playing vigilante they'd both be in different shoes.

There has been zero evidence that Zimmerman "played vigilante". There have been many trying to fabricate the idea that Zimmerman was playing vigilante.

So far, almost everything about this case has been more a pursuit of political agenda than any pursuit of justice. What happened has been a tragedy for all involved.

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#3277172 - 06/27/13 04:27 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Jcalder]
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 Originally Posted By: Jcalder
S But if Zimmerman would have stayed in his truck instead of playing vigilante they'd both be in different shoes.


He was relying Treyvon's location to police.

Is THAT what you call a "Vigilante"? So calling the police and reporting suspicious activity (Walking near buildings and looking in windows) is beyond reasonable?


Have you even listened to the call or read the transcripts?


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#3277173 - 06/27/13 04:29 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Wes Parrish]
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http://phoebe53.wordpress.com/2012/03/26/zimmerman-911-call-transcript-trayvon-martin/

There's the transcript. I think it's 2:24 into the call he is asked if he was following him. And than he was told he didn't need to. Then he was basically told to wait for police. He shoulda never got out of his vehicle.

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#3277174 - 06/27/13 04:29 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Jcalder]
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 Originally Posted By: Jcalder
Although I don't know many details on the case, if Zimmerman followed him after he was advised by police dispatch not to he was looking for a fight. He probably did shoot the kid in self defense but he got himself into that situation. Had he listened to the dispatcher he'd be a free man no doubt and the kid would have lived another day.

With all that said. I understand that the media has use old photographs and that he was starting to turn into a thug. But a kid only armed with skittles and a sweet tea is hardly suspicious.


But it is not illegal to follow. It might not be smart, but its not illegal.
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#3277175 - 06/27/13 04:30 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Jcalder]
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I already posted the transcript in the political forum.

Now, what part was he being all vigilante and stuff?
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#3277176 - 06/27/13 04:32 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Jcalder]
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 Originally Posted By: Jcalder
So the dispatcher in 911 call didn't advise him not to pursue. I also know the pictures they showed on tv and the Internet were a few years old. I'm not saying he innocent. But if Zimmerman would have stayed in his truck instead of playing vigilante they'd both be in different shoes.


And if TM wouldn't have gone to the store none of it would have happened either. Bottom line is neither of them was doing anything illegal(that we know of) until one assaulted the other.
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#3277177 - 06/27/13 04:32 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: BamaProud]
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I didn't say it was illegal. But he exited his vehicle on a suspicious person. I'm sure he started getting a whipped. And I'm sure he killed the boy in self defense. But he shoulda stayed in his vehicle and waited for police. I will agree that if there was a suspicious person there and he wanted to keep an eye on him there is nothing wrong with that. But exiting the vehicle will be what gets him
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#3277183 - 06/27/13 04:34 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Jcalder]
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 Originally Posted By: Jcalder
So the dispatcher in 911 call didn't advise him not to pursue. I also know the pictures they showed on tv and the Internet were a few years old. I'm not saying he innocent. But if Zimmerman would have stayed in his truck instead of playing vigilante they'd both be in different shoes.


You've obviously never lived in an area that was plagued with a rash of burglaries and assaults. The dispatcher has no business, legal authority, or influence over what someone does.
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#3277184 - 06/27/13 04:34 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: BamaProud]
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Let's say you've had neighbors' homes all around you recently broken in to, then you see a stranger walking around your neighborhood peering into windows. Would YOU try to keep him within sight until the police arrived to take your place?

 Originally Posted By: TAFKAP
You've obviously never lived in an area that was plagued with a rash of burglaries and assaults. The dispatcher has no business, legal authority, or influence over what someone does.

Exactly right. And the whole purpose of "neighborhood watch" is to do exactly what Zimmerman was doing.

And like I said, the outcome has been tragic. But so far, the evidence supports Zimmerman's original thoughts that Treyvon Martin was in fact a young burglar, and was in fact behaving as a burglar "casing" his next home invasion. That's the very reason Zimmerman called police in the first place, and was trying to keep him in sight until the police arrived.

Although this has been suppressed from the court proceedings, did we not hear that Trayvon Martin was suspended from school for having burglar tools and stolen jewelry in his possession at school?

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#3277186 - 06/27/13 04:36 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Wes Parrish]
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If TM felt threatened by GZ, he could have called the police.
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#3277187 - 06/27/13 04:36 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Jcalder]
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Treyvon had made it back to his dad's Appt and then chose to leave again either to find Zimmerman or case houses.

He was not on his way back when this happened. He was LOOKING for trouble.
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#3277188 - 06/27/13 04:36 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: TAFKAP]
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Lol. I've been stole off of in the past few months. I live in a rough part of town. I see suspicious ppl all the time. But I would never pursue a suspicious person while on foot.
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#3277189 - 06/27/13 04:37 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: BamaProud]
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 Originally Posted By: BamaProud
If TM felt threatened by GZ, he could have called the police.


Naw, he'd have needed to hang up with Beefzilla breathing heavily on the other line first.
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#3277190 - 06/27/13 04:38 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Jcalder]
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If TM made it home and left than I will agree he was looking for trouble. But I do believe Zimmerman had the same agenda.

Like I said. I don't know all the details.


Edited by Jcalder (06/27/13 04:39 PM)

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#3277194 - 06/27/13 04:42 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Jcalder]
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His dad, a neighbor and deedee all said he was on the porch just minutes before he got shot.

If Zimmerman was looking for trouble, why was his gun still holstered when he got his head bashed on the Sidewalk? Treyvon didn't know he even had a gun until he got shot and said "you got me"
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#3277196 - 06/27/13 04:45 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Crappie Luck]
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But he exited his vehicle.
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#3277200 - 06/27/13 04:48 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Jcalder]
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 Originally Posted By: Jcalder
But he exited his vehicle.


Good. It was his dadgummed right to exit the vehicle. In real life, getting out of your car, in your neighborhood, is not illegal. It is not considered an escalation to exit your vehicle. If you start bashing my head when I get out of my truck, I'll shoot you too.
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#3277201 - 06/27/13 04:49 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Crappie Luck]
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This is a criminal trial and sooner or later, the Florida Stand Your Ground Law will be read to the jury. And that will be that. One, it only takes one, of those 6 women will see that Zimmerman was watching out for trouble and he was right to do so because he was jumped and then defended himself.

Zimmerman will walk. The gangs and hoodlums will be out looking for trouble hiding amongst others protesting the trial and I really believe all hell is going to break loose.

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#3277203 - 06/27/13 04:50 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Jcalder]
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Yea. I'm just failing to see how that is an issue. It's an apt complex and he is the Elected Neighborhood watch capt.

I just don't see the logic in saying that because there is a possible bugler in the neighborhood that Zimmerman is automatically on "house arrest" in his own vehicle.

I've never heard before that and fail to see the logic in it.

If he was looking for trouble, looking to shoot someone, why would he be on the phone with the police dispatch telling them step by step what is going on?
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#3277205 - 06/27/13 04:52 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Jcalder]
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Zimmerman was convicted before the trial ever began. It's become a racial issue since the beginning and an all women (mothers) jury to finish him off.
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#3277206 - 06/27/13 04:52 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Crappie Luck]
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The Florida stand you ground law is irrelevant. He has a right to defend himself when his head is being bashed into the sidewalk.

The stand your ground law was applicable for the 2 seconds between when Treyvon said "You have a problem? - Well you do now" and when he punched him.

After that, it's self defense. That's why he wasn't charged for 44 days until the liberal press decided to make a race issue out of it.
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#3277215 - 06/27/13 04:57 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Jcalder]
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If GZ is aquitted and there are riots, I'd almost bet the majority of "rioters" didn't watch one minute of the trial.

The girl friend said several times yesterday that she didn't watch the news.
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#3277217 - 06/27/13 05:00 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Camp David]
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Maybe the news is in cursive...
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#3277228 - 06/27/13 05:14 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Crappie Luck]
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Hate it for GZ. Hope they do the right thing and find him not guilty.
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#3277234 - 06/27/13 05:21 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: rabbit hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: rabbit hunter
Zimmerman was convicted before the trial ever began. It's become a racial issue since the beginning and an all women (mothers) jury to finish him off.


Heck, I heard Paula Dean was cooking at Zimmermans house that night!
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#3277237 - 06/27/13 05:23 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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Oh........never mind \:D
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#3277248 - 06/27/13 05:32 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: BamaProud]
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 Originally Posted By: BamaProud
If TM felt threatened by GZ, he could have called the police.


You know, that's an excellent point and I hope the defense doesn't overlook it.
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#3277257 - 06/27/13 05:45 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Camp David]
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One more thing, it makes no sense for GZ to call the cops and then assault or murder someone, initiating a physical confrontation, knowing the cops would be there shortly. He also waited for the cops to get there, turned over his gun(understanding there would be an investigation), and cooperated with the investigation.
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#3277265 - 06/27/13 05:50 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Camp David]
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My point is this. He was appointed as the nighborhood watch. He sees what he believes is a suspicious person and calls the police like he should. He proceeds to follow the individual. Nothing at this point is anything that I would not expect from a neighborhood watch person. Whether or not TM made it home and left is something I haven't heard. But I'll take your word on it. Since he left I'm sure he was looking for a confrontation. His best interest would have been to report being followed and the dispatcher could have notified him of what was going on. But that didn't happen. GZ at some point exited his vehicle. No one said he was on house arrest in his own vehicle or nothing is illegal about getting out. But why would you exit your vehicle when police are on the way. He exited his vehicle looking for a confrontation. And when the confrontation didn't turn out like he planned he had to kill the teen. I'm not saying TM is innocent in all this. As I said before I don't know all the details. But if I can see a suspicious person in my neighborhood and police are on the way I would not leave my vehicle. It's not his responsibility. GZ was looking for a chance to make a name for himself and now he's getting it.
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#3277274 - 06/27/13 05:57 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Camp David]
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 Originally Posted By: Camp David
If GZ is aquitted and there are riots, I'd almost bet the majority of "rioters" didn't watch one minute of the trial.

The girl friend said several times yesterday that she didn't watch the news.


The people that will riot have no job and are just waiting to hear the verdict of this trial. They will be out the door burning things and tearing up stuff if GZ is not convicted of murder!
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#3277283 - 06/27/13 06:05 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Jcalder]
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 Originally Posted By: Jcalder
Since he left I'm sure he was looking for a confrontation.

He exited his vehicle looking for a confrontation.



What evidence do you have to support that?

Maybe he just wanted to help the cops keep track of a person he thought was up to no good.
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#3277284 - 06/27/13 06:10 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: BamaProud]
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 Originally Posted By: BamaProud
 Originally Posted By: Jcalder
Since he left I'm sure he was looking for a confrontation.

He exited his vehicle looking for a confrontation.



What evidence do you have to support that?

Maybe he just wanted to help the cops keep track of a person he thought was up to no good.


Why didn't he wait for the cops. I see no reason to leave a vehicle and track a suspicion person without the intent of a confrontation. Either violent or peaceful there was gonna be a confrontation.

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#3277304 - 06/27/13 06:55 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Jcalder]
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Oh yeah, call 911 and report a suspicious man walking in your neighborhood. At the time of the call, measure your beard. You'll look like Grizzly Adams before they show up in most towns.
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#3277309 - 06/27/13 07:03 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Jcalder]
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I wonder if GZ will testify. He's the only witness. Seems like he would.

JC, I know you aren't up to date on what's going on, but there hasn't been any testemony that GZ broke any law. He may have made a decision that you might not have, but he didn't break a law, as far as I've seen.

Although this is much about race, so far, the only racial statements, according to a witness, were made by TM, although she didn't view them as racist.

Prosocution is trying to say "cracker" isn't racist in their "culture" or "age group." Go figure.

I wonder if there's such a thing as a black cracker?
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#3277310 - 06/27/13 07:05 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Camp David]
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They can't use "cracker". Thats OUR word
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#3277312 - 06/27/13 07:09 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Crappie Luck]
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Is the word democrat racist?
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#3277315 - 06/27/13 07:12 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Camp David]
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Not the word, just the history \:D
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#3277319 - 06/27/13 07:17 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Camp David]
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 Originally Posted By: Camp David
Is the word democrat racist?


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#3277327 - 06/27/13 07:36 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Camp David]
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 Originally Posted By: Camp David
I wonder if GZ will testify. He's the only witness. Seems like he would.

JC, I know you aren't up to date on what's going on, but there hasn't been any testemony that GZ broke any law. He may have made a decision that you might not have, but he didn't break a law, as far as I've seen.

Although this is much about race, so far, the only racial statements, according to a witness, were made by TM, although she didn't view them as racist.

Prosocution is trying to say "cracker" isn't racist in their "culture" or "age group." Go figure.

I wonder if there's such a thing as a black cracker?


I will agree 100% that I'm not up to speed on all this. I'm also not saying he broke any laws. But why would a neighborhood watch guy get out of his vehicle to pursue a suspicious person. I believe he had an agenda that night. But I will say without knowing all the evidence I may be missing something far more important than the my point.

I will also agree its more of race trial than anything. If it was a black guy killing a white guy he would have either been hung already or it would have never made the news and we wouldn't be having this conversation

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#3277330 - 06/27/13 07:39 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Camp David]
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 Originally Posted By: Camp David
I wonder if GZ will testify. He's the only witness. Seems like he would....


Highly unlikely, unless the defense believes things are going very badly and there's nothing to lose.
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#3277348 - 06/27/13 08:16 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Jcalder]
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Im not going to argue about this but I will give my 2 cents and be done. I have not read what has gone on in trial the last day 1/2 but I have had the same opinion since this has happend. I think Zimmerman messed up and killed a kid. I do believe he will be found guilty.
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#3277351 - 06/27/13 08:21 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Jcalder]
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 Originally Posted By: Jcalder

If it was a black guy killing a white guy he would have either been hung already or it would have never made the news and we wouldn't be having this conversation


I agree with the last part of your statement, where it would have never made the news if a black guy killed a white guy. We don't hang people these days.

Shortly after this happened, we were driving through Fayette county and saw 4 or 5 Travon supporters walking down Highway 64, wearing hoodies and carrying signs that said "Justice for Trayvon."

What about just justice? Is there something wrong with that?
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#3277354 - 06/27/13 08:32 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Jcalder]
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 Originally Posted By: Jcalder
My point is this. He was appointed as the nighborhood watch. He sees what he believes is a suspicious person and calls the police like he should. He proceeds to follow the individual. Nothing at this point is anything that I would not expect from a neighborhood watch person. Whether or not TM made it home and left is something I haven't heard. But I'll take your word on it. Since he left I'm sure he was looking for a confrontation. His best interest would have been to report being followed and the dispatcher could have notified him of what was going on. But that didn't happen. GZ at some point exited his vehicle. No one said he was on house arrest in his own vehicle or nothing is illegal about getting out. But why would you exit your vehicle when police are on the way. He exited his vehicle looking for a confrontation. And when the confrontation didn't turn out like he planned he had to kill the teen. I'm not saying TM is innocent in all this. As I said before I don't know all the details. But if I can see a suspicious person in my neighborhood and police are on the way I would not leave my vehicle. It's not his responsibility. GZ was looking for a chance to make a name for himself and now he's getting it.


What is more suspicious, A man in a vehicle following you at walking speed or someone who is say 50 yards behind you maintaining that distance and not approaching you? I would have been out of my vehicle too if I was trying to keep an eye on a suspicious individual on foot.
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#3277356 - 06/27/13 08:33 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: arctic_cat]
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 Originally Posted By: arctic_cat
Im not going to argue about this but I will give my 2 cents and be done. I have not read what has gone on in trial the last day 1/2 but I have had the same opinion since this has happend. I think Zimmerman messed up and killed a kid. I do believe he will be found guilty.


Watch the trial, not what the media puts out. You haven't "read what has gone on." You had the "same opinion" since it happened, probably based on media coverage.

Please, watch watch the trial. Nothing so far says GZ did any wrong or violated any law.
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#3277360 - 06/27/13 08:37 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Unicam]
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I would prefer that the police do their jobs. Maybe I have too much faith in them and y'all have none. But I don't see how him getting out of his vehicle and confronting a suspicious individual is justified. I would really be interested on what was said when they confronted each other. I can guarantee none of it was of a professional manner.
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#3277390 - 06/27/13 09:10 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Jcalder]
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If you were protecting your own property, what you do?
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#3277392 - 06/27/13 09:15 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Camp David]
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Protecting your property has stipulations. All of what they are I don't know. I also know our laws are different than Florida's
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#3277395 - 06/27/13 09:16 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Camp David]
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 Originally Posted By: Camp David
I wonder if there's such a thing as a black cracker?


