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#3276703 - 06/27/13 07:35 AM Re: Why I support gay rights [Re: Wildcat]
8 Point

Registered: 06/18/09
Posts: 1666
Loc: easttennessee

I really don't know how I feel about it. The main thing is as long as they are'nt taking any of my right's from me.
#3276704 - 06/27/13 07:36 AM Re: Why I support gay rights [Re: Bottom Hunter]
14 Point

Registered: 11/30/00
Posts: 7579
Loc: Murfreesboro, TN

Are there gay rednecks? I'm wondering what that'd look like. Pastel wifebeaters maybe?
#3276708 - 06/27/13 07:41 AM Re: Why I support gay rights [Re: DirtyBear0311]
4 Point

Registered: 03/09/12
Posts: 180
Loc: Wayne County

 Originally Posted By: DirtyBear0311
I sit here and write this knowing that ill probably take a lot of flak for this but here it goes anyway. Ill start by saying that I am an ardent conservative and a very strong christian who has an amazing relationship with Christ. With that being said, I also consider myself a patriot who fought for the rights of the people of this great country. And here is where things take a turn from the normal. I believe in equal rights for ALL citizens of America. I dont agree with the (**INSERT WHATEVER YOU BELIEVE HERE**) at all. In fact, my sister struggles with (**INSERT WHATEVER YOU BELIEVE HERE**) and it absolutely kills me inside. However, I also dont agree with liberals, hippies, muslims, etc yet I still respect the fact that they have all the rights that I do. I also recognize that the US has a separation of church and state (whether I think it's for the best or not is another matter) and being as it is law, I will respect it. I dont pick and choose which laws I follow and as such, I will follow them all (as long as they are constitutional). So with the separation of church and state, I thing that (**INSERT WHATEVER YOU BELIEVE HERE**) should have every right that my wife and I enjoy. As to what I think should be done. I think that "marriage" is a religious matter and that it is different from a civil union. I think the government should not give out marriage certificates but rather "union certificates". After the legal paperwork is done, a heterosexual couple can have their ceremony as a wedding and have it done by a certified spiritual individual while a (**INSERT WHATEVER YOU BELIEVE HERE**) can have whatever ceremony they want outside of a "marriage" ceremony. That way the (**INSERT WHATEVER YOU BELIEVE HERE**) can have equal rights according to law yet everyone else can still be married before the eyes of God. Either way it all boils down to equal rights regardless of your stupid, sinful, and wrong beliefs.

#3276711 - 06/27/13 07:45 AM Re: Why I support gay rights [Re: Rebel]
4 Point

Registered: 03/09/12
Posts: 180
Loc: Wayne County

 Originally Posted By: Rebel
I'd also like to point out your comment about "Separation of Church and State". This is yet another liberal myth. There is no mention of this in the Constitution. This argument got legs based on a letter Jefferson wrote to the Church of Danbury in the early 1800's. 1804, I think. In the letter, Jefferson assured the church that the government had no intention of setting a rules on churches such as "The Church of England". The supreme court in the late 1800's interpreted that letter to mean that the church should have no influence on government and government would have no influence(power) over what is preached in the church.

I've read that letter however and have read many opinions on the letter. While the Supremes ruled on the language of one portion of the letter, they failed to mention that in that same letter Jefferson urged the churches to influence the government. I think he told that church, it was their duty to get involved in affairs of government.

That right there is one place where the wheels began coming off the track of this once great country.

#3276712 - 06/27/13 07:50 AM Re: Why I support gay rights [Re: Tennrock]
Cancer Free
16 Point

Registered: 07/29/04
Posts: 16231
Loc: At the TNDeer shirt factory %^...

This is not now or has it ever been about 'marriage' - Period. Hard Stop.

This is now, and always has been, about money - again period. Hard Stop.

Change the effed up tax laws/codes make them EQUAL for everyone and this entire argument goes away. Period.

What's your PSA #? Don't know? You should, do it.

Semper Par !

