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#3276940 - 06/27/13 11:39 AM Re: Why I support gay rights [Re: Bottom Hunter]
Grizzly Johnson
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 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter
it seems like many Americans forgot where they live.....the home of the free.

Equality means that no one can refuse to bake a cake for a gay wedding just for the reason that they are gay, like they can not be allowed to not bake a cake for a black wedding or a muslim wedding because of their prejudices......that is discrimination.

If you walked in to a gay owned establishment to eat and they refused to serve you because they know you are anti-gay, would you be screaming discrimination? I would be.



Well if I owned a cake shop or business and it is my name on the business license.... it should be my decision as to who I serve based on my personal beliefs.... Loss of some business you say... well maybe so, but it is my choice and I have to deal with the income loss....

And based on my beliefs.... if I knew it was a gay owned establishment.... I wouldn't be in there anyway.
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#3276949 - 06/27/13 11:45 AM Re: Why I support gay rights [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
de novo
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 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter
it seems like many Americans forgot where they live.....the home of the free.

Equality means that no one can refuse to bake a cake for a gay wedding just for the reason that they are gay, like they can not be allowed to not bake a cake for a black wedding or a muslim wedding because of their prejudices......that is discrimination.


Hopefully, you see the hypocrisy of your post. Land of the free unless you are a cake maker?

So in your free Amerika it's OK to force Americans to engage in an act they do not approve or condone. Where is your freedom rant when the government forces every citizen to buy health insurance?

Actually, freedom means you can bake anything you want for anyone you want. Or you can freely choose to not bake anything.
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#3276955 - 06/27/13 11:54 AM Re: Why I support gay rights [Re: recurve60#]
Hangnail
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BH, I'm all for everyone getting screwed by the government at every turn with the same voracity and velocity. I can't wait for the blubbering when the gays start breaking up and it costs one of them half of everything they own. Welcome to the real world.

Honestly, there are untold numbers of issues that are more important to the country than gays being allowed to give up their freedom via marriage. I hope when the gayness of America starts costing us money, you'll be the first to acknowledge it. And trust me, at some point it will be a taxpayer issue.

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#3276956 - 06/27/13 11:56 AM Re: Why I support gay rights [Re: MUP]
Rebel
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 Originally Posted By: MUP
 Originally Posted By: Kimber45
 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter
 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
 Originally Posted By: laserman
What happened the Christian motto " to forgive"?


Forgive? You're not asking us to forgive. You are asking us to change our views, reject that it's sin in the first place and the celebrate their choices.

Stone them? Seriously? We're have an adult conversation with opposing views on a matter and since we don't agree that un-defining Marriage" to mean ANYTHING a person wants, you suggest we line up and STONE them?

That's the ridiculous type demagoguing of issues that ends serious debate.

"If you don't agree with me then you eat babies and run over grandmas"



No one is asking you to change your view. All they want is for you to allow them to live their life as they see fit. Why do people think that others need THEIR APPROVAL to live their own life..?

I do not understand the selfish concept....?


Because WE are ALL responsible for a part of the direction of this country and if WE allow it to be operated totally without morality - it is doomed (including again, our grand-children, our great grand children etc..)


After reading this thread and the many responses, I have but one thing left to add....this, that I truly believe that some of us see the ever increasing decline of our nation, and the root causes of it, and want to fight it to the very end in an attempt to save the "country" we grew up with and that of our Fathers. While others, seem to have the "live and let live"...regardless of if it destroys everything this nation was built upon. It doesn't take much over an elementary education to figure this out imo. There is still one side or the other to stand on, and we've declared which side we will stand on...all of us, either by action, or inaction. Good day.


Amen MUP. Those who don't stand for anything will fall for every thing.
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#3276969 - 06/27/13 12:07 PM Re: Why I support gay rights [Re: Bottom Hunter]
Pic IN the Casa
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 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter
it seems like many Americans forgot where they live.....the home of the free.

Next they will be telling people who they can fall in love with and even associate with.

Equality means that no one can refuse to bake a cake for a gay wedding just for the reason that they are gay, like they can not be allowed to not bake a cake for a black wedding or a muslim wedding because of their prejudices......that is discrimination.

If you walked in to a gay owned establishment to eat and they refused to serve you because they know you are anti-gay, would you be screaming discrimination? I would be.

All people want is equal rights. You believe that they are throwing up in your face simply because you do not believe in it....

What do you think non-religious people or even religious people that are not christians think about the amount of christ based material everywhere......? Do you think that christians are too dominate in today's society? I have not seen anywhere that Bibles were being burned or churches being torn down.....Chrisitanity is not in trouble, imo.

Just allow others to enjoy life here on this planet for the short time they are here and we will all get along....marriage just happens to be something that they feel like they are entitled to do.....I have no issue with it .