Michael Jackson?
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#3277398 - 06/27/13 09:17 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Jcalder]
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I know you can't shoot someone in your driveway that's breaking into your car. As bad as they need it its not legal. Unless of course your in your vehicle and feel threatened
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#3277401 - 06/27/13 09:19 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: arctic_cat]
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 Originally Posted By: arctic_cat
Im not going to argue about this but I will give my 2 cents and be done. I have not read what has gone on in trial the last day 1/2 but I have had the same opinion since this has happend. I think Zimmerman messed up and killed a kid. I do believe he will be found guilty.


Messed up how?

By not analyzing in a split second that political correctness may over rule the rule of law ala OJ Simpson?
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#3277426 - 06/27/13 10:00 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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What I fail to understand is why Zimmerman was out running around the neighborhood with a handgun knowing hoodlums were lurking about. I'd have been carrying a pump shotgun loaded with #4 buckshot. \:\)
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#3277451 - 06/27/13 10:39 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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 Originally Posted By: Pic IN the Casa
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I wonder if there's such a thing as a black cracker?


Michael Jackson?


lol
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#3277467 - 06/27/13 11:36 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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 Originally Posted By: Pic IN the Casa
 Originally Posted By: arctic_cat
Im not going to argue about this but I will give my 2 cents and be done. I have not read what has gone on in trial the last day 1/2 but I have had the same opinion since this has happend. I think Zimmerman messed up and killed a kid. I do believe he will be found guilty.


Messed up how?

By not analyzing in a split second that political correctness may over rule the rule of law ala OJ Simpson?




Like I said, Im not going to debate this. My first thought when this happend was he may not have done the right thing. It may have been how the medie reported it or whatever, and it still may be that way. Im working midnights this month and I try to read whats going on with the trial on the net when I have time at work. Either way we will see how it all plays out before to long
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#3277469 - 06/27/13 11:40 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: arctic_cat]
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#3277476 - 06/27/13 11:58 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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No intention to offend or disrespect the dead but bottom line here...TM was a thug punk who had been kicked out of school..smoked dope...had dope or dope residue on him..jumped Zimmerman...had the unfortunate dealing of sorry [censored] parents who didn't do a parenting job worth a crap. Zimmerman was doing a volunteer job in helping his neighbors. Now..his life is ruined. The best he can hope for is to not go to prison. If we had more Zimmermans and less Trayvons in this world we would all be in a safer world.
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#3277540 - 06/28/13 06:39 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: eightpointer]
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#3277619 - 06/28/13 09:26 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Jcalder]
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 Originally Posted By: Jcalder
I would prefer that the police do their jobs. Maybe I have too much faith in them and y'all have none. But I don't see how him getting out of his vehicle and confronting a suspicious individual is justified. I would really be interested on what was said when they confronted each other. I can guarantee none of it was of a professional manner.


The problem was that the police had been called out numerous times for burglaries and break-ins in this community, but arrived too late. TM fit the description of the perps in previous break-ins, and that is why GZ was following him and not letting him out of his sight. The perps had gotten away every time beforehand when people had "just let the police do their job." He was worried that one of these break-ins may lead to someone getting hurt or killed in their own hoe the next time.

Remember, GZ had a family that lived in this neighborhood, and he was looking out for them and his friends. What would you do if you felt that there was a chance that your family could be hurt by repeat offenders that police couldn't catch?

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#3277622 - 06/28/13 09:30 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Jcalder]
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 Originally Posted By: BamaProud
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Since he left I'm sure he was looking for a confrontation.

He exited his vehicle looking for a confrontation.



What evidence do you have to support that?

Maybe he just wanted to help the cops keep track of a person he thought was up to no good.


Why didn't he wait for the cops. I see no reason to leave a vehicle and track a suspicion person without the intent of a confrontation. Either violent or peaceful there was gonna be a confrontation.


Because he didn't want the person he suspected(wrongly or not) was up to no good to get away.

You are projecting criminal intent based on lawful acts.
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#3277623 - 06/28/13 09:32 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Hangnail]
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Oh yeah, call 911 and report a suspicious man walking in your neighborhood. At the time of the call, measure your beard. You'll look like Grizzly Adams before they show up in most towns.


They were there within a couple of minutes.
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#3277627 - 06/28/13 09:39 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: BamaProud]
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 Originally Posted By: BamaProud
 Originally Posted By: Hangnail
Oh yeah, call 911 and report a suspicious man walking in your neighborhood. At the time of the call, measure your beard. You'll look like Grizzly Adams before they show up in most towns.


They were there within a couple of minutes.
And that was still no fast enough.

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#3277629 - 06/28/13 09:50 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: lung-buster]
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but It does seem that the people in this thread who think GZ is the guilty party admit they are not quite up to speed on the details outlined in the ongoing trial.

The media convicted GZ a year ago. He may indeed be guilty, I have changed my mind several times, but the more facts that come out, the more it looks like TM attacked GZ and was killed in self defense.

I just hope the public accepts the decision of the jury and it doesn't result in more violence.
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#3277630 - 06/28/13 09:54 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: lung-buster]
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 Originally Posted By: BamaProud
 Originally Posted By: Hangnail
Oh yeah, call 911 and report a suspicious man walking in your neighborhood. At the time of the call, measure your beard. You'll look like Grizzly Adams before they show up in most towns.


They were there within a couple of minutes.
And that was still no fast enough.


Law enforcement response will never be fast enough until we are able to teleport like in Star Treck. ...thus the need to defend ourselves.
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#3277631 - 06/28/13 09:54 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: BamaProud]
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but It does seem that the people in this thread who think GZ is the guilty party admit they are not quite up to speed on the details outlined in the ongoing trial.

The media convicted GZ a year ago. He may indeed be guilty, I have changed my mind several times, but the more facts that come out, the more it looks like TM attacked GZ and was killed in self defense.

I just hope the public accepts the decision of the jury and it doesn't result in more violence.



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#3277636 - 06/28/13 10:08 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: EastTNHunter]
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 Originally Posted By: BamaProud
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but It does seem that the people in this thread who think GZ is the guilty party admit they are not quite up to speed on the details outlined in the ongoing trial.

The media convicted GZ a year ago. He may indeed be guilty, I have changed my mind several times, but the more facts that come out, the more it looks like TM attacked GZ and was killed in self defense.

I just hope the public accepts the decision of the jury and it doesn't result in more violence.



X2 100%


Yes but that will not happen. See also Rodney King. Even though that was a different type of case, people aren't going to accept it and are going to riot.

Kinda makes me wonder... What if Christians and white people started rioting and acting violently when things don't go or way.... ;\)
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#3277654 - 06/28/13 10:27 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: BamaProud]
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 Originally Posted By: BamaProud
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but It does seem that the people in this thread who think GZ is the guilty party admit they are not quite up to speed on the details outlined in the ongoing trial.

The media convicted GZ a year ago. He may indeed be guilty, I have changed my mind several times, but the more facts that come out, the more it looks like TM attacked GZ and was killed in self defense.

I just hope the public accepts the decision of the jury and it doesn't result in more violence.



I'm not questioning whether TM attacked GZ or not. I'm sure he did. The part that I don't know and I'm not sure anyone other than the 2 individuals know is what happened when GZ got off the phone with 911. Someone got shot but what happened in the moments leading up to that. If TM initiated it I still see some fault on GZ. If GZ initiated it I feel he's guilty 100%. Until all the facts come out the best we can do is speculate on what really happened. But I don't see all the facts coming out

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#3277672 - 06/28/13 10:46 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Jcalder]
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I'm not questioning whether TM attacked GZ or not. I'm sure he did. The part that I don't know and I'm not sure anyone other than the 2 individuals know is what happened when GZ got off the phone with 911. Someone got shot but what happened in the moments leading up to that. If TM initiated it I still see some fault on GZ. If GZ initiated it I feel he's guilty 100%. Until all the facts come out the best we can do is speculate on what really happened. But I don't see all the facts coming out


I don't understand how you can say you are sure TM attacked GZ, but GZ is still guilty. Guilty of what? Following someone? Asking them what they are doing? None of that is illegal.

I cant justifiably attack the next person I suspect is following me at Walmart or beat the crap out of someone if they ask me how my day is going.

If GZ confronted TM by punching him in the face, sure he is guilty of initiating a physical confrontation that led to murder, but thus far no evidence indicates that happened. Asking someone what they are doing, even in a confrontational/stern manner isn't justification for an all out physical attack.
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#3277676 - 06/28/13 10:50 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: BamaProud]
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GZ did not play the proper victim and ignore wrong doing. Therefor HE is part of the problem for "snitching". That is what I'm getting out of these suggestions.
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#3277680 - 06/28/13 10:55 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Crappie Luck]
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I'm not against him following him and keeping an eye on him. But exiting the vehicle and going on a foot pursuit is more than he shod have done
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#3277686 - 06/28/13 11:07 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Jcalder]
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Bogus argument which has changed several times as opinions have been refuted by facts.

Its obvious that an agenda is at play here.

There is no "right" to do what-ever you please, where-ever you please, when-ever you please, without question by anybody for any reason.

Did you know that the police have no "duty to protect" ? The police only have a duty to investigate and testify.

Another bad thought process of leaving everything to the government (police in this case) and being a helpless victim.

It is a sign of maturity to admit you are wrong. There is no shame in admitting that you came to a mistaken conclusion from incomplete/wrong facts. It IS an embarrassment of ego to refuse to reassess your opinion when new facts are presented.
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#3277690 - 06/28/13 11:11 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: fishboy1]
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I heard last night that our cursive-challenged witness was brought to the MARTINS HOUSE for questioning BY THE POLICE!!!!!

How shoddy is that?
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#3277700 - 06/28/13 11:20 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Jcalder]
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 Originally Posted By: Jcalder
I'm not against him following him and keeping an eye on him. But exiting the vehicle and going on a foot pursuit is more than he shod have done


In your opinion. In others opinion, his actions were acceptable.

Opinions don't matter laws matter. In getting out of his truck, he didn't break any laws. Whoever initiated the physical attack broke the law and is therefore the guilty party.
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#3277757 - 06/28/13 12:33 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: BamaProud]
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Yet another witness on the stand that collaborates almost exactly what GZ told the police.

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#3277758 - 06/28/13 12:38 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: BamaProud]
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A prosecution's witness. We haven't even gotten to the defense yet and the prosecution has made their case.
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#3277783 - 06/28/13 01:01 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Crappie Luck]
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I think the defense should motion for a directed verdict

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directed_verdict
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#3277788 - 06/28/13 01:05 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
I think the defense should motion for a directed verdict

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directed_verdict


Exactly.

Then the phony vilification of the police for shoddy detective work can begin. Can't admit it was a political racial witch hunt to keep the black community on the plantation, gotta be "the man's" fault somehow.
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#3277793 - 06/28/13 01:15 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: fishboy1]
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If 2012 had not been a Presidential election year, George Zimmerman would never have been arrested, and there would be no spectacle now being called a trial.

Democratic operatives, including specifically President Barack Obama, made the purposeful decision to make this tragedy into a political issue, and farther the racial divide in so doing.

Every day, there are outright murders and even worse tragedies involving men, women, and children all across America, but especially so in our big cities such as Chicago ---- it's just that this particular one fit into election-year politics better than most at the time, and has been made into a spectacle.

A spectacle over politics, not justice.

I do not want to take away from the true tragedy this was and has been to the Martin and Zimmerman families. But it is also a shameful tragedy that our President became involved, choosing sides and declaring Zimmerman guilty without trial, for his own political agenda. Obama's involvement in the Martin-Zimmerman tragedy is reminiscent of his prior unsolicited involvement, also political, where he nationally declared from his pulpit the Cambridge police "behaved stupidly" simply for doing what police officers are supposed to be doing, i.e. investigating what appeared to be a home invasion.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0709/Obama_Cambridge_police_acted_stupidly.html

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#3277794 - 06/28/13 01:17 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Wes Parrish]
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The MSM is stoking the fire and setting up riots.

Contrast this screen shot to the actual testimony


"At first it was "What's going on," and no one answered,' " Good said, describing calling out to the men. "And then at that point the person on the bottom, I could finally see, I heard a 'help.' Then at some point I said 'Cut it out.' And then, 'I'm calling 911.' That's when I thought it was getting really serious."

The altercation seemed to escalate, according to Good. The struggle moved to the cement pathway, and he said the person in dark clothing straddled the other man in "mixed martial arts position" he later described to police as a "ground and pound." He said he saw "arm movements going downward," though he couldn't be certain the person on top was striking the person on the bottom.

"The person you now know to be Trayvon Martin was on top, correct?" asked defense attorney Mark O'Mara. "He was the one raining blows down on George Zimmerman, correct?"

"That's what it looked like," Good answered.
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#3277818 - 06/28/13 02:08 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Crappie Luck]
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Haven't looked at trial don't care to look at the trial, All I know is the liberal news media will explode this and well if the other happens good luck to those ------ that they think they can just kill us white men

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#3277859 - 06/28/13 02:51 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Stalkhunter]
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It's a shame the judge would not let the defense show evidence that Treyvon was a gangster thug. So far the prosecution has nothing. Their witness's have helped out the defense more than the prosecution. So far everything George did was within his constitutional rights.
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#3277861 - 06/28/13 02:53 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Stalkhunter]
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Apparently law enforcement is already anticipating race riots and the "killing of white people" if Zimmerman is acquitted.

http://www.infowars.com/ex-chicago-cop-zimmerman-acquittal-to-cause-race-riots/

Following a number of tweets making threats to kill white people if George Zimmerman is acquitted of murdering Trayvon Martin, a former Chicago police officer warns that the outcome of the case could spark race riots in cities across America.


George Zimmerman. Image: Wikimedia Commons
As Infowars reported yesterday, following the woeful performance of Rachel Jeantel, the state’s so-called “star witness,” a number of Twitter users took to the social network to express their intention to kill white people in retaliation for Zimmerman going free.

Tweets included remarks such as “If Zimmerman get off ima shoot the first #hispanic/white I see,” and “If they don’t kill Zimmerman Ima kill me a cracka.”

In an article entitled, America Will See Its Worst Race Riot Yet This Summer, Crime File News’ Paul Huebl remarks that the case against Zimmerman should never have been filed in the first place and that when the trial inevitably collapses with Zimmerman’s acquittal, “I fully expect organized race rioting to begin in every major city to dwarf the Rodney King and the Martin Luther King riots of past decades.”

Huebl is a licensed private detective and a former Chicago police officer.

If you live in a large city be prepared to evacuate or put up a fight to win. You will need firearms, fire suppression equipment along with lots of food and water. Police resources will be slow and outgunned everywhere,” writes Huebl, adding, “America may see some combat related population control like we’ve not seen since the Civil War. Martial Law can’t be far behind complete with major efforts at gun grabbing.

Huebl is not the only prominent voice to express fears that the outcome of the trial could lead to widespread social disorder.

Columnist and former senior presidential advisor Pat Buchanan warned last month that, “The public mind has been so poisoned that an acquittal of George Zimmerman could ignite a reaction similar to that, 20 years ago, when the Simi Valley jury acquitted the LAPD cops in the Rodney King beating case.”

Political Strategist Charles D. Ellison also warns that, “There is the risk of a flashpoint as intense as the aftermath of that fateful Los Angeles police brutality verdict in 1992,” if Zimmerman walks free.

“At that time, many underestimated the potential for social unrest. And a bit over 20 years to the date, many could be making the same miscalculation at this very moment. The ingredients are there in Sanford and they loom large nationally, from an economy barely managing its own recovery to an unemployment rate that’s much higher than it should be, particularly for African-Americans,” adds Ellison.

Some are even asking whether the law should be ignored and Zimmerman convicted simply to avoid race riots.

“Regardless of whether or not Zimmerman acted in self defense, a large segment of the population, particularly the black population, are demanding Zimmerman be punished. And if they don’t have their demands satisfied, it is possible they might riot,” writes a poster at the Aesops Retreat forum. “So would it be appropriate to consider potential riots when deciding on whether or not to prosecute Zimmerman? Or should justice be blind and follow the rule of law?”

Critics of the attempt to convict Zimmerman have cited numerous points of evidence which clearly suggest Zimmerman acted in self-defense and that the case against him was built largely on the back of contrived racial politics.

- Photos taken after the incident show Zimmerman with a bloody nose and lacerations to the head, suggesting he had been physically attacked by Martin;

- NBC News edited a 911 tape of Zimmerman’s call to the police to falsely depict him as a racist;

- Prominent black figures like Spike Lee and Jesse Jackson immediately portrayed the incident as an assault on the black community, stirring racial tension;

- President Barack Obama got involved in the case on the side of Trayvon Martin by stating, “If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon.”