#3276713 - 06/27/13 07:51 AM Re: Why I support gay rights [Re: Hangnail]
Crappie Luck Moderator

Registered: 01/29/03
Posts: 62020
Loc: Smith Co.

"Gay Marriage doesn't effect me".....


On November 18, 2003, the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court announced its Goodridge opinion, ruling that it was unconstitutional not to allow same-sex “marriage.” Six months later, homosexual marriages began to be performed.

The public schools

• The homosexual “marriage” onslaught in public schools across the state started soon after the November 2003, court decision.

• At my own children's high school there was a school-wide assembly to celebrate same-sex “marriage” in early December, 2003. It featured an array of speakers, including teachers at the school who announced that they would be “marrying” their same-sex partners and starting families either through adoption or artificial insemination. Literature on same-sex marriage – how it is now a normal part of society – was handed out to the students.

• Within months it was brought into the middle schools. In September, 2004, an 8th-grade teacher in Brookline, MA, told National Public Radio that the marriage ruling had opened up the floodgates for teaching homosexuality. “In my mind, I know that, `OK, this is legal now.' If somebody wants to challenge me, I'll say, `Give me a break. It's legal now,'” she told NPR. She added that she now discusses gay sex with her students as explicitly as she desires. For example, she said she tells the kids that lesbians can have vaginal intercourse using sex toys.

• By the following year it was in elementary school curricula. Kindergartners were given picture books telling them that same-sex couples are just another kind of family, like their own parents. In 2005, when David Parker of Lexington, MA – a parent of a kindergartner – strongly insisted on being notified when teachers were discussing homosexuality or transgenderism with his son, the school had him arrested and put in jail overnight.

• Second graders at the same school were read a book, “King and King”, about two men who have a romance and marry each other, with a picture of them kissing. When parents Rob and Robin Wirthlin complained, they were told that the school had no obligation to notify them or allow them to opt-out their child.

• In 2006 the Parkers and Wirthlins filed a federal Civil Rights lawsuit to force the schools to notify parents and allow them to opt-out their elementary-school children when homosexual-related subjects were taught. The federal judges dismissed the case. The judges ruled that because same-sex marriage is legal in Massachusetts, the school actually had a duty to normalize homosexual relationships to children, and that schools have no obligation to notify parents or let them opt-out their children! Acceptance of homosexuality had become a matter of good citizenship!

• Think about that: Because same-sex marriage is “legal”, a federal judge has ruled that the schools now have a duty to portray homosexual relationships as normal to children, despite what parents think or believe!

• In 2006, in the elementary school where my daughter went to Kindergarten, the parents of a third-grader were forced to take their child out of school because a man undergoing a sex-change operation and cross-dressing was being brought into class to teach the children that there are now “different kinds of families.” School officials told the mother that her complaints to the principal were considered “inappropriate behavior.”

• Libraries have also radically changed. School libraries across the state, from elementary school to high school, now have shelves of books to normalize homosexual behavior and the lifestyle in the minds of kids, some of them quite explicit and even pornographic. Parents complaints are ignored or met with hostility.

• Over the past year, homosexual groups have been using taxpayer money to distribute a large, slick hardcover book celebrating homosexual marriage titled “Courting Equality” into every school library in the state.

• It’s become commonplace in Massachusetts schools for teachers to prominently display photos of their same-sex “spouses” and occasionally bring them to school functions. Both high schools in my own town now have principals who are “married” to their same-sex partners, whom they bring to school and introduce to the students.

• “Gay days” in schools are considered necessary to fight “intolerance” which may exist against same-sex relationships. Hundreds of high schools and even middle schools across the state now hold “gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender appreciation days”. They “celebrate” homosexual marriage and move forward to other behaviors such as cross-dressing and transsexuality. In my own town, a school committee member recently announced that combating “homophobia” is now a top priority.

Once homosexuality has been normalized, all boundaries will come down. The schools are already moving on to normalizing transgenderism (including cross-dressing and sex changes). The state-funded Commission on Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender Youth includes leaders who are transsexuals.