Oh and just so that you know......more than half of heterosexual marriages end in divorce.....seems like those wanting to keep the sanctity of marriage has little problem destroying it on a daily basis....

thanks



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#3276974 - 06/27/13 12:11 PM Re: Why I support gay rights [Re: de novo]
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Two things here.

I do not care what others do in their PRIVATE lives but at the same time I do not want them to push it in my face.

The question here is marriage. What is marriage?? But more to the point what is LEGAL marriage??? Isn't this what they wanted, legal marriage? Some people think it will not affect them but it will in Social Security, health care and other things where "legal marriage" comes into play with the numbers. Doesn't mater if you are gay or not it WILL affect you down the road.

The other thing is if you open a business to the GENERAL POPULATION you cannot discriminate against them. If a gay couple wants to buy a wedding cake from your bake shop you CANNOT turn them down because they are gay. You can refuse them if they are not wearing shirt or shoes etc ( that s a health issue in your baking business) but not because they are gay.
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#3276982 - 06/27/13 12:21 PM Re: Why I support gay rights [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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 Originally Posted By: Grizzly Johnson
 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter
it seems like many Americans forgot where they live.....the home of the free.

Equality means that no one can refuse to bake a cake for a gay wedding just for the reason that they are gay, like they can not be allowed to not bake a cake for a black wedding or a muslim wedding because of their prejudices......that is discrimination.

If you walked in to a gay owned establishment to eat and they refused to serve you because they know you are anti-gay, would you be screaming discrimination? I would be.



Well if I owned a cake shop or business and it is my name on the business license.... it should be my decision as to who I serve based on my personal beliefs.... Loss of some business you say... well maybe so, but it is my choice and I have to deal with the income loss....

And based on my beliefs.... if I knew it was a gay owned establishment.... I wouldn't be in there anyway.


I think they should have to post a sign if they employ queers. That way I could choose not to eat there. I will not eat anywhere I know or suspect has a queer working there. I know I may not be able to spot all of them but I can usually pick them out.
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#3276992 - 06/27/13 12:32 PM Re: Why I support gay rights [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
MUP
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Speaking of the cake controversy...


Once again, Christianity is under attack by the Homosexual Lobby.

A Colorado baker made the dire mistake of refusing to supply his services for a homosexual "wedding" ceremony because of his religious beliefs.

Instead of just asking a different bakery, radical homosexual activists are using the government to force this small business to comply.

And the liberal ACLU is holding nothing back in attacking Jack Phillips, owner of Masterpiece Cakeshop, simply for exercising his rights as a private business owner.

Under Colorado's version of the Gay Bill of Special Rights, there is nothing that provides religious protections for private businesses.

Now the Colorado Attorney General has filed a complaint against Mr. Phillips which could cost him thousands of dollars in fines and even jail time!

Time and time again, we see radical homosexual activists attacking Christian business owners.

And if they don't get what they want, they threaten legal action with potentially thousands of dollars in fines.

It's clear now more than ever; the Homosexual Lobby is working to punish each and every Christian business owner who doesn't submit to their lifestyle.

Stephen , making an individual choose between their wallets and their religious beliefs is just plain wrong and intolerable.

But that's a choice same-sex "marriage" is forcing on those who have traditional pro-Family values.

The radical homosexuals and liberal bureaucrats are attempting to make examples of small business owners like Mr. Phillips and anyone else who believes in Christian morals.

These lawsuits have been happening across the nation in liberal states with Gay Bill of Special Rights laws.

Last year, New Mexico fined the local owners of a photography studio $7,000 for refusing to provide their services to a lesbian couple.

Stories like these are happening everywhere.

That is why you and I must stop the Gay Bill of Special Rights from becoming federal law.

If the Gay Bill of Special Rights were to become law, federal officials would raid and fine small businesses across the country for daring to stand up for their moral values.
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#3276993 - 06/27/13 12:34 PM Re: Why I support gay rights [Re: Kimber45]
Brisco Darlin
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 Originally Posted By: Kimber45
With ALL due respect - the stupidest thing I've read in a while!

At the beginning, middle and end of the day - you can babble on justifying most anything up to taking lives if you talk enough however.....

Right is RIGHT

Wrong is WRONG

People of the same sex being married is WRONG!
best post by far.
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#3277007 - 06/27/13 12:51 PM Re: Why I support gay rights [Re: Brisco Darlin]
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I don't directly support gay rights, but, as long as it is done within the constraints of the law, I do support the right for everyone to choose how to live their lives.

God put us here as free moral agents and it's up to each of us to decide if and how we obey Him. History has repeatedly shown us we can only go so far in legislating morality without oppressing the people.
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