- A police report suggested Zimmerman had been flat on his back during the altercation and an eyewitness said that Martin was sat on top of Zimmerman beating and pushing him down;

- A responder at the scene said Martin’s knuckles were bloodied, suggesting he had injured Zimmerman with a punch;

- The lead investigator on the scene, Officer Christopher Serino, wrote that Zimmerman could be heard “yelling for help as he was being battered by Trayvon Martin.”

If some form of social disorder, be it limited or widespread, does ensue should Zimmerman walk free, authorities will be well prepared. The Department of Homeland Security recently put out another order for hundreds of items of riot gear in order to prepare for “riot control situations.” The federal agency has also committed to buying around 2 billion rounds of ammunition over the course of the last year.
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#3277872 - 06/28/13 03:03 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Camp David]
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So if Obama had a son and he would be like Treyvon he would be a gangster thug too
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#3277873 - 06/28/13 03:05 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Camp David]
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If there is racial riots it will be one of the few times I will be happy to live in a small town like this.The racial makeup of the town was 96.74% White, 0.81% Native American, 0.81% Asian, 0.12% from other races, and 1.51% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 1.75% of the population. But I have to wonder if obuma will do anything to stop his people if they do start killing whites?
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#3277894 - 06/28/13 03:37 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Eric Kilby]
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Also this is what the Government wants so they can go for the lock down and gun grabbing. King thug obama and his gang of thugs are loving it. He knew they would play right into their plan.
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#3277898 - 06/28/13 03:39 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Eric Kilby]
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You can thank the media for making this into a race trial and also thank them for the riots which are going to happen. I would like to see the news stations be the 1st places hit. I just hope folks who live in the areas where these riots happen are prepared to defend themselves. There won't be enough officers to take care of the riots.
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#3277932 - 06/28/13 04:13 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
If 2012 had not been a Presidential election year, George Zimmerman would never have been arrested, and there would be no spectacle now being called a trial.

Democratic operatives, including specifically President Barack Obama, made the purposeful decision to make this tragedy into a political issue, and farther the racial divide in so doing.

Every day, there are outright murders and even worse tragedies involving men, women, and children all across America, but especially so in our big cities such as Chicago ---- it's just that this particular one fit into election-year politics better than most at the time, and has been made into a spectacle.

A spectacle over politics, not justice.

I do not want to take away from the true tragedy this was and has been to the Martin and Zimmerman families. But it is also a shameful tragedy that our President became involved, choosing sides and declaring Zimmerman guilty without trial, for his own political agenda. Obama's involvement in the Martin-Zimmerman tragedy is reminiscent of his prior unsolicited involvement, also political, where he nationally declared from his pulpit the Cambridge police "behaved stupidly" simply for doing what police officers are supposed to be doing, i.e. investigating what appeared to be a home invasion.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0709/Obama_Cambridge_police_acted_stupidly.html


Wes nailed it.


This whole thing should never have gotten more than a story in a LOCAL paper. Instead they threw in the race card nationwide to get the blacks behind Obama and against "any white man" ever though Zimmerman is not white.

Now the truth is playing out in a court of law on live TV people are seeing things much different than the liberal media has been telling them for a year now.
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#3277955 - 06/28/13 04:40 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: nock]
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 Originally Posted By: nock
So if Obama had a son and he would be like Treyvon he would be a gangster thug too


But he would still be in Indonesia studying Mooslum!
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#3277956 - 06/28/13 04:41 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: 7mm08]
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Here is a great place to follow the trial from: http://lawofselfdefense.com/blog/
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#3278053 - 06/28/13 07:11 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Poser]
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Lets hope there are local MSM studios within reach of the rioters.
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#3278217 - 06/28/13 11:33 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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I think GZ will be found guilty for a whole bunch of reasons. Do I think it is right? YES! I'm retired military and had some police training and no matter what there are rules of engagement in every situation. Was GZs life in danger? yes probably, but the reason why it was in danger is because he followed TM even after the dispatcher said that they did not need him to do so. By GZ following TM after the dispatcher saying its a bad idea he put his own life in danger. Just because he is a leader of a NH watch program doesn't mean he has the authority of a police officer. The most that GZ should have done is call the police, he dont have training to foot persue a suspicious person, that is probably why the situation ended up the way it did. GZ has no more power then a security guard at a mall. He may have a CCW and Flordia may have the "stand your ground" law but in this situation the "stand your ground" law applies to GZ and TM. TM can stand his ground because he is being followed by a suspicious person he dont know. Remember TM is not even from that area he was there just to visit his father. I guarantee that TM hit GZ and GZ shot him for that reason.

I think he is guilty because if he would have taken the dispatcher's advice then none of this would have happened. If GZ is trained in "MMA" and has a CCW then he knows the rules on shooting in self defense. If GZ and TM really was fighting and TM was reaching for the gun like GZ said in his statement then GZ is still guilty. GZ should not have been following him period.

Now I do belive that he should not be charged with 2nd degree murder I do believe that the charge should be less because there is no way they can prove that TM did or did not reach for GZs gun. As far as anyone knows GZ defended himself because he was getting his butt whooped, TM probably did go for the gun and GZ shot him in self defense. I would have done the same thing if I was in GZs position but I would have ALSO stopped following TM if the dispatcher told me to, and I definately would not have tried finding him again after he had already ran away and I knew the police were on the way to investigate the situation.

A CCW carrier can only protect themself if he/she is in a "Life Threatening" situation. This situation can be your self personally or viewing someone elses life in danger. GZ should not have followed TM. GZ may have been in charge of the NH watch but he also did not have any uniform on stating that he is an athority figure in that community. Because GZ did not have any uniform on he could give TM any command he wanted TM did not have to obey.

Just put yourself in TM situation. your walking home some strange guy is following you all over. You have a little thug in you and your pants are half off your A** so you cant run very fast. I dont care if it was me and some strange guy was following me adn tracked me down to continue following after I had already ran away I would confront him.

Also the "Cracker" term is a funny name for a black person to call a white person. The term Cracker was originally the white slave driver because he would "crack" the whip, hence the noun cracker. If someone call's me a cracker I just laugh at them because they are to stupid to even know what it means. "Cracker" is a name used to try to hurt feelings of white people by people who do not understand the word. Way to look stupid..

The riots are most likely gonna happen. If they attack white people then the people contributing to the riots are just as stupid as the people calling me a cracker. White people did not even kill TM, GZ did so I do not understand how people think judging entire races on the acts of few is civil. If a riot happens it will probably be violent and pointless. A lot of people will die over a color of a person's skin. You would think America could get past the whole race war crap. Then again Black Citizens of America use to fight just to go to school and be equal and to me the black community has let there ancestors down because there equal and can go to school now, hell they can even get full rides to colleges just for being a minority. Most of the black community (not all just most) contribute nothing to the the American Economy and actually hurt it more by living on welfare and not getting a good education to better there lives. Black people fought to have the same opportunity and now have the same opportunity (actually more of an opportunity due to affirmitive action and minority grants that are unavaialbe to whites) yet do not utilize it, and instead walk around half dressed, mutalating the english language, and selling drugs to kids....again not saying that all black people are like that but a lot are.

LOL sorry this is pretty long Ill get off here. I've been watching the case and saw an opportunity to say something and took it..

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#3278278 - 06/29/13 07:26 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Robert Connell]
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Hmm. I don't think it's against any law, anywhere in America to watch and see where someone is walking. It's my understanding that the kid knew he was being watched or followed, but he was not confronted by Zimmerman. Stand your ground does not apply to Martin as he confronted Zimmerman, not the other way around. All Martin had to do was go to his father's place. That's it. He didn't and he's dead due to his aggressive attitude and actions. Zimmerman didn't pull his pistol until it was obvious he was in clear danger of being beaten to death. Martin wasn't being watched to death. Can't happen. A 911 operator has no authority to tell someone on the phone what to do or not do, at least in Florida. That was determined in court, if I read it right anyway.

Cracker is used by black people the same way as the "n" word is used by white people. One is meant to be just as insulting as the other. I think if the black people that continually say the "n" word would stop using it, everyone may be suprised at how quickly it drops from the language. When you are making money as a comedian, singer, rapper or racial antagonist by using the word, don't expect others to do what you won't do.

Obama has done more to divide the country via race than David Duke. I don't think his remarks about the Martin shooting were calculated in the least. The national media assault came after obama decided to weigh in on the matter. He did this once before when the college professor was arrested for being an arrogant prick and the police being called "stupid". obama was wrong on both counts and should have learned the first time. So much for him being brilliant.

While I'm not black, I can see from the outside looking in that a normal black guy or girl can get an education and do very well for themselves in any field they choose. They can take the easy way to living a "kept" life and remaining ignorant or they can use what they have between the ears and do for themselves. It's a choice, the same choice made by any American of any race. It isn't always easy, but nobody that's done it would give it up.

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#3278282 - 06/29/13 07:32 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Hangnail]
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#3278299 - 06/29/13 08:00 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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One question.

If you "think GZ will be found guilty" then why do you say "The riots are most likely gonna happen."??

You are right a NH watch program does not give anyone the same powers of a police officer but where was GZ going to arrest him?? He was following him to "keep an eye on him", that is not trying to use the powers of police.

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#3278308 - 06/29/13 08:11 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Hangnail]
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Hmm. I don't think it's against any law, anywhere in America to watch and see where someone is walking. It's my understanding that the kid knew he was being watched or followed, but he was not confronted by Zimmerman. Stand your ground does not apply to Martin as he confronted Zimmerman, not the other way around. All Martin had to do was go to his father's place. That's it. He didn't and he's dead due to his aggressive attitude and actions. Zimmerman didn't pull his pistol until it was obvious he was in clear danger of being beaten to death. Martin wasn't being watched to death. Can't happen. A 911 operator has no authority to tell someone on the phone what to do or not do, at least in Florida. That was determined in court, if I read it right anyway.

Cracker is used by black people the same way as the "n" word is used by white people. One is meant to be just as insulting as the other. I think if the black people that continually say the "n" word would stop using it, everyone may be suprised at how quickly it drops from the language. When you are making money as a comedian, singer, rapper or racial antagonist by using the word, don't expect others to do what you won't do.

Obama has done more to divide the country via race than David Duke. I don't think his remarks about the Martin shooting were calculated in the least. The national media assault came after obama decided to weigh in on the matter. He did this once before when the college professor was arrested for being an arrogant prick and the police being called "stupid". obama was wrong on both counts and should have learned the first time. So much for him being brilliant.

While I'm not black, I can see from the outside looking in that a normal black guy or girl can get an education and do very well for themselves in any field they choose. They can take the easy way to living a "kept" life and remaining ignorant or they can use what they have between the ears and do for themselves. It's a choice, the same choice made by any American of any race. It isn't always easy, but nobody that's done it would give it up.


Good post.

We all have seen our selves that Obama has done more to divide the country than anybody else. In the election of 2008 it was promised that it would be the other way around if he was elected but all we have to do is look at the news and see that never happened but instead he pushed it the other way.
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#3278347 - 06/29/13 09:25 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Robert Connell]
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 Originally Posted By: Robert Connell

Just put yourself in TM situation. your walking home some strange guy is following you all over.


Yes, just innocently walking along next to buildings and looking in people's windows.

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I think he is guilty because if he would have taken the dispatcher's advice then none of this would have happened.


• As someone with a military background, you know what a clear order or direction is. Does "Sir, we don't need you to do that" sound like clear directions to you?
• He did follow the dispatchers (who has no authority here) advice.
Dispatcher

Are you following him?

Zimmerman

Yeah.

Dispatcher

Ok, we don't need you to do that.

Zimmerman

Ok.

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#3278352 - 06/29/13 09:29 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Crappie Luck]
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He was on his way back to his truck


Dispatcher

Alright George we do have them on the way. Do you want to meet with the officer when they get out there?

Zimmerman

Yeah.

Dispatcher

Alright, where you going to meet with them at?

Zimmerman

Um, if they come in through the, uh, (knocking sound) gate, tell them to go straight past the club house, and uh, (knocking sound) straight past the club house and make a left, and then they go past the mailboxes, that's my truck...[unintelligible]
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#3278362 - 06/29/13 09:42 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Crappie Luck]
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Just hide in your closet and continue to let the lunatics have control of the asylum folks. No need in a nh watch program, especially if you might actually catch/find/follow/stop a suspicious character, that, after all, would be why you would be in the nh watch program to begin with. Chances are if he had only called the police, that they would have eventually rolled thru, but no suspect would have been seen from the window of the patrol car anyway. Let the hoods have their way. Move if you must, anything but fight back.
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#3278379 - 06/29/13 10:42 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Robert Connell

Just put yourself in TM situation. your walking home some strange guy is following you all over.



You call the police. Not attack the person you think is following you.
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#3278387 - 06/29/13 10:57 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: BamaProud]
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 Originally Posted By: BamaProud
 Originally Posted By: Robert Connell

Just put yourself in TM situation. your walking home some strange guy is following you all over.



You call the police. Not attack the person you think is following you.


Exactly! I don't understand why no one gets this. Not just Robert Connell but the media and the black race. To them it's as if this option is TOO foreign to them.
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#3278389 - 06/29/13 10:59 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Robert Connell]
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 Originally Posted By: Robert Connell
I think he is guilty because if he would have taken the dispatcher's advice then none of this would have happened.



Perhaps if Trayvon Martin hadn't been expelled from school, none of this would have happened?

Perhaps if Trayvon Martin hadn't been expelled from his mother's home, none of this would have happened?

Perhaps if Mr. Zimmerman hadn't defended himself, Trayvon Martin would have delivered one more blow, smashing Zimmerman's skull on the concrete, and we'd still have a tragedy?

In his attempts to try and keep an eye on a suspicious person until the police arrived, Mr. Zimmerman was doing what any good citizen should have done, and there is no evidence he did anything beyond until he was attacked by Trayvon Martin.

Now, I am not saying Zimmerman did nothing wrong. Just saying there is no evidence he did, and what evidence we have points to Martin attacking Zimmerman.

So much about what has happened has been tragic.

And tragedy includes the lynch-mob mentality so many have perpetrated on to one of the victims (George Zimmerman), never mind our rule of law has been founded in "innocent until proven guilty".

I would ask, should the outcome have been that Trayvon Martin killed George Zimmerman by stomping his head on concrete, would President Obama have led the charge in making that tragedy a national media circus? If the answer is "no", then I make my case that this entire trial has been more about politics than justice.

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#3278401 - 06/29/13 11:25 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Wes Parrish]
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You are exactly right WES ,if he walks The Nation erupts into a 1960 like riot ......Now I would not care to bet that GZ as you guys have beeen calling him will get a manslaughter charge.

That will take care of damage control...GZ will not pull a day just some supervised probation

If proper protocol would have been used after the fact...meaning a proper investigation,it would be open and closed.Obama should have left this alone and let the locals deal with it.
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#3278402 - 06/29/13 11:29 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Good time Charlie]
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If he goes to prison or released he will most likely be killed either way.
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#3278409 - 06/29/13 11:35 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Good time Charlie]
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 Originally Posted By: Good time Charlie
If proper protocol would have been used after the fact...meaning a proper investigation, it would be open and closed.

From what I understand, "proper protocol" was used, and following their investigation, the local police department did not feel there was evidence to charge Zimmerman with any crimes.

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#3278440 - 06/29/13 12:25 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Wes Parrish]
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Wes- I posted this already:

I saw the other night that the cops took the girl that couldn't read cursive (name escapes me)to TM's moms house for questioning.

That can't be proper protocol.
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#3278466 - 06/29/13 01:02 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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that trash obama already tried to skew the trial by his crap comment about trayvon would have looked like his son, as if anyone cares
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#3278487 - 06/29/13 01:41 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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 Originally Posted By: Pic IN the Casa
Wes- I posted this already:

I saw the other night that the cops took the girl that couldn't read cursive (name escapes me)to TM's moms house for questioning.

That can't be proper protocol.

You mean this girl Pic?

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#3278506 - 06/29/13 02:23 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: preds1]
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#3278579 - 06/29/13 05:10 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Hangnail]
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GZ has no right to persue TM period! The police even told him to stop following him. GZ is not a COP at all so [censored] is he following him for? Flordia has a stand your ground law and it works for everyone. TM dont have to listen to GZ if he gives him a order who is GZ to tell TM what to do. Fact of the matter is GZ should not have followed TM, GZ was in plain street clothes not a uniform stating he is the athority figure in that neighboorhood, GZ is not a police officer so that means that GZ has no athority like a police officer. GZ is lower then a security guard at the mall, hell he is worse because he has no uniform on to say "oh the guy following me is a security guard for this neighborhood". TM was scared that this "crazy [censored] cracker" is following him, so he did what most thugs in that neighboorhood do... FIGHT!!