Public health

• The Commissioner of the Massachusetts Department of Public Health is “married” to another man. In 2007 he told a crowd of kids at a state-sponsored youth event that it’s “wonderful being gay” and he wants to make sure there’s enough HIV testing available for all of them.

• Since homosexual marriage became “legal” the rates of HIV / AIDS have gone up considerably in Massachusetts. This year public funding to deal with HIV/AIDS has risen by $500,000. As the homosexual lobby group MassEquality wrote to their supporters after successfully persuading the Legislature to spend that money: "With the rate of HIV infections rising dramatically in Massachusetts, it's clear the fight against AIDS is far from over."

• Citing “the right to marry” as one of the “important challenges” in a place where “it’s a great time to be gay”, the Massachusetts Department of Public Health helped produce The Little Black Book, Queer in the 21st Century, a hideous work of obscene pornography which was given to kids at Brookline High School on April 30, 2005. Among other things, it gives “tips” to boys on how to perform oral sex on other males, masturbate other males, and how to “safely” have someone urinate on you for sexual pleasure. It also included a directory of bars in Boston where young men meet for anonymous sex.
"To find out who your real rulers are, simply look to those whom you CANNOT criticize..."

#3276716 - 06/27/13 07:53 AM Re: Why I support gay rights [Re: DirtyBear0311]
6 Point

Registered: 08/24/02
Posts: 555
Loc: signal mt tennessee

I say let them get married. Since the divorce rate is 50%, once they split up and have to lose half their stuff to their partner they might rethink the decision. I've adopted both of my children so I don't agree with the comment about having to bear your own children. There are too many children in the world without parents, too many children with sorry no-good parents, and just because you have the ability to produce kids doesn't make you good parents ( 16 and pregnant tv show). A child with gay parents is still better than a child with no parents. And as Danial Tosh says ( "why worry about it. It's not like God is gonna let them into heaven anyway").
If you hunt with your kids, you won't have to hunt your kids.

#3276732 - 06/27/13 08:03 AM Re: Why I support gay rights [Re: laserman]
Bottom Hunter
16 Point

Registered: 12/29/06
Posts: 16322
Loc: Hatchie Bottoms

Solely a religious issue and the need that certain religions have to control others. It's more about power and control than anything else.

There are some people who always seem angry and continuously look for conflict.

Walk away; the battle they are fighting is not with you, but with themselves.

#3276736 - 06/27/13 08:07 AM Re: Why I support gay rights [Re: Bottom Hunter]
Crappie Luck Moderator

Registered: 01/29/03
Posts: 62020
Loc: Smith Co.

Transgender first-grader wins the right to use girls' restroom

(CNN) -- A transgender first-grader who was born a boy but identifies as a girl has won the right to use the girls' restroom at her Colorado school.

The Colorado Rights Division ruled in favor of Coy Mathis in her fight against the Fountain-Fort Carson School District.

Coy's parents had taken her case to the commission after the district said she could no longer use the girls' bathroom at Eagleside Elementary. In issuing its decision, the state's rights division said keeping the ban in place "creates an environment that is objectively and subjectively hostile, intimidating or offensive."

The Transgender Legal Defense & Education Fund praised the ruling that was filled under Colorado's Anti-Discrimination Act. Michael Silverman, the group's executive director, called the ruling "a high-water mark for transgender rights."

This is the first of it's kind ruling in the country regarding the rights of transgender students. No court, no tribunal has ever said what the Colorado Division of Civil Rights has said today which is that trangendered students must be treated equally. They specifically referenced the outmoded concept of separate but equal and told us that separate but equal is very rarely equal and it is certainly not equal in Coy's case.
"To find out who your real rulers are, simply look to those whom you CANNOT criticize..."

#3276742 - 06/27/13 08:12 AM Re: Why I support gay rights [Re: Bottom Hunter]
Eric Kilby
10 Point

Registered: 04/06/06
Posts: 3989
Loc: Tellico Plains

It was Adam and eve not Adam and steve ...
Right here in the forest i will find true happiness, the happiness that will not be contaminated by the mind of man.

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