The person saying that TM was punching GZ and that one more punch could have killed him. That could have been the situation for sure. I believe that GZ life was in danger when they were fighting. I do believe that TM was reaching for the gun. I am not stupid I can see both sides. All that I am saying is that most people will lean twards GZ saying he is innocent because DURING THE FIGHT ONLY!!!! his life was in danger. GZ life was in no danger when he was not following TM he was fine on the phone with the police. If GZ life was in danger before he would have stayed on the phone with the police not hang up.

I am not saying that GZ did not defend him self. The law is very clear with CCW license or for any person to shoot another person. You can shoot someone to stop them from attempting to kill you or another person, that is the only reason you can shoot someone peroid!!

Pretty much what I am saying is the fact that GZ followed TM even after he was told to stop doing it. GZ still followed TM and that is when his life was in danger. TM attacked GZ for following him through the neighboorhood. TM has a right to attack GZ because Flordia has a stand your ground law, and all TM was doing is standing his ground. TM did not have no gun, TM was getting the better part of the fight. Maybe TM reached for the gun and GZ had no choice but to shoot him. I do not doubt that but as a mature adult I realize that GZ was following TM when he should have let the real police do there job.

There were drugs in the kids system but it was determined that he was not on drugs the day he was killed. GZ also had training in MMA fighting. Why did he not use his skills to defend him self?

I do not agree with the actions that GZ and TM took. The whole situation could have been handled a lot better, but at the end of the day the law is very clear on when you can and cannot shoot a person. GZ is guilty he should have let TM go and let the police handle it.

NO one else really thinks GZ will be found guilty? I mean his lawyers SUCK!! I would have fired the lawyers on the first day. Making KNOCK KNOCK jokes is not a good thing to do and his joke sucked just as bad as his appology. so that is bad for GZ, also the Judge seems to lean twards the Proscution side of the case before she even heard the facts. The judge is stopping the defense from pleaing there case. That is another thing again GZ. ALL FEMALE JURY.. 6 juriors all females, probably with kids that is another things going against GZ. Judge knows this is a touchy subject and her reputation is on the line.. I just dont see GZ winning the case. It dont matter if I thought that he was right or wrong at the end of the day I think the guy is going down. I just try to be NUTREAl during the trial as if I was a jurior. I dont see the defense defending GZ very well at all.

If you see the defense winning please tell me how because I dont see it.

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#3278581 - 06/29/13 05:14 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Robert Connell]
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 Originally Posted By: Robert Connell
GZ has no right to persue TM period! The police even told him to stop following him. GZ is not a COP at all so [censored] is he following him for? Flordia has a stand your ground law and it works for everyone. TM dont have to listen to GZ if he gives him a order who is GZ to tell TM what to do. Fact of the matter is GZ should not have followed TM, GZ was in plain street clothes not a uniform stating he is the athority figure in that neighboorhood, GZ is not a police officer so that means that GZ has no athority like a police officer. GZ is lower then a security guard at the mall, hell he is worse because he has no uniform on to say "oh the guy following me is a security guard for this neighborhood". TM was scared that this "crazy [censored] cracker" is following him, so he did what most thugs in that neighboorhood do... FIGHT!!

The person saying that TM was punching GZ and that one more punch could have killed him. That could have been the situation for sure. I believe that GZ life was in danger when they were fighting. I do believe that TM was reaching for the gun. I am not stupid I can see both sides. All that I am saying is that most people will lean twards GZ saying he is innocent because DURING THE FIGHT ONLY!!!! his life was in danger. GZ life was in no danger when he was not following TM he was fine on the phone with the police. If GZ life was in danger before he would have stayed on the phone with the police not hang up.

I am not saying that GZ did not defend him self. The law is very clear with CCW license or for any person to shoot another person. You can shoot someone to stop them from attempting to kill you or another person, that is the only reason you can shoot someone peroid!!

Pretty much what I am saying is the fact that GZ followed TM even after he was told to stop doing it. GZ still followed TM and that is when his life was in danger. TM attacked GZ for following him through the neighboorhood. TM has a right to attack GZ because Flordia has a stand your ground law, and all TM was doing is standing his ground. TM did not have no gun, TM was getting the better part of the fight. Maybe TM reached for the gun and GZ had no choice but to shoot him. I do not doubt that but as a mature adult I realize that GZ was following TM when he should have let the real police do there job.

There were drugs in the kids system but it was determined that he was not on drugs the day he was killed. GZ also had training in MMA fighting. Why did he not use his skills to defend him self?

I do not agree with the actions that GZ and TM took. The whole situation could have been handled a lot better, but at the end of the day the law is very clear on when you can and cannot shoot a person. GZ is guilty he should have let TM go and let the police handle it.

NO one else really thinks GZ will be found guilty? I mean his lawyers SUCK!! I would have fired the lawyers on the first day. Making KNOCK KNOCK jokes is not a good thing to do and his joke sucked just as bad as his appology. so that is bad for GZ, also the Judge seems to lean twards the Proscution side of the case before she even heard the facts. The judge is stopping the defense from pleaing there case. That is another thing again GZ. ALL FEMALE JURY.. 6 juriors all females, probably with kids that is another things going against GZ. Judge knows this is a touchy subject and her reputation is on the line.. I just dont see GZ winning the case. It dont matter if I thought that he was right or wrong at the end of the day I think the guy is going down. I just try to be NUTREAl during the trial as if I was a jurior. I dont see the defense defending GZ very well at all.

If you see the defense winning please tell me how because I dont see it.
I believe the altercation happened after GZ had broken off pursuit and was going back to his vehicle. If TM had continued on his way he might still be alive.
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#3278587 - 06/29/13 05:32 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Jcalder]
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 Originally Posted By: Jcalder
I know you can't shoot someone in your driveway that's breaking into your car. As bad as they need it its not legal. Unless of course your in your vehicle and feel threatened
i do not think this is true.we had a thief here and our sheriff told us that we have the right to protect our property

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#3278589 - 06/29/13 05:38 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: ROUGH COUNTRY HUNTER]
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 Originally Posted By: ROUGH COUNTRY HUNTER
 Originally Posted By: Jcalder
I know you can't shoot someone in your driveway that's breaking into your car. As bad as they need it its not legal. Unless of course your in your vehicle and feel threatened
i do not think this is true.we had a thief here and our sheriff told us that we have the right to protect our property


You cannot protect property with deadly force in Tennessee.

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#3278594 - 06/29/13 05:48 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Trapper John]
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 Originally Posted By: Trapper John
 Originally Posted By: ROUGH COUNTRY HUNTER
 Originally Posted By: Jcalder
I know you can't shoot someone in your driveway that's breaking into your car. As bad as they need it its not legal. Unless of course your in your vehicle and feel threatened
i do not think this is true.we had a thief here and our sheriff told us that we have the right to protect our property


You cannot protect property with deadly force in Tennessee.


Trapper is correct on this as strange as it seems....That is what will get Zimmerman in the end. Was he truly in fear for his life that he HAD to use deadly force and kill.
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#3278603 - 06/29/13 05:55 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: ROUGH COUNTRY HUNTER]
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Robert, I have no idea where your lack of personal liability comes from. According to you, if you're going to the movies and there is someone heading the same way you are and they're behind you, you have every right to turn around and assault them. Good luck with pulling that off without losing everything you own.
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#3278634 - 06/29/13 06:33 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Trapper John]
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 Originally Posted By: Trapper John
 Originally Posted By: ROUGH COUNTRY HUNTER
 Originally Posted By: Jcalder
I know you can't shoot someone in your driveway that's breaking into your car. As bad as they need it its not legal. Unless of course your in your vehicle and feel threatened
i do not think this is true.we had a thief here and our sheriff told us that we have the right to protect our property


You cannot protect property with deadly force in Tennessee.
a sheriffs deputy was sadly killed here in franklin county for going to a house in the dark while off duty.no charges were filed because the folks had prior burglaries,so what do you call it

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#3278639 - 06/29/13 06:37 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: ROUGH COUNTRY HUNTER]
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 Originally Posted By: ROUGH COUNTRY HUNTER
 Originally Posted By: Trapper John
 Originally Posted By: ROUGH COUNTRY HUNTER
 Originally Posted By: Jcalder
I know you can't shoot someone in your driveway that's breaking into your car. As bad as they need it its not legal. Unless of course your in your vehicle and feel threatened
i do not think this is true.we had a thief here and our sheriff told us that we have the right to protect our property


You cannot protect property with deadly force in Tennessee.
a sheriffs deputy was sadly killed here in franklin county for going to a house in the dark while off duty.no charges were filed because the folks had prior burglaries,so what do you call it


Using deadly force against someone breaking into your house is one thing. But protecting the property itself with deadly force is illegal in this state. Here's the code:

Tenn. Code Ann. 39-11-614. Protection of property.

(a) A person in lawful possession of real or personal property is justified in threatening or using force against another, when and to the degree it is reasonably believed the force is immediately necessary to prevent or terminate the other's trespass on the land or unlawful interference with the property.

(b) A person who has been unlawfully dispossessed of real or personal property is justified in threatening or using force against the other, when and to the degree it is reasonably believed the force is immediately necessary to reenter the land or recover the property, if the person threatens or uses the force immediately or in fresh pursuit after the dispossession:

(1) The person reasonably believes the other had no claim of right when the other dispossessed the person; and

(2) The other accomplished the dispossession by threatening or using force against the person.

(c) Unless a person is justified in using deadly force as otherwise provided by law, a person is not justified in using deadly force to prevent or terminate the other's trespass on real estate or unlawful interference with personal property.

The statute differentiates between force and deadly force. You can use force to protect property. You cannot use deadly force unless subsection C comes into play, and that simply refers back to the use of deadly force for self defense statute which requires fear of imminent serious bodily injury or death.

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#3278642 - 06/29/13 06:42 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Trapper John]
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#3278660 - 06/29/13 07:00 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Robert Connell]
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 Originally Posted By: Robert Connell
GZ has no right to persue TM period! The police even told him to stop following him.


NO THEY DID NOT.
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#3278734 - 06/29/13 08:25 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Robert Connell]
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I just try to be NUTREAl during the trial as if I was a jurior. I dont see the defense defending GZ very well at all.


Robert, first of all, welcome to the site and thanks for the input.

I quoted this last statement only to point out how you have already convicted GZ based on both your earlier posts.

If this is your idea of neutral, I'd hate to have you on my jury. You've already made up your mind before the defense presents their side.

You want to know how the defense is winning, well, most of the prosecution's "witnesses" have supported the defense.

Do you see the prosecution promoting a case that would convict GZ at this point?

Jury nullification is the only reason he would be convicted. I don't see where he broke any law. Bad decision on the part of GZ, maybe. Broken law? GZ didn't break any law, as far as I've seen so far.
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#3278787 - 06/29/13 10:09 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Camp David]
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Zimmerman broke no law. If anything..he should be commended for trying to volunteer in a world full of people who don't volunteer anymore. Little league coaches..PTA presidents...youth football coaches...Dad's to take unfortunate kids hunting..you name it. We NEED more volunteers in this world.
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#3278793 - 06/29/13 10:23 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Camp David]
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Camp David thanks for the polite reply I appreciate it. I do think he is guilty yes that is true I was nutreal but the evidence "TO ME" shows he is guilty. My reason is because the "LAW" the actual law, that is unbias and fair to all parties. I put my self in both shoes to think what would happen. The dispatcher did recommend GZ not to follow TM it is in the phone call, on record and on the internet you can listen to it.. Some one said that GZ was not told to quit following him and I am not sure why they said that because it is true. Maybe it is because I said that the dispatcher "TOLD" GZ to stop when he actually said that he dont recommand him doing that. That is my fault for saying that. I dont really understand why you said the dispatcher did NOT tell GZ not to follow TM. Please explain more..

I mean the kid dont even live there, he was visiting his father. He went to the store to get a Drink and snack. On his way back it was raining and he stood under a tree talking on the phone, "looking at house". I walk a block down the street in my community to go to the store all the time. When I do that I look at the houses on the way so to me that isnt suspessious. I mean TM wasnt caught leaving a house after he just robbed it or anything like that. TM did not just get caught by GZ commiting a crime so what was he doing so supessious? Standing under a tree when it is raining out? He is just getting out of the rain and while he is there he was checking out the local houses... So what was TM doing that gave GZ the right to follow him? TM knew he was being followed and he didnt know why. GZ thought TM was supessious right? Well TM thought GZ was suspessious as well. Some guy in plane civilian clothes (not a athority figure uniform just plain civilian clothing). That is my point on the uniform, if he had a uniform on that gave GZ the description of a athority figure TM would not have felt like he was being followed by a "Crazy A** Cracker". To me just because a person is supessious does not mean you have the right to kill them, just because he is black does not mean you have the right to kill him. GZ did not have the right to follow TM. TM felt like he was being followed, he confronted GZ, and ran. GZ then continued to follow him. TM then turned around and jumped GZ, but that still has no right for GZ to shoot him. When was GZ life in danger? what was TM doing that put GZ in danger? He started attacking GZ right? I get that but GZ followed TM and to me he prevoked TM to attack GZ. Now what did GZ do to put TM in danger? well I say he followed him. You cant be bias and I am sorry if you feel I am thinking that way but yes I do feel the evidence points to GZ being guilty. SO I guess your right Camp David I am not longer nutreal.

Plus the law is simple to me. You have to have a reason to kill someone. The reason has to be that your life or someone elses is in danger. No ones lifes was in danger here. The witness that saw the fight even said that TM was on top of GZ. His last name is GOOD look it up. He also said that he did not see TM smashing GZ head into the concrete like GZ said was going on. GOOD saw the fight, from what he said, from when TM strattled GZ, to just before the shot went off. He did say that TM was punching GZ while he was on the ground. I mean TM did assult GZ but with no weapon there is no life threatening situation. GZ is just getting his A** whooped. Plus he was way to cocky when he shot the guy which seems to me like he wanted to shoot someone. He told one witness, I forget his name but he called GZ wife to let her know there was a problem and the police are taking GZ to the police department to be questioned. GZ said "just tell her I shot someone". Why would you say that? That is not hard evidence but I am just wondering you know not saying just because GZ said that to the guy dont make him guilty but to me it kinda weird to say that.

I think he did profile TM because he does looks supessious. A black male at night, thug out looking, running around looking at houses. I probably call the cops on him to, but he should have let the police handle it and because he took the law into his own hands and followed TM, that made TM feel that a "Crazy A** Cracker" was following him and he could have feared for his life. I mean there is a community here that has a history of crimes. TM could be wondering why is this guy following me, TM could be thinking that hey this "crazy A** Cracker" has been following me and houses in the around been getting broke into.. TM could have been scared and fought GZ.

So why I think he is guilty is because I feel that TM did nothing to be followed. GZ profiled TM and called the cops which he should have done, but he put his own life and TM life in danger when he followed him. Someone asked a question about if they went to the movies and someone was following behind them does that give them the right to turn around and attack that person? The movies are not the same as this situation. just because people are walking behind you on your way to a movie dont give you the right to shoot or punch anyone but at the same time you aint going to be thinking that that person following you is up to no good. You will most likely gonna think that the person following you is going to the movies. TM was walking home at night in a bad community is how I am taking it and he got scared and did what he thought was right. I think TM had more of a right to attack GZ for following him then GZ did for shooting him. I mean TM attacked GZ because he was being followed that is very clear.

As far as it being a racial killing. I dont think he killed TM because he was black I think he kill TM because TM attacked GZ. GZ probably was getting his A** beat and felt that his life was in danger. I dont doubt that part of it, GZ also said that TM was going to reach for his gun, then GZ grabed it and shot TM. I believe that happened. I can only picture that GZ life may have been in danger once the fight happened. TM felt like his life was in danger once GZ was following him. GZ life would not have been in danger if he did not follow TM like the dispatcher recommended. So to me TM had more of a reason to attack GZ.

I was in Iraq and Afghanistan and I compair it to that a lot as well. I know that there was abunch of local nationals that all dress the same and all look the same to me. I could not tell the difference just by looking at a local national, if he was a terrorist or not. So just because someone looks supessious does not mean they are doing something that you are accusing them of. Yea just because there supessious I didnt take my eye off them but I also knew this person may have a bomb so I would keep my distance maybe watch them look for signs of terrorism, or signs that he plans on doing something. Trust me a person's body and facial expressions can say a lot. TM may be looking supessious, yea watch him, give a description to the police. When they said they did not recommend you to follow him he should have stopped. Because he did not stop following I feel that TM felt that GZ was following him and was going to try and hurt him or maybe rob him. Maybe he thought the crime in the community could be commited by GZ and he is following TM to his house to stake it out or something. I am saying that TM did not know what GZ intentions were and feared he was following him for the wrong reasons. TM had more of a right to attack GZ then GZ would have had to kill TM. I have not hear nothing that says different and will listen to anyone who wants to change my mind so someone please tell me what TM did to be shot? what was his crime that he needed to be shot? or what was his crime for GZ to follow him? Now that I said I am NOT nutreal and agree with you camp david that I feel GZ is guilty. But I feel I looked at the situation as a nutreal party and came up with this conclusion unless I find, or you guys tell me something that I did not know. To me GZ did not have the right to do any of the following actions.

OK with that said that is just my opinion, and I am open to yalls maybe you know something I dont? But I do want to let people know about some of the laws because there is some confusion. This is a different subject other then the GZ case.. NO person can just shoot someone for entering there house. That person who entered the house could be there to kill you or just to steal all of your stuff. Or maybe just a homeless guy trying to get warm. either way the person broke in, you have choices. 1. get out of the house and run. Most states they prefer you do this first or call the police. Either way they prefer you get out of any potental harms way. Flordia has the stand your ground law which is you dont have to run or call the police you can stand your ground if you choose to and fight for your home or property. Just because the stand your ground says you dont have to run or nothing you can stand your ground and defend your house or personal property you still have to have a reason to kill the person who enters your house. I hope people who has guns know this or know your local laws because some cops also think that just because someone breaks in your home automatically give them the right to to kill that person it dont and I am not sure but I dont know any state that allows you to kill someone for breaking in your home. It is actually dangerious to promote that because people will just be shooting people breaking in there home. There has been cases that teen's break back into there home after they snuck out and the parents did not know. Teen breaks back in the parent gets scared and shoots there kid in the dark because they didnt, 1. run and call the police or 2. figure out who is in there home and why? If you own a gun for self defense it is your personal duty to know when to kill someone in a self defense situation. A lot of people even cops ( I talked to a bunch of cops ) who think they can shoot someone coming into there home. I could be wrong in some states but I have yet found one where you can kill someone for breaking in there home. If you do, be prepared to defend your self because the person you just killed is no longer alive to defend them self so there gonna drill you hard to figure out what happened and try to prove that you had no right to kill that person unless you have hard core evidence that you do have that right. I know innocent until proven guilty, maybe lol. I would keep a little extra gun for that one guy you shoot in the house that cant be traced to you and place it in that persons hand if you dont want to go to prision. Think before anyone pulls the trigger because you cant take the bullet back. I know this is the wrong subject but I hope that someone listens. Again if I am wrong someone please correct me.. BUT I am sure I am right.

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#3278797 - 06/29/13 10:40 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Robert Connell]
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Welcome to the site RC...But in my opinion you are thinking way too much on this. Thug jumps man. Man has gun. Man uses gun to defend himself. Thug is dead. End of story.
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#3278870 - 06/30/13 07:37 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: eightpointer]
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GZ was the neighbor watch captain, at the time this happened he was NOT on duty. BUT no member of the neighbor watch ever stops keeping their eyes open and they still reported in ever if it was not their turn, the police do the same thing, just because they are off they don't stop being police. A doctor on a golf course helps someone having a heart attack. They don't stop.

GZ was inside HIS gated neighborhood where he lived with his family, TM did NOT live there so was a stranger. There had been a bunch of break ins in GZ's neighborhood. GZ followed TM and CALLED THE POLICE. GZ broke off and was going back to his truck when attacked by TM.

You are mistaken about the law. No law allows anybody to "KILL" someone. The law allows a person to use "deadly force" under certain circumstances. If that person happens to die from the use of deadly force then that's part of it. In hunting we are allowed to "kill" animals, we can shoot and keep shooting until that animal is dead. It's not the same.

Florida's law might be different but here in Kentucky you CAN shoot someone breaking into your home when you and/or your family is inside the same home. You CANNOT shoot someone running away and you CANNOT shoot someone stealing your TV or your truck.

Also in KY the FIRST person to use or threaten to use force illegally is the "initial aggressor". In other words the first person to UNLAWFULLY throw a punch is the "initial aggressor".

If it had happened in KY then TM would be the clear aggressor since all GZ did was spot and follow a stranger in his own neighborhood where there had been several break ins lately.

You said TM "jumped" GZ and GZ did NOT have the right to shoot him. What??? Someone "jumps" you and you do not have the right to shoot him?? I'm walking IN MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD and someone "jumps" me and I do not have the right to defend myself??? That's the very reason most of us got our carry permit, to defend ourselves.
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#3278895 - 06/30/13 08:42 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Wildcat]
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The Dispatcher said "We don't need you to do that". That was not an order of any kind. It was a statement of what THEY needed. Kind of like if Zimmerman had offered to buy them lunch, "No sir, you don't need to do that".

The rest is just your opinion of whether GZ had a right to self defense. That's irrelevant. Thankfully the law says if he has a right to self defense if HE feels threatened, not someone in a another state reading a news report on the event.

Here are two examples of what happens in countries that do not allow self-defense.

http://www.thelocal.se/46946/20130326/#.UVF8oDei2So

http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield...d-swedish-girl/



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#3278896 - 06/30/13 08:42 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Robert Connell]
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 Originally Posted By: Robert Connell
I think he kill TM because TM attacked GZ. GZ probably was getting his A** beat and felt that his life was in danger.


this is exactly why this kid is dead....according to your own statement, GZ had every right to use whatever force he felt neccessary to protect himself. Using the statement that you provided please explain again how GZ is guilty of murder


Edited by taximan (06/30/13 08:46 AM)
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#3278899 - 06/30/13 08:45 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
Let's say you've had neighbors' homes all around you recently broken in to, then you see a stranger walking around your neighborhood peering into windows. Would YOU try to keep him within sight until the police arrived to take your place?

 Originally Posted By: TAFKAP
You've obviously never lived in an area that was plagued with a rash of burglaries and assaults. The dispatcher has no business, legal authority, or influence over what someone does.

Exactly right. And the whole purpose of "neighborhood watch" is to do exactly what Zimmerman was doing.

And like I said, the outcome has been tragic. But so far, the evidence supports Zimmerman's original thoughts that Treyvon Martin was in fact a young burglar, and was in fact behaving as a burglar "casing" his next home invasion. That's the very reason Zimmerman called police in the first place, and was trying to keep him in sight until the police arrived.

Although this has been suppressed from the court proceedings, did we not hear that Trayvon Martin was suspended from school for having burglar tools and stolen jewelry in his possession at school?

Excellent posts. Beat me to it.
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#3278905 - 06/30/13 08:54 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Jcalder]
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 Originally Posted By: Jcalder
I would prefer that the police do their jobs. Maybe I have too much faith in them and y'all have none. But I don't see how him getting out of his vehicle and confronting a suspicious individual is justified. I would really be interested on what was said when they confronted each other. I can guarantee none of it was of a professional manner.

There is NO EVIDENCE that Zimmerman confronted ToeTag. NONE.

In fact, based on Zimmerman's call to the police, and the information he was passing along, it was abundantly clear that he was following ToeTag to identify what he was up to, not to confront him. As others have stated, if he was going to attack why would he call the police in advance and ask for them to come to the scene?

Following a person, whether on foot or in a vehicle, is perfectly legal. As a member of the neighborhood watch, it is only logical that Zimmerman would follow him on foot when 'tag went into an area between two rows of houses where there is no road, only sidewalk.

From day one, Zimmerman's account has been consistent and matches the physical evidence. So much so, that he was not charged until it became a political issue.
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#3278910 - 06/30/13 09:02 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: BMan]
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If T. Martin had been white it wouldn't even made the news.

Edited by Rackseeker (06/30/13 09:03 AM)
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#3278915 - 06/30/13 09:13 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Rackseeker]
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I guess no white person shall use self defense against a black aggressor.

This is the proper way to "tuck and roll" and notice that her life was NOT in danger. Zimmerman should take notice.

http://www.kirotv.com/videos/news/warning-graphic-woman-kicked-beaten-at-westlake/v5KmC/
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#3278919 - 06/30/13 09:16 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Robert Connell]
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 Originally Posted By: Robert Connell
He may have a CCW and Flordia may have the "stand your ground" law but in this situation the "stand your ground" law applies to GZ and TM. TM can stand his ground because he is being followed by a suspicious person he dont know.

First off, "stand your ground" laws do not apply in any way to someone following you - well, unless they are attacking you, which nobody has accused Zimmerman of doing.

 Originally Posted By: Robert Connell
Remember TM is not even from that area he was there just to visit his father. I guarantee that TM hit GZ and GZ shot him for that reason.

Huh? ToeTag is an innocent party because he's "not even from that area"? Or you're saying that Zimmerman hates people that aren't from Sanford?

 Originally Posted By: Robert Connell
If GZ is trained in "MMA" and has a CCW then he knows the rules on shooting in self defense.

Maybe I missed it, but I can't recall anything about Zimmerman being trained in MMA. I believe all of the MMA talk is about the style being used by Mr. Tag when he attacked Zimmerman.

 Originally Posted By: Robert Connell
If GZ and TM really was fighting and TM was reaching for the gun like GZ said in his statement then GZ is still guilty. GZ should not have been following him period.

Following another individual is 100% legal in all jurisdictions.

 Originally Posted By: Robert Connell
I would have done the same thing if I was in GZs position but I would have ALSO stopped following TM if the dispatcher told me to, and I definately would not have tried finding him again after he had already ran away and I knew the police were on the way to investigate the situation.

First off, the dispatcher did NOT tell Zimmerman to stop following - he has no authority to do so, nor did his own words convey that. Secondly, the evidence supports Zimmerman's statement that he was headed back to his vehicle when he was accosted and attacked by Tag.

 Originally Posted By: Robert Connell
Just put yourself in TM situation. your walking home some strange guy is following you all over. You have a little thug in you and your pants are half off your A** so you cant run very fast. I dont care if it was me and some strange guy was following me adn tracked me down to continue following after I had already ran away I would confront him.

First off, the "strange guy" was walking AWAY from the thug. Secondly, you can not use ToeTag's bad behavior as justification for him to conduct even more bad behavior.

If TT's parents had actually been PARENTS and taught their child right from wrong, this would have never happened.
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#3278922 - 06/30/13 09:19 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Robert Connell]
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 Originally Posted By: Robert Connell
TM has a right to attack GZ because Flordia has a stand your ground law, and all TM was doing is standing his ground.

Ahhhhhh... wrong.
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#3278929 - 06/30/13 09:26 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: BMan]
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 Originally Posted By: BMan
 Originally Posted By: Robert Connell
TM has a right to attack GZ because Flordia has a stand your ground law, and all TM was doing is standing his ground.

Ahhhhhh... wrong.


I'm going to get out at the next red light and knock the crap of out whoever is driving the car behind me. HOW DARE they follow me
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#3278935 - 06/30/13 09:32 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: BMan]
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I have a story that sorta goes with all this ... me and a ex was in Dayton tn and get in a argument so I get mad tell her to let me out of the car I would find another way home. I get let out at the bottom end of a church parking lot I was around 30yards from the church it self, I wasn't there 20 secs pretty much long enough to sit down in the parking lot and start figuring out who I was going to call when a cop comes sliding into the parking lot jumps out gun drawn giving me orders to assume the position. I was doing anything wrong so I complied he searched me took my belongings and was about to cuff me when my ex showed back up and told him the same thing I did so turns out they had a problem with vandals and theifs at the church.... I wasn't doing anything wrong a was wrongfully accused who would have been in the right if I flipped out on the cop and got shot? Could he have handled it better? Yes

Sorry if that is a jumbled mess my phone is being stupid
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#3278947 - 06/30/13 09:51 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: BMan]
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 Originally Posted By: BMan
 Originally Posted By: Robert Connell
TM has a right to attack GZ because Flordia has a stand your ground law, and all TM was doing is standing his ground.

Ahhhhhh... wrong.


So Trademark had a right to attacked GZ because of Florida's Stand you ground law, but GZ had NO RIGHT to defend himself because his life was not in danger.

At this point I have wonder, Robert. Are you forming your opinion of this matter based on race?
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#3278956 - 06/30/13 10:07 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Crappie Luck]
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Ding...ding...ding.
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#3278957 - 06/30/13 10:09 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: MUP]
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 Originally Posted By: MUP
Ding...ding...ding.
Some people try to ignore the elephant in the middle of the living room floor!!! jmo
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#3278964 - 06/30/13 10:21 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Beekeeper]
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If how Martin reacted to Zimmerman is what is accepted in the black community as the way to handle such events, it's no wonder there is so much black-on-black violence.
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#3279048 - 06/30/13 01:59 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Robert Connell]
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 Originally Posted By: Robert Connell
I think GZ will be found guilty for a whole bunch of reasons. Do I think it is right? YES!

You declare GZ guilty, without trial. yOU say you knew little about what happened. Makes no sense. You act excited YES!

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#3279064 - 06/30/13 02:25 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
Treyvon had made it back to his dad's Appt and then chose to leave again either to find Zimmerman or case houses.

He was not on his way back when this happened. He was LOOKING for trouble.

Exactly, Why would T go on the offensive, and attack someone for following him, UNLESS he was up to no good? I've never had the inclination to attack someone that happened to be walking behind me through a parking lot.. I believe T copped an attitude because his bad intentions were recognized by Zimmerman. All too often, this can be the end result for people that like to look for trouble.
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#3279077 - 06/30/13 02:43 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: dr]
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Imo the support for Mr Tag in the black community is 100% racial. From the top with the POTUS down to the illiterate neck roll. It does not matter what the evidence shows or what the truth is they will never admit GZ was justified.
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#3279083 - 06/30/13 02:55 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: bigluresonly]
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Yep, just another excuse to loot, and pillage. Then blame it on someone else.
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#3279147 - 06/30/13 05:22 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: dr]
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 Originally Posted By: dr
Yep, just another excuse to loot, and pillage. Then blame it on someone else.
you hit the nail on the head

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#3279460 - 07/01/13 06:22 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: ROUGH COUNTRY HUNTER]
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Here is a good article on the mess.

There is probably no better example of the anti-gun bias of the American media than their outrageous handling of the Trayvon Martin story. It also illustrates how significantly the press can distort the legal process for anyone involved in a self-defense situation.

I will not offer opinions on Zimmerman’s guilt or innocence. My concern here is the media’s portrayal of the case. The basic facts of the case are as follows:

Zimmerman noticed Martin walking inside the community, and called the police to report Martin’s behavior as suspicious, stating, “This guy looks like he’s up to no good, or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about” and “looking at all the houses.” After the phone call, there was a violent encounter between Martin and Zimmerman, which ended with Zimmerman fatally shooting Martin once in the chest at close range.

When police arrived, Zimmerman said that Martin had attacked him and that he had shot Martin in self-defense. Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose and lacerations on the back of his head, consistent with an attack. EMTs treated Zimmerman at the scene, and then took him to the Sanford Police Department. Zimmerman was detained and questioned for approximately five hours.He was then released without being charged; at the time, police said they found no evidence to contradict Zimmerman’s claim of self-defense.

Those of us in the carry community are well aware of the natural (and somewhat understandable) tendency of police to initially see anyone involved in a shooting as a suspect. So the fact that the police so quickly released Zimmerman without charges is significant.

Why then did this initially unremarkable case, just a month later suddenly explode into a nationwide spectacle? Simple. The press, ever on the lookout for racism, especially when it involves legitimate gun owners, apparently jumped to a conclusion consistent with their worldview. Specifically, they saw “racist white guy shoots innocent black kid” (a virtual “wet dream” for a liberal journalist).

But why? It was probably that name “Zimmerman” that tripped the media’s collective trigger. Definitely sounds like a “white guy,” right? If George Zimmerman, who is clearly Hispanic, had instead been named “Jorge Gonzales” or something similar, the story would probably have been reduced to a brief paragraph in the local paper. The liberal press has little interest in minority-on-minority crime.

As further evidence of their agenda, note what the “journalist” types did when Zimmerman’s extensive Hispanic history was eventually revealed. They fell all over themselves, desperately trying to save the racist angle by laughably referring to Zimmerman as a “white Hispanic” (just HAD to get that word “white” in there, now didn’t they?).

But the most egregious violation of the public trust occurred when the press saturated the print and TV media with a grossly misleading photo of Trayvon Martin. They intentionally passed up the numerous shots of Trayvon at his then current age of 17, showing his imposing stature (over six feet tall) and his arms covered with tattoos, not to mention his “gangsta” gold teeth.

Instead, they chose the now infamous “kid in a hoody” shot, a picture that was taken when Trayvon Martin was barely 13 years old. Now, there is a huge difference between a 13-year-old and a 17-year-old. I’ve known 17-year-olds who went to war.

Worse, the picture has been shown over and over again, and even today continues to give the false impression that Trayvon Martin was little more than a child. The number of people who still think George Zimmerman was “the guy who shot that kid in the hoody”’ is downright frightening.

Add to this the constantly repeated description of Trayvon Martin as an “unarmed teenager” and you get the impression that Zimmerman was the big bad man who shot the cute (and unarmed) little boy. With such massive pollution of the jury pool, it is unclear whether George Zimmerman will get a fair trial or not.

But one thing is certain. What happened to George Zimmerman could easily happen to anyone who owns guns, and especially to those of us who carry firearms for self-
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#3279504 - 07/01/13 07:44 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Wildcat]
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Wildcat's post above is the best short summary I've seen of what has really happened regarding Zimmerman-Martin.

Even shorter summary . . . . .
 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
So the fact that the police so quickly released Zimmerman without charges is significant. Why then did this initially unremarkable case, just a month later suddenly explode into a nationwide spectacle? Simple. The press, ever on the lookout for racism, especially when it involves legitimate gun owners, apparently jumped to a conclusion consistent with their worldview.

But why? It was probably that name “Zimmerman” that tripped the media’s collective trigger. Definitely sounds like a “white guy,” right? If George Zimmerman, who is clearly Hispanic, had instead been named “Jorge Gonzales” or something similar, the story would probably have been reduced to a brief paragraph in the local paper. The liberal press has little interest in minority-on-minority crime.

But the most egregious violation of the public trust occurred when the press saturated the print and TV media with a grossly misleading photo of Trayvon Martin. They intentionally passed up the numerous shots of Trayvon at his then current age of 17, showing his imposing stature (over six feet tall) and his arms covered with tattoos, not to mention his “gangsta” gold teeth.

. . . . . . the false impression that Trayvon Martin was little more than a child.

With such massive pollution of the jury pool, it is unclear whether George Zimmerman will get a fair trial or not.

Had 2012 not been a Presidential election year, this story would never have gained much traction on the national level. But democrat operatives, including President Obama, including the mainstream news media, they USED this tragedy to promote their divisive politics and anti-gun agenda. They have no regard for justice or truth.

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#3279507 - 07/01/13 07:51 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Wildcat]
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The article forgot to mention the part our, their president played in this case also. With all the murders that happen every day throughout the USA, this is the only one he mentioned in a press conference, why? It was election time and what an easy way to ensure more blacks vote for you and to keep separation among the people.
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#3279520 - 07/01/13 08:05 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: iowavf]
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What was it that happened or the trigger..no pun intended..that brought this to an arrest and charge of GZ? Was it something with Obama...NAACP..ACLU? I just don't remember exactly.
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#3279523 - 07/01/13 08:11 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: eightpointer]
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The political pressure to arrest Zimmerman came mostly from outside the State of Florida. I would speculate Obama gave a verbal order that Zimmerman MUST be charged, so that this tragedy could be exploited into his divisive politics and re-election strategy. Eric Holder made certain it happened, despite the resistance of local and state authorities.

It may not have been an original idea (coming from Obama), but he was in the loop and could have either promoted or nixed it. He chose to promote it when he himself portrayed Trayvon as a child, and said to the world, "If I had a son, he'd be just like Trayvon." (I know this is difficult to accept, but perhaps Obama told the truth this time.)

Kinda like his "under the radar" directing the IRS, etc. Can't trace it back to him personally unless there is a whistle-blower. As with "Operation Fast & Furious", both President Obama and Eric Holder had to know in advance of full implementation, and they knew these were more political strategy than judicial necessity, at the very least, approved by them via no speaking against them.

Almost everything involving Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman has been a tragedy. And in my heart, I really believe Trayvon was probably a good kid, just going thru a bad phase. Like I've said repeatedly, everything about this has been a tragedy. Political operatives have made it worse, and into something it wasn't.

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#3279777 - 07/01/13 01:26 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Wes Parrish]
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The elephant in the room that no one has mentioned thus far:

Even if Zimmerman is found innocent of the Florida murder charges, look for Holder's Justice Department to figure out a way to charge him with a Federal civil rights violation. In all likelihood, the indictment is already drawn up.
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#3279810 - 07/01/13 01:54 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Bambi Buster]
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 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
The elephant in the room that no one has mentioned thus far:

Even if Zimmerman is found innocent of the Florida murder charges, look for Holder's Justice Department to figure out a way to charge him with a Federal civil rights violation. In all likelihood, the indictment is already drawn up.


It was holder's DOJ that has pushed this case thus far. The Prosecuting attorney said as much.

IMO, the prosecution is intentionally making this as embarrassing as possible as a retaliation for going over their heads and forcing them to try a case they had decided TWICE was without merit.
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#3279837 - 07/01/13 02:31 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
The elephant in the room that no one has mentioned thus far:

Even if Zimmerman is found innocent of the Florida murder charges, look for Holder's Justice Department to figure out a way to charge him with a Federal civil rights violation. In all likelihood, the indictment is already drawn up.


It was holder's DOJ that has pushed this case thus far. The Prosecuting attorney said as much.

IMO, the prosecution is intentionally making this as embarrassing as possible as a retaliation for going over their heads and forcing them to try a case they had decided TWICE was without merit.




Crappie got it. Holder has had his hands on this from the day they first let Zimmeman go. In fact Holder and his JD are the ones that gave the first push to the prosecution to pick him back up and fill charges.
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#3279869 - 07/01/13 03:13 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
It was holder's DOJ that has pushed this case thus far. The Prosecuting attorney said as much.

IMO, the prosecution is intentionally making this as embarrassing as possible as a retaliation for going over their heads and forcing them to try a case they had decided TWICE was without merit.

Particularly following today's testimony, you may be correct in that the prosecution is intentionally making this as embarrassing as possible as a retaliation.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/01/sci...immerman-trial/

The Sanford police detective who questioned George Zimmerman the night he shot Trayvon Martin became the latest prosecution witness to appear to do more harm than good to the state's case . . . .

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#3279893 - 07/01/13 03:43 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Wes Parrish]
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That's giving government employees too much credit. I think they are doing all they can but have been asked to prosecute a case with no evidence. Of course, they want a conviction for their own careers and to get some praise, possible promotions, or future political appointments from their corrupt federal bosses.
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#3279945 - 07/01/13 04:41 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: de novo]
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de novo, the prosecutor has a history of being a liberal shill. Had to edit my post becasue I just read where she is no longer around. She was there to start the fire, not cook, I guess.

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#3279986 - 07/01/13 05:48 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Hangnail]
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#3280270 - 07/02/13 04:39 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Encore Eye Candy]
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I don't buy into the large scale conspiracies. I have never been much of a conspiracy theorist, usually the simplest explanation is the most logical one.

Its a pretty simple case in my opinion, an overzealous neighborhood watchman crossed paths with a budding thug/gangster. The watchman legally confronted the thug and the thug reacted as you would expect a thug to react. GZ ended the confrontation with a fatal shot acting in self defense.
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#3280293 - 07/02/13 06:00 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: BamaProud]
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 Originally Posted By: BamaProud


Its a pretty simple case in my opinion, an overzealous neighborhood watchman crossed paths with a budding thug/gangster. The watchman legally confronted the thug and the thug reacted as you would expect a thug to react. GZ ended the confrontation with a fatal shot acting in self defense.


Fixed it for you.

Nothing overzealous about following and reporting. If he chased the kid down and then tackled him or threatened him with a gun while waiting for the police THEN you could argue overzealous.
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#3280295 - 07/02/13 06:06 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: BamaProud]
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 Originally Posted By: BamaProud
I don't buy into the large scale conspiracies. I have never been much of a conspiracy theorist, usually the simplest explanation is the most logical one.

Its a pretty simple case in my opinion, an overzealous neighborhood watchman crossed paths with a budding thug/gangster. The watchman legally confronted the thug and the thug reacted as you would expect a thug to react. GZ ended the confrontation with a fatal shot acting in self defense.



Yes that's simple, the same thing that happens everyday across the USA.

So how did this case get the national spotlight and ever had the president of the United States talking about it on national TV???

What is different about it than the other thousands of cases every year that have blacks and latinos shooting each other??

I have in my life heard of a "white latino" until this case. I have known several lations who had either a white father or mother but they always called themselves latinos.
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#3280306 - 07/02/13 06:28 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: fishboy1]
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 Originally Posted By: fishboy1
 Originally Posted By: BamaProud


Its a pretty simple case in my opinion, an overzealous neighborhood watchman crossed paths with a budding thug/gangster. The watchman legally confronted the thug and the thug reacted as you would expect a thug to react. GZ ended the confrontation with a fatal shot acting in self defense.


Fixed it for you.



Nothing overzealous about following and reporting. If he chased the kid down and then tackled him or threatened him with a gun while waiting for the police THEN you could argue overzealous.


I didn't say there was anything wrong with his actions.
Overzealous (ness) isn't illegal.
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#3280308 - 07/02/13 06:32 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Wildcat]
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 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
 Originally Posted By: BamaProud
I don't buy into the large scale conspiracies. I have never been much of a conspiracy theorist, usually the simplest explanation is the most logical one.

Its a pretty simple case in my opinion, an overzealous neighborhood watchman crossed paths with a budding thug/gangster. The watchman legally confronted the thug and the thug reacted as you would expect a thug to react. GZ ended the confrontation with a fatal shot acting in self defense.



Yes that's simple, the same thing that happens everyday across the USA.

So how did this case get the national spotlight and ever had the president of the United States talking about it on national TV???

What is different about it than the other thousands of cases every year that have blacks and latinos shooting each other??

I have in my life heard of a "white latino" until this case. I have known several lations who had either a white father or mother but they always called themselves latinos.


because the media first mistakenly reported him as a white guy.
Once that mistake was made it snowballed.
The simplest answer still makes the most sense.

...but it doesn't matter, its an unverifiable point. People can believe whatever they like.


Edited by BamaProud (07/02/13 06:34 AM)
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#3280311 - 07/02/13 06:47 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: BamaProud]
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 Originally Posted By: BamaProud
 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
 Originally Posted By: BamaProud
I don't buy into the large scale conspiracies. I have never been much of a conspiracy theorist, usually the simplest explanation is the most logical one.

Its a pretty simple case in my opinion, an overzealous neighborhood watchman crossed paths with a budding thug/gangster. The watchman legally confronted the thug and the thug reacted as you would expect a thug to react. GZ ended the confrontation with a fatal shot acting in self defense.



Yes that's simple, the same thing that happens everyday across the USA.

So how did this case get the national spotlight and ever had the president of the United States talking about it on national TV???

What is different about it than the other thousands of cases every year that have blacks and latinos shooting each other??

I have in my life heard of a "white latino" until this case. I have known several lations who had either a white father or mother but they always called themselves latinos.


because the media first mistakenly reported him as a white guy.
Once that mistake was made it snowballed.
The simplest answer still makes the most sense.

...but it doesn't matter, its an unverifiable point. People can believe whatever they like.


Yep, people can believe he was shot because he was black and that will never be verifiable. No wonder they will riot, they can believe what ever they want.

If the media made a "mistake" first calling him white why didn't they fix it like they ALWAYS DO and say they made a mistake and he was NOT white but a latino or hispanic?? Instead they started calling and some of the media still call him a "white latino" which is just as wrong. That would be the same as calling Obama a "white black". By first "mistakenly" calling him a white man then pushing the "white latino" for over a year the media has kept the race card front and center in this case.
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#3280834 - 07/02/13 05:09 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Wildcat]
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#3280844 - 07/02/13 05:18 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: eightpointer]
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 Originally Posted By: eightpointer
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/guns/zimmerman-prosecutor-angela-corey-indicted-allegedly-falsifying-arrest-warrant


Well that should result in this whole case being Dismissed with Prejudice, it's certainly has been handled with "Prejudice" so far.

Thanks for the link \:\)
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#3280860 - 07/02/13 05:37 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Crappie Luck]
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OK. I'm a moron. I didn't realize that the 'Citizen's grand jury" was a political group, not a legal indictment..

I got "Took" on that one \:D
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#3280903 - 07/02/13 06:28 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
OK. I'm a moron. I didn't realize that the 'Citizen's grand jury" was a political group, not a legal indictment..

I got "Took" on that one \:D


You would only have been a moron had you not researched further and continued to purport this as fact. Good for you. It's refreshing.
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#3280918 - 07/02/13 06:45 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Bambi Buster]
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Wonder how long the trial will go on? On what date do you think the verdict will be handed down.
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#3281505 - 07/03/13 12:04 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Rackseeker]
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Since when is the term cracker not racist
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#3281553 - 07/03/13 12:44 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: nock]
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Since when is the term cracker not racist

"cracker" is not racist because it refers to a white person. That's how racism works.

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#3281578 - 07/03/13 12:58 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: nock]
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Since when is the term cracker not racist


Haven't you figured it out yet. A term or action is ONLY racist if it is against a black, Hispanic, etc.

It is impossible to be racist toward a white person. If that white person is a registered republican male that has a full time job then they are racist just for who they are.

I hate to look at it that way but it is the truth. I read an article the other day that said it is white people's fault that the witness, whatever her name was, didn't have a good enough education to read that letter or was afraid to call police and it is even white people's fault that they call white folks crackers.

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#3281589 - 07/03/13 01:08 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: huntinkev]
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It's white people's fault that George Zimmerman is part white.
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#3281606 - 07/03/13 01:26 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Hunter 257W]
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To be fair, it's the fault of only one white person that Zimmerman is half white. It's the fault of the mainstream idiots that this is even a part of the story.
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#3281609 - 07/03/13 01:32 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Hangnail]
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George Zimmerman is as black as Obama

The 28-year-old insurance-fraud investigator comes from a deeply Catholic background and was taught in his early years to do right by those less fortunate. He was raised in a racially integrated household and himself has black roots through an Afro-Peruvian great-grandfather — the father of the maternal grandmother who helped raise him.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/297014/george-zimmerman-has-black-roots-robert-verbruggen
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#3281855 - 07/03/13 07:29 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Hunter 257W]
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It's white people's fault that George Zimmerman is part white.


Obama is part white too so everything is our fault.
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#3282593 - 07/04/13 07:05 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Bambi Buster]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
OK. I'm a moron. I didn't realize that the 'Citizen's grand jury" was a political group, not a legal indictment..

I got "Took" on that one \:D


You would only have been a moron had you not researched further and continued to purport this as fact. Good for you. It's refreshing.


I was just passing information.

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#3287172 - 07/10/13 08:20 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: eightpointer]
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Trial should end today. From what I saw there was not enough evidence. It should have never gone to trial.
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#3287175 - 07/10/13 08:23 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: nock]
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#3287176 - 07/10/13 08:26 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: nock]
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But, but, but it was a tree branch that caused the bruising. They're really reaching...

Should be over soon. Quick and easy decision.
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#3287265 - 07/10/13 09:42 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: infoman jr.]
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But, but, but it was a tree branch that caused the bruising. They're really reaching...

Should be over soon. Quick and easy decision.
You would think it should be an easy decision if they go by the evidence presented during the trial like they are suppose to. I don't even see enough to consider manslaughter charges. Hopefully their thoughts haven't been influenced by the biased media reports who considered GZ guilty until proven innocent.

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#3287274 - 07/10/13 09:46 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: eightpointer]
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 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
OK. I'm a moron. I didn't realize that the 'Citizen's grand jury" was a political group, not a legal indictment..

I got "Took" on that one \:D


You would only have been a moron had you not researched further and continued to purport this as fact. Good for you. It's refreshing.


I was just passing information.


It's not your fault. What the prosecution did WAS illegal and they should have been indicted. I would have posted that link also. \:\)
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#3287281 - 07/10/13 09:51 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: iowavf]
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I've been watching this on HLN. Made the mistake of leaving it on through Nancy Grace last night. What a nutcase she is.

Like most everybody else here, I don't see how he can be convicted of anything.
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#3287295 - 07/10/13 10:04 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Camp David]
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 Originally Posted By: Camp David
I've been watching this on HLN. Made the mistake of leaving it on through Nancy Grace last night. What a nutcase she is.
Like most everybody else here, I don't see how he can be convicted of anything.


Her and a certain British chap would make a great couple!!!
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#3287330 - 07/10/13 10:26 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Camp David]
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 Originally Posted By: Camp David

Like most everybody else here, I don't see how he can be convicted of anything.


I agree that he SHOULDN'T be.
However, I also feel he never should have been arrested or charged either.

As bad as I hate to say it, as long as this trial has been going on, he is screwed.
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#3287363 - 07/10/13 10:41 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: RUGER]
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Think about how this is going to reflect on the PD down there if he IS convicted....not going to bode well for them for lawsuits to follow for their investigation of the incident I'd say.
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#3287681 - 07/10/13 03:58 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: MUP]
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So the defense rests without calling Zimmerman as a witness - which is the smart way to do it.

The judge then asks Zimmerman multiple times, over his attorneys' objections, and in the presence of the jury, whether he is going to testify. Even after Zimmerman told her he did not want to testify, she continued to ask him and yelled at his attorneys. In a word - WTH???

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/07/10/Zimmerman-will-not-testify

Let's try a last-minute hail mary to poison the jurors again. At least she just gave him another easy reason for appeal.

Unbelievable.
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#3287722 - 07/10/13 04:34 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: BMan]
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#3287734 - 07/10/13 04:47 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: BMan]
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So the defense rests without calling Zimmerman as a witness - which is the smart way to do it.

The judge then asks Zimmerman multiple times, over his attorneys' objections, and in the presence of the jury, whether he is going to testify. Even after Zimmerman told her he did not want to testify, she continued to ask him and yelled at his attorneys. In a word - WTH???

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/07/10/Zimmerman-will-not-testify

Let's try a last-minute hail mary to poison the jurors again. At least she just gave him another easy reason for appeal.

Unbelievable.


I called my lawyer a while ago and he told me every lawyer in the country is talking about that. They said the judge is so close to openly siding with the prosecutors that we can forget about the appeal because she just blew by the rules, she's close to getting an impeachment.
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#3287758 - 07/10/13 05:18 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Wildcat]
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This case making it this far combined with a psychotic judge speaks VOLUMES about the condition of country.... She should lose her job and her retirement for the way she carried on however in this New Day of Wrong being Right........she'll likely be praised and promoted
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#3287764 - 07/10/13 05:23 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Kimber45]
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#3287773 - 07/10/13 05:39 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: bigluresonly]
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With this case going to jury tomorrow, so they say, wanna take bets on how long the jury is out?
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It will not go to jury until Friday afternoon at the earliest if the schedule they did today was correct. The state will do final tomorrow at 1:00. The Defense starting Friday morning. They start tomorrow morning at 9:00.
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#3287808 - 07/10/13 06:28 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: SilverFox]
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I say they will be out 6 days.
Return with a guilty verdict.
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#3287817 - 07/10/13 07:01 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: RUGER]
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and say they will come back in 48 hours with not guilty. Now..I am first to say that I still want to have faith in our great lands justice system. We shall see.
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#3287822 - 07/10/13 07:07 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: RUGER]
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Lets look at History; McDuffie was beat to death by the cops who were found not guilty and I recall about 3,000 National Guard were called in to Miami as I was leaving for California in May, 1980. 12 dead(?), a goodly portion of Miami burned to the ground.

1992 Rodney King had the stuff busted out of him, caught on video, Los Angeles was a wreck.

Gonna be trouble when Zimmerman walks Friday afternoon, jury out 4 hours maybe. The state was the best defense a guy could ask for.

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#3287824 - 07/10/13 07:08 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
 Originally Posted By: eightpointer
 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
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OK. I'm a moron. I didn't realize that the 'Citizen's grand jury" was a political group, not a legal indictment..

I got "Took" on that one \:D


You would only have been a moron had you not researched further and continued to purport this as fact. Good for you. It's refreshing.


I was just passing information.


It's not your fault. What the prosecution did WAS illegal and they should have been indicted. I would have posted that link also. \:\)


I'm glad to hear that. We aint never met CL..but I've always kinda looked to you to be the high IQ kind of fella. I don't look at the Politics forum very much but when I do I usually learn a thing or two from your posts.

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#3287831 - 07/10/13 07:11 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: eightpointer]
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 Originally Posted By: eightpointer
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say they will come back in 48 hours with not guilty. Now..I am first to say that I still want to have faith in our great lands justice system. We shall see.


That's what most people say and I agree. If it goes to the jury tomorrow then it might be Monday before we first hear about it.
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#3287848 - 07/10/13 07:30 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Wildcat]
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One of the benefits of working with attorneys and judges is I get to see their reactions to this in real time.

Today, several almost stroked out at the judge.

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#3287861 - 07/10/13 07:48 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Wildcat]
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I am agreeing with ruger,a conviction is coming.we are losing our country pretty darn fast
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#3287885 - 07/10/13 08:06 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: ROUGH COUNTRY HUNTER]
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I think this whole thing is a waste of time and taxpayer dollars.... Being used to get people's minds off other things such as Bengazi, NSA, and IRS!!! Issues the media should be much more concerned with...
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#3288155 - 07/11/13 05:24 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Roost 1]
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I think this whole thing is a waste of time and taxpayer dollars.... Being used to get people's minds off other things such as Bengazi, NSA, and IRS!!! Issues the media should be much more concerned with...


^^^THIS^^^!!! The whole reason EH concocted this bogus hype against GZ to start with, to distract from the criminal activities running rampant throughout the white hut!
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#3288174 - 07/11/13 06:36 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Roost 1]
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 Originally Posted By: Roost 1
I think this whole thing is a waste of time and taxpayer dollars.... Being used to get people's minds off other things such as Bengazi, NSA, and IRS!!! Issues the media should be much more concerned with...


That and to divide the country racially and the classes.
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#3288318 - 07/11/13 08:50 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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If GZ is not convicted on 2nd degree murder on the basis of self defense, that same self defense should prevent a conviction on any lesser charges.

Nothing he did was illegal prior to being attacked.
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#3288593 - 07/11/13 12:50 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Roost 1]
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 Originally Posted By: Roost 1
I think this whole thing is a waste of time and taxpayer dollars.... Being used to get people's minds off other things such as Bengazi, NSA, and IRS!!! Issues the media should be much more concerned with...

I agree this is a waste of taxpayer dollars, and part of why it's happened has been to get people distracted from much more important national issues.

However, I think the beginning of the Zimmerman-Martin national spectacle began in October 2012 mainly as a means of "getting out the vote" of more low-information voters in the State of Florida (Presidential election Nov. 2012). Low-information voters tend to pay less attention to economic issues, prior broken promises and failures of candidates, and tend to vote mainly on some timely motivating circumstance playing on their emotions. (It was actually thought that most low-information voters wouldn't vote at all in the 2012 Presidential election, so this was one way to draw many into the voting booths.)

Yes, this did draw attention away from Benghazi, but the larger motivating factor for Eric Holder, his DOI, and Obama to push for Zimmerman's arrest and this trial was the upcoming presidential election. Keep in mind democrat operatives seemed to think (early October 2012) that Obama was losing, and they particularly needed Obama to win the State of Florida. If you watched the 1st Presidential debate between Obama & Romney, it even appeared Obama had already admitted defeat, essentially not even preparing for that debate.

Keep in mind the Zimmerman-Martin tragedy happened early in 2012, yet wasn't blown into a huge national spectacle until October 2012, a few weeks before the Presidential election.

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#3288604 - 07/11/13 12:58 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: The Political Forum
During 2012, democrat operatives were desperately on the lookout for ANY potentially divisive tragedy they could exploit into more votes for Barack Obama. The tragedy could be racially divisive or involve a wedge issue such as guns, or ideally (to them) both. It had become obvious that Obama was not going to be re-elected based on his track record and outright failures (at least in terms of doing the things he said and/or implied he would in getting elected in 2008).

They were being very proactive by being highly prepared in their politically motivated responses to certain tragedies which COULD happen, and DO happen periodically. The plan was to "use" these tragedies to make people angry, divide people, but more importantly (to them) to "get out the vote" based mainly how their target audience (low-information voters) would respond to their "declaration" of events. As one of their key "leaders" stated multiple times regarding democratic political operatives, "Never let a good tragedy go to waste."

From Day One, the mainstream news media was "in" on this plan, performing in perfect lock-step as directed. There was no "reporting" of news, but rather a "shaping" of what they wanted people to think. Real news was actually suppressed, not reported when it didn't fit their narrative. When the Zimmerman-Martin tragedy occurred in the Spring of 2012, they really didn't feel this rose to the level of what they wanted to greatly exploit for political gain. After all, similar tragedies involving someone shooting a teenager happen almost daily in Chicago. What they were REALLY waiting to happen was something more like the Sandy Hook tragedy, it's just that Sandy Hook happened after the election (similarly exploited, nonetheless).

It was October 2012, and there had recently been nothing, or at least nothing of the magnitude democratic operatives were looking to exploit. What could they "use" to help "get out the vote" of large groups of low-information voters who normally wouldn't vote at all?

With the mainstream media in lockstep, Eric Holder and the DOJ, Barack Obama, and democratic operatives all colluded to make George Zimmerman into a murderous monster, and Treyvon Martin into the most innocent of children. In maneuvers counter to America's "rule of law" and the presumption of innocence until proven guilty, democratic operatives declared Zimmerman guilty of 1st degree murder, then worked hard to turn hate into votes. Looking for truth and seeking justice were never goals. The goal was to use their divisive hate-mongering to motivate low-information voters into voting for Obama in early November 2012, more specifically, to win the State of Florida.

Barack Obama could have just as easily come on TV in October 2012 and talked about the tragedy and misunderstandings, how we should seek unity and understanding, not be so quick to cast stones, but seek the truth and true justice. He also could have used his time more wisely by choosing to discuss less about local tragedies and more about national tragedies. As previously stated, similar to Zimmerman-Martin, localized tragedies happen in Chicago alone almost daily. But Obama needed particularly to "get out the vote" in the State of Florida. He already had Illinois and Chicago in lock-step, while it was looking like Florida was going for Romney, and worse, Romney was winning nationally. They had to "do something". Politics first, America last, the injustice is transparent.

What "change" has the Obama Presidency brought us?

Chicago-style politics have become more mainstream and accepted?

Who cares about the law? Who cares about true justice?
Certainly not Eric Holder; certainly not Barack Obama.

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#3288605 - 07/11/13 01:00 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: BamaProud]
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"George Zimmerman profiled, stalked, pulled that trigger and intentionally killed this poor child........

......if you don't find him guilty then consider the possibility that he profiled, stalked, intentionally pulled that trigger and unintentionally killed this poor child..."

Pathetic...
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#3288613 - 07/11/13 01:09 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Crappie Luck]
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I may bw wrong but it is obvious to me that this judge is doing all she can to see that GZ is found guilty. I think she is being pressure to help out the prosecution
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#3288622 - 07/11/13 01:18 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
"George Zimmerman profiled, stalked, pulled that trigger and intentionally killed this poor child........

......if you don't find him guilty then consider the possibility that he profiled, stalked, intentionally pulled that trigger and unintentionally killed this poor child..."

Pathetic...


LOL. "Our star witness lied a few times and can't read cursive. You can disregard her testimony."
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#3288635 - 07/11/13 01:33 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: preds1]
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But... She is from Haiti and she gets a pass because its a poor nation!
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#3288675 - 07/11/13 02:08 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: preds1]
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Haven't heard anyone say anything bout a hung jury. is that a possibility?
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#3288697 - 07/11/13 02:29 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: taximan]
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Their changing the rules in the middle of the game now.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/11/judge-allows-jury-to-consider-manslaughter-in-zimmerman-case/
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#3288718 - 07/11/13 02:54 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: de novo]
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The state's side keeps getting stranger and stranger. This closing is not helping the state at all. I saw where at least one of the jury will not make eye contact with the guy on the local news station for Stanford.
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#3288723 - 07/11/13 03:00 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: SilverFox]
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The prosecutor's closing was a choose your own adventure book.

There was no clear accusation, just a series of possible scenarios.
Their own closing arguments were each presented with possible doubt and another "possibility".

The deliberation is not about guilt, it's a poll of the most liked theory of events.

BIZARRE!!!!
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#3288724 - 07/11/13 03:01 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: SilverFox]
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I'm no expert but it seems the states closing is only trying to debunk defense not prove guilt
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#3288727 - 07/11/13 03:01 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: taximan]
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 Originally Posted By: taximan
I'm no expert but it seems the states closing is only trying to debunk defense not prove guilt


Yes. It's all kinds of crazy, isn't it?
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#3288736 - 07/11/13 03:08 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: taximan]
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If he'll drive up here il show him how I can grab a gun holstered in my back with someone straddling me. It wouldnt be hard. These closing arguments are just a last chance because they know there wasn't enough evidence to convict. Really this has to be the most unorganized closing I have ever witnessed in any trial.
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#3288740 - 07/11/13 03:11 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: SilverFox]
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Really bizarre ......
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#3288742 - 07/11/13 03:13 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Poleaxe]
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If Zimmerman's intent was to shoot Martin, Zimmerman wouldn't have gotten the snot beat out of him. To think anything different is irrational and grossly subjective. Any sane person that thinks they'd allow someone to beat them to death instead of using a weapon to end the attack is lying to himself.

In a nutshell, Zimmerman was doing what he thought was a valuable task that would better his neighborhood. Martin decided to be a thug and got killed for his efforts.

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#3288744 - 07/11/13 03:14 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Poleaxe]
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Well that was an odd closing... I wonder how long the defense will take tomorrow? Wonder when will get the verdict?
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#3288749 - 07/11/13 03:16 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Hangnail]
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 Originally Posted By: Hangnail
Martin decided to be a thug and got killed for his efforts.



EXACTLY !!!
The cops should have done their investigation (look at the back of his head) patted him on the back, gave his gun back and chunked the garbage in the nearest swamp.

Done.
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#3288750 - 07/11/13 03:16 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Hangnail]
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If Zimmerman's intent was to shoot Martin, Zimmerman wouldn't have gotten the snot beat out of him.

Good point.

Nor would he have called the police, which could have easily arrived before the confrontation.

 Originally Posted By: RUGER
 Originally Posted By: Hangnail
Martin decided to be a thug and got killed for his efforts.


The cops should have done their investigation . . . . .

The cops DID do their investigation.
They decided no charges would be filed against Mr. Zimmerman.
It was Eric Holder, Barack Obama et al who demanded there be charges.

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#3288751 - 07/11/13 03:18 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: taximan]
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I'm no expert but it seems the states closing is only trying to debunk defense not prove guilt


That is exactly what I have been thinking. Almost like he has no experience in prosecution. he went about it all wrong.
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#3288754 - 07/11/13 03:20 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: BamaProud]
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The defense gets 3 hours tomorrow... Will they use it? I have no clue. The state has 30 minutes for rebuttal.
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#3288759 - 07/11/13 03:23 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: SilverFox]
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Lots of very subjective explanations by the prosecuting attorney to GZ's police interview. Surely the Jury doesn't think this prosecutors explanation is superior to their own interpretation when listening to it for themselves. I would find that fairly insulting.
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#3288762 - 07/11/13 03:26 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: BamaProud]
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The delivery of the whole thing was shoddy too. High octave and often loud. Just a bad speech on both content and execution IMO.
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#3288775 - 07/11/13 03:38 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: BamaProud]
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Being an all woman jury I would think they found his tone offensive and lost interest. How many women get yelled at when they are at home? And now as a jury?
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#3288781 - 07/11/13 03:43 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Hangnail]
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[quote=Hangnail]If Zimmerman's intent was to shoot Martin, Zimmerman wouldn't have gotten the snot beat out of him. To think anything different is irrational and grossly subjective. Any sane person that thinks they'd allow someone to beat them to death instead of using a weapon to end the attack is lying to himself.

Thats a really great point. Have they even brought that up during the trial?

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#3288797 - 07/11/13 03:58 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: RUGER]
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 Originally Posted By: RUGER
 Originally Posted By: Hangnail
Martin decided to be a thug and got killed for his efforts.



EXACTLY !!!
The cops should have done their investigation (look at the back of his head) patted him on the back, gave his gun back and chunked the garbage in the nearest swamp.

Done.


That's what the cops did - then the top cop got fired and Washing DC moved in - sorry sorry sorry
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#3288798 - 07/11/13 03:59 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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Huh... And if O had a son, I believe i recall O saying this is what he'd look like??
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#3288803 - 07/11/13 04:01 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: ferg]
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This is the new "Ruby Ridge"

Govt. thugs on display.
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#3288808 - 07/11/13 04:05 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Crappie Luck]
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#3288811 - 07/11/13 04:08 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: preds1]
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Unfortunately, now I won't be able to get it out of my brain! He didn't die of a drug overdose, he got a lobotomy and became a judge in Florida!
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#3288818 - 07/11/13 04:18 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Diehard Hunter]
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#3288819 - 07/11/13 04:25 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: BamaProud]
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 Originally Posted By: BamaProud
 Originally Posted By: taximan
I'm no expert but it seems the states closing is only trying to debunk defense not prove guilt


That is exactly what I have been thinking. Almost like he has no experience in prosecution. he went about it all wrong.
That is because they have no evidence that proves GZ wasn't acting in self defense. They have to speculate what might have happened but have nothing to back up their argument.

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#3288823 - 07/11/13 04:29 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Poleaxe]
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I don't know if it was brought up or not. I haven't watched a second of the TV trial as I've been working to make sure that illiterate chick has some food on her table this week. She's been going back for seconds and thirds by the look of her chins.

During the closing arguments, if the defense attorney doesn't bring up how many people Zimmerman has "watched" over the years that didn't attack him and he didn't shoot, he should be shot in public.

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#3288832 - 07/11/13 04:38 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Hangnail]
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 Originally Posted By: Hangnail
I don't know if it was brought up or not.


I think if the state thought GZ intended to kill TM as he was watching/following/monitoring him(whatever you want to call it) they would be trying him on First Degree Murder. That requites some degree of premeditation.

He's being tried for second degree that is where the proof "ill will, hatred or spite comes in. They are basically claiming GZ reacted based on those feelings killing TM without premeditation.

...still a stretch to prove IMO.


Edited by BamaProud (07/11/13 04:42 PM)
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#3288838 - 07/11/13 04:48 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Hangnail]
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 Originally Posted By: Hangnail
During the closing arguments, if the defense attorney doesn't bring up how many people Zimmerman has "watched" over the years that didn't attack him and he didn't shoot, he should be shot in public.


In order to that, those facts would have to have been established by evidence in the trial. Were they?

"watching" people is kind of weird. IMO, not a good tactic to make your guy look weird during closing.

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#3288843 - 07/11/13 04:53 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: pass-thru]
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 Originally Posted By: Hangnail
During the closing arguments, if the defense attorney doesn't bring up how many people Zimmerman has "watched" over the years that didn't attack him and he didn't shoot, he should be shot in public.


In order to that, those facts would have to have been established by evidence in the trial. Were they?

"watching" people is kind of weird. IMO, not a good tactic to make your guy look weird during closing.


It was established by the prosecution that GZ watched and called the police on a bunch of people through trying to prove he was obsessed/almost crazy in his desire to be a cop.

It would be a good tactic to reference all the events that did not so south, painting it in the light of his professionalism IMO.
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#3288849 - 07/11/13 04:55 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: pass-thru]
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Hey, this is internet banter, not the freakin' Supreme Court. I'm pretty sure I prefaced my statements by saying I wasn't watching the trial. So a Neighborhood Watch isn't watching people? Weird is letting your neighborhood go to hell in a handbasket without doing anything to stop it. We already have Detroit.

I haven't wasted a second on watching this trial as it was apparent once the politicians got involved, "fair" wouldn't be found. Fairness was dead the second the police chief was fired.

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#3288853 - 07/11/13 04:59 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Hangnail]
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I wasn't disagreeing with anything you said Hangnail. I say watching people is indeed a crucial part of a Neighborhood watch.
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#3288860 - 07/11/13 05:08 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: BamaProud]
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Dang it BP, I'm trying my best to argue with someone! You ain't helpin' a bit....
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#3288861 - 07/11/13 05:11 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Hangnail]
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LOL I get enough arguing at work and at home(know it all kids) I don't want to argue on the internet too. \:\) I do enjoy discussion though.
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#3288870 - 07/11/13 05:20 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: ]
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#3288876 - 07/11/13 05:26 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Hangnail]
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Some people just take all the fun out of anonymous, internet bantering \:D
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#3288889 - 07/11/13 05:49 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Crappie Luck]
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\:D \:D LOL @ Bama and Hangnail.
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#3288898 - 07/11/13 06:17 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: preds1]
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The prosecution is amazed that this black boy didn't steal the Skittles he had on him....Who's profiling again?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnRuHmlOVfw
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#3289005 - 07/11/13 08:40 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Crappie Luck]
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It appears the DOJ spent taxpayer dollars to support the "Justice for Trayvon" rallies. There is also speculation of other involvement with the judge.

http://www.infowars.com/judge-in-zimmerman-case-pressured-by-obama-administration/

The hostile exchange began when Judge Debra Nelson asked Zimmerman if he planned to testify.

Essentially, Judge Nelson told Zimmerman he had the “absolute right to remain silent” but then proceeded to demand he answer her questions interrogation-style while silencing his lawyers.

Defense attorney Don West twice objected to Nelson’s interrogation, prompting the judge to raised her voice and exclaim, “Your objection is overruled!” in a manner more befitting of an angry parent lecturing a child than a legal professional.

Both of Zimmerman’s lawyers appeared shocked as attorney Mark O’Mara asked under his breath, “what is going on?”

Several legal experts and observers said the outburst was unprecedented.

“I have never seen that in more than 30 years of court reporting,” tweeted journalist Kathi Belich.

Former Senatorial candidate Richard Rivette also expressed his shock at the judge’s behavior.

“This judge is an idiot. I spent five years investigating high profile capital cases defending people from the death penalty, and worked for the Federal judiciary as an independent investigator on other cases. No judge ever inquires as to whether a defendant will testify until the entire defense case is presented. If the defense rests and does not call the defendant then the judge knows there will be no testimony. If the defense calls the defendant then that’s when the judge finds out. They have to get through the entire case first. To see if it is valid after prosecution cross-examines their witnesses and experts as to whether a defendant SHOULD testify, which is decided in private not in public, and NOT on the record. By doing this, the judge has undermined a portion of Zimmerman’s credibility. He looks like he is waffling and this is normal judge/defendant questioning, which it is NOT,” said Rivette.

Respondents to the story at the National Review Online also expressed their view that Zimmerman was being railroaded.

A fix is in from the administration to find Zimmerman guilty regardless of what it takes,” commented one.

“By demanding that Zimmerman respond to a question, after she has assured him that he has the right to remain silent, she is undermining his right to remain silent and making it appear as though he and his attorneys are not firm in their convictions. This judge is shameless,” added another.

Judge Nelson also ruled this week that Trayvon Martin’s text messages, which showed that Martin had been involved in fights before and was trying to buy or sell a gun, cannot be shown to the jury, which some suggested was another indication of an anti-Zimmerman bias.

Nelson also granted a request by prosecutors to block the defense’s attempt to show the jury a computer-animated depiction of the fight between Martin and Zimmerman.

She is also likely to allow the jury to consider lesser charges against Zimmerman in light of the prosecution’s probable failure to prove its case for second-degree murder, another indication that the state is desperate to avoid him walking free.

Judge Nelson has been very careful at every stage of the trial to dismiss evidence or testimony that could convince the jury in favor of acquitting Zimmerman.

Now some are asking the question – did Nelson’s aggressive outburst represent an attempt to prejudice the jury against Zimmerman?

Given the likelihood that Zimmerman will be acquitted, ment to aggressively advocate for the prosecution,has Judge Nelson been put under pressure by the federal govern just as Supreme Court Justice John Roberts was apparently pressured to vote to uphold Obamacare?

Ever since President Barack Obama personally inserted himself into the controversy by declaring Trayvon Martin to be akin to the son he never had, higher-ups have constantly meddled in the case in an effort to secure a murder charge for a scenario that Zimmerman would not normally have even been arrested for under Florida’s Stand Your Ground law.

Indeed, ex-Sanford police chief Bill Lee told CNN yesterday that “he felt pressure from city officials to arrest Zimmerman to placate the public rather than as a matter of justice,” and that his investigation “provided no probable cause to arrest Zimmerman at the scene.”

It also emerged this week that the federal government encouraged and funded last year’s protests demanding the arrest of Zimmerman via the Community Relations Service, a division of the Department of Justice. Documents obtained by Judicial Watch show that the CRS was “deployed to Sanford, FL, following the Trayvon Martin shooting to help organize and manage rallies and protests against George Zimmerman,” spending millions of dollars in the process.

Given the plethora of threats by Trayvon supporters to stage violent riots if Zimmerman is acquitted, could Nelson be under pressure to secure a charge of at least manslaughter in order to avoid nationwide civil disorder?

If that’s the case, her apparent effort to prejudice the jury clearly suggests that a mistrial has taken place.
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#3289204 - 07/12/13 06:52 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Camp David]
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This trial should and will erode the confidence of the US citizens in the judicial system.

This banana republic like kangaroo court shows that the government has turned on its citizens. Forget the law, the elites need a conviction for their plans so off with his head.

Our government looks more and more like France under King Louis.

Understand that if Zimmerman is convicted, the Feds have just forced through the nullification of the Second Amendment. You can no longer defend yourself, even if you are on the ground getting your face beaten in. No matter how in the right you are the government WILL come after you and they will be determined to convict you of SOMETHING.

Also consider how easily the Federal Pressure put this entire ball in motion. Multiple people caved in, people were removed from their jobs and a Man's life is in the balance for political points. Who had the guts to say "NO WAY" and who went along so they didn't loose their job? I hope those people can't sleep at night thinking about their cowardice.


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#3289218 - 07/12/13 07:17 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: fishboy1]
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One juror has a carry permit and one other had one in the past. I think the Govt. has a large hill to clime to get a conviction.

My money is on acquittal or, at worse, a hung jury
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#3289221 - 07/12/13 07:23 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Crappie Luck]
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Prosecution’s case: GZ didn’t prove his innocence beyond a reasonable doubt
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#3289228 - 07/12/13 07:25 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Crappie Luck]
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As I was scanning radio stations on the way to work this morning I stop on a conversation about the trial on Nashville's rap station.

It's funny (or REALLY sad) how they view this versus someone who has actually paid attention to the trial. One guy said, and I quote "dat Zimamin sed 'Tra' had him on da groun an wuz beatin him in da face. He a dam lyah. Dinnit nutthin like dat happ'n".

It just reiterates my thoughts that they are looking for an excuse to riot rather than the truth.
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#3289229 - 07/12/13 07:25 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
Prosecution’s case: GZ didn’t prove his innocence beyond a reasonable doubt


That's what they tried to say over 3 hours yesterday, yet the LAW reads the other way.

This is proving to be nothing more than a kangaroo court like said by fishboy.
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#3289252 - 07/12/13 07:51 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Wildcat]
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What a sad state of affairs our country has devolved into. This trial is even more pathetic than the OJ trial.

To our liberal viewers, hope you're happy with this Hoax and Chains stuff...
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#3289254 - 07/12/13 07:55 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Rebel]
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This Charade SUCKS.
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#3289259 - 07/12/13 08:01 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: J.Maples]
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Defense closing arguments.....

http://www.foxnews.com/live-coverage/zimmerman-trial
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#3289284 - 07/12/13 08:24 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: preds1]
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Note Mark O'Mara isn't screaming at the Jury. ...and so far isn't insulting their intelligence. much more professional IMO.
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#3289412 - 07/12/13 10:44 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: BamaProud]
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And we are done. Fantastic job by Mark O'mara.
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#3289415 - 07/12/13 10:45 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: BamaProud]
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Yep, pretty good.
Waiting on prosecution rebuttal.
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#3289416 - 07/12/13 10:46 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: preds1]
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They get 1 hour right?
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#3289418 - 07/12/13 10:49 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: BamaProud]
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10 minuites I think. THey just took a quick break.
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#3289419 - 07/12/13 10:50 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: preds1]
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Yesterday they said 30 min rebuttal....idk if its changed or not
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#3289426 - 07/12/13 10:58 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: taximan]
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I think they may add a little since MM went over his 3 hours.
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#3289430 - 07/12/13 11:05 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: SilverFox]
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Meant the jury took a 10 min break, not an hour.
Not sure how long rebuttal is.
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#3289458 - 07/12/13 11:34 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: preds1]
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LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCNVBgxDXts
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#3289459 - 07/12/13 11:36 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Crappie Luck]
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Prosecution calls Zimmerman "Staypuff fat fatty"

WOW, that's professional!!!!

Idiocracy, we are there
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#3289460 - 07/12/13 11:38 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Crappie Luck]
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State is really pulling on heartstrings....but not offering facts....he's a piece of work....
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#3289462 - 07/12/13 11:40 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck


LMAO.... \:D \:D
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#3289463 - 07/12/13 11:44 AM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Crappie Luck]
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Prosecution says "lack of evidence is GZ'z fault"
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#3289474 - 07/12/13 12:13 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
Prosecution says "lack of evidence is GZ'z fault"

Actually, they confused their Georges and misspoke.
They MEANT to say it was George Bush's fault.

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#3289552 - 07/12/13 01:28 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Wes Parrish]
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Well they are deliberating. I say they are ready to go home and come back with a verdict relatively quick. Its 2:30 there, plenty of time to get a verdict this afternoon.
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#3289553 - 07/12/13 01:30 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: BamaProud]
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Stay tuned and be vigilant
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#3289579 - 07/12/13 01:56 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: taximan]
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I haven't seen a smoking gun or solid evidence from the prosecution.
Just a lot of name calling and "don't believe what the defense says".
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#3289595 - 07/12/13 02:09 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: preds1]
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Is the evidence down here in my pants? I don't know. Could be. What's in my pants? Is it my "Guy Doll"? That's for you to decide. Is George Zimmerman in my pants with the "Guy Doll"? I don't know. Therefore, Guilty.
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#3289660 - 07/12/13 03:35 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Crappie Luck]
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Does this judge not look like chris farley in a wig?
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#3289661 - 07/12/13 03:36 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: taximan]
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 Originally Posted By: taximan
Does this judge not look like chris farley in a wig?


Seemingly just as crazy too \:\)
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#3289664 - 07/12/13 04:01 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: preds1]
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 Originally Posted By: preds1
I haven't seen a smoking gun or solid evidence from the prosecution.
Just a lot of name calling and "don't believe what the defense says".
He stated they need to make their decision from their heart. I thought they are suppose to make their decision from the facts and evidence presented, which doesn't favor the state.

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#3290462 - 07/13/13 05:34 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: preds1]
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 Originally Posted By: preds1
I haven't seen a smoking gun or solid evidence from the prosecution.
Just a lot of name calling and "don't believe what the defense says".

There is a growing body of evidence supporting a top-down demand to prosecute Zimmerman regardless of evidence, and this "evidence" says much which could have helped Zimmerman's defense has been either denied (by the judge) or hidden by the prosecution (evidence favorable to Zimmerman not disclosed to the defense as required by law).

Read the below clip:

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2013-...gy-director-who

State Attorney Angela Corey fired her office’s information technology director (Ben Kruidbos) Friday (July 12) after he testified last month about being concerned prosecutors did not turn over information to George Zimmerman’s defense team.

Before Kruidbos’ name surfaced in the Martin trial proceedings, he received a pay raise for “meritorious performance,” according to a document dated May 16, 2013 in his personnel file.


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#3290466 - 07/13/13 05:41 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Wes Parrish]
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Do you think o'mara knows all the things surrounding the case that the jury doesn't know....such as DOJ documents, hidden info by prosecuters, judges actions and do you think he is going to throw a wrench in the plans if he isn't aquitted?
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#3290467 - 07/13/13 05:44 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: taximan]
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 Originally Posted By: taximan
Do you think o'mara knows all the things surrounding the case that the jury doesn't know....such as DOJ documents, hidden info by prosecuters, judges actions and do you think he is going to throw a wrench in the plans if he isn't aquitted?


Not a chance, he isn't willing to stick his neck out and get his head cut off as well.
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#3290474 - 07/13/13 05:51 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Rackseeker]
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^^ my thought too but what do i know....
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#3290585 - 07/13/13 08:07 PM Re: Zimmerman Trial [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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Read this on another forum and it's spot on.

"The Zimmerman trial says a lot about race in America — just not what the mainstream media want the story to be."


"Look at the residents of this 'gated community' who lived just in that one spot. It is more diverse than a Democrat photo-op. This neighborhood had young and old, Asians and blacks and whites and Hispanics all living next to each other in peace, but needing a gates and a neighborhood watch to protect themselves from outsiders."
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