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#3275010 - 06/24/13 09:32 PM Corker and open borders........
ChippewaPartners
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This guy is really a piece of work. Co-sponsor of the border surge amendment, Sen. Corker admitted it does little to help interior security. Border security is not a precondition. It's the most basic, ongoing duty of government and it remains the biggest failure of our government.
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#3275212 - 06/25/13 09:03 AM Re: Corker and open borders........ [Re: ChippewaPartners]
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The "Corker" Amendment is every bit as destructive as any legislation put forward in the last 30 years. It's disgusting to hear Corker and McCain's reelection ads and the get-tough lies they spewed on illegal immigration in their campaigns.
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#3275230 - 06/25/13 09:26 AM Re: Corker and open borders........ [Re: de novo]
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Forget the "Democrats want the votes, Republicans want the cheap labor" line. It's an over simplification and a distraction.

BOTH parties want a majority of dependent, controllable citizens and a colonization of America with a people that do not have a long history of independence, gun owning and initiative.

A passive American majority what will absorb and tolerate a "top down" govt rather than active and engaged electorate that knows and cherishes a Constitutional liberty.

It's not about votes or cheap labor. It's about a populous that is apathetic and accustomed to corrupt leadership and a Socialist structure.

BOTH parties want to dilute the power of the people. What easier way than to import poverty and illiteracy from a 3rd world country.
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#3275237 - 06/25/13 09:35 AM Re: Corker and open borders........ [Re: Crappie Luck]
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Another lie is "They are hard working people just coming here for a better life".

The vast majority of them on welfare and food stamps IMMEDIATELY. They are coming here for a better life, but at YOUR expense. Their culture is one of apathy, siesta and minimalism.

I'm not trying to insult and it's not about race. it's about culture. Advancements in Technology, medicine and or energy are not coming out of Mexico. They are not leading the world in entrepreneurship or business.

Less than 3% of the illegals are working farm or agriculture. The vast majority are on Tax payer funded vacations.

We're not importing the best and brightest. We are importing the lazy, illiterate and criminal.

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#3275240 - 06/25/13 09:41 AM Re: Corker and open borders........ [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
Forget the "Democrats want the votes, Republicans want the cheap labor" line. It's an over simplification and a distraction.

BOTH parties want a majority of dependent, controllable citizens and a colonization of America with a people that do not have a long history of independence, gun owning and initiative.

A passive American majority what will absorb and tolerate a "top down" govt rather than active and engaged electorate that knows and cherishes a Constitutional liberty.

It's not about votes or cheap labor. It's about a populous that is apathetic and accustomed to corrupt leadership and a Socialist structure.

BOTH parties want to dilute the power of the people. What easier way than to import poverty and illiteracy from a 3rd world country.




I honestly believe the intention of the Democrats and RINO pubs is to get a huge influx of people that will then be made voting citizens (I mean - how can you have taxation without representation, right?)

The Dems got scared in 2010 with the Tea Party - SO DID THE RINOS. They are in concert together in order to dilute the patriot voice. In fact, BOTH parties want to radically change the electorate - and keep it dumb and beholden to the gov't teet.

We are currently in a state of tyranny, our country is gone - the great experiment failed.
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#3275248 - 06/25/13 09:46 AM Re: Corker and open borders........ [Re: Crappie Luck]
preds1
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http://youtu.be/82Yf9ekJwT8

I've already e-mailed his office regarding this topic.

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#3275253 - 06/25/13 09:48 AM Re: Corker and open borders........ [Re: TennesseeRains]
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#3275255 - 06/25/13 09:50 AM Re: Corker and open borders........ [Re: TennesseeRains]
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 Originally Posted By: TennesseeRains

We are currently in a state of tyranny, our country is gone - the great experiment failed.


Our Government did exactly what the founders said they would do. It was the people who failed. Ironically, many blame the very Constitution we were given to keep control of the Government.

I guess we're a lot like the "Won" in that respect. We blame others for our own failures. Our elected officials are a reflection of the mood and intelligence of the electorate. If they are marxist, that means our majority is as well. If they are dumb, so are we, if they are evil so are we, etc.....
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#3275258 - 06/25/13 09:54 AM Re: Corker and open borders........ [Re: preds1]
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 Originally Posted By: preds1
http://youtu.be/82Yf9ekJwT8

I've already e-mailed his office regarding this topic.



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#3275401 - 06/25/13 12:59 PM Re: Corker and open borders........ [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
 Originally Posted By: TennesseeRains

We are currently in a state of tyranny, our country is gone - the great experiment failed.


Our Government did exactly what the founders said they would do. It was the people who failed. Ironically, many blame the very Constitution we were given to keep control of the Government.

I guess we're a lot like the "Won" in that respect. We blame others for our own failures. Our elected officials are a reflection of the mood and intelligence of the electorate. If they are marxist, that means our majority is as well. If they are dumb, so are we, if they are evil so are we, etc.....

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#3275431 - 06/25/13 01:45 PM Re: Corker and open borders........ [Re: Bambi Buster]
JeepKuntry
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I just sent an email to his office. I know it's not much, but more people need to let the officials know when we're upset. I'm sure he knows by my response that I won't support him or vote for him.
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#3275469 - 06/25/13 02:51 PM Re: Corker and open borders........ [Re: ChippewaPartners]
Wes Parrish
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 Originally Posted By: ChippewaPartners
Border security is not a precondition. It's the most basic, ongoing duty of government and it remains the biggest failure of our government.

x 2

Actually, our federal government is failing us so badly on so many fronts, it's hard to decipher just which is the biggest failure.

But a lack of border security has contributed greatly to many of our other national problems such as over-crowded prisons, soaring healthcare costs, and the national debt. That said, we currently have a bigger problem with the illegals who have already crossed our borders and face little consequence. Actually, they're facing the reward of amnesty, which is now a huge magnet for more illegals to cross the border, once in the interior, they're a protected class.

More border patrol agents will do nothing so long as existing laws are not uniformly enforced, and the respect for our rule of law is plummeting in large part because of selective enforcement that's politically motivated.

As congress discusses the details of amnesty, how many million more illegals will cross our borders and get in the line?

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#3275474 - 06/25/13 02:56 PM Re: Corker and open borders........ [Re: Wes Parrish]
Wes Parrish
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What happens to our country when most people lose all respect for the "rule of law" that is no longer?
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#3275475 - 06/25/13 02:59 PM Re: Corker and open borders........ [Re: Wes Parrish]
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As with any plumbing leak, you first have to stop the flow before you can clean up the mess.

Why oh why then don't we secure the border before we start trying to legalize anybody that's already here??? I'll tell you why; the lying scumbags in Washington have no intention of solving the problem!
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#3275523 - 06/25/13 04:10 PM Re: Corker and open borders........ [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
What happens to our country when most people lose all respect for the "rule of law" that is no longer?


I'm afraid we're getting ready to find out.
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#3275546 - 06/25/13 04:43 PM Re: Corker and open borders........ [Re: AndyW]
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We have to find some true conservative candidates to run against Corker and Alexander. They are nothing but RINOs. 90s Democrats. Totally worthless.
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#3275555 - 06/25/13 04:57 PM Re: Corker and open borders........ [Re: farmin68]
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Conservatives have to band together during the PRIMARY. NOT the election.

But the last decade, we've shot ourselves in the foot during the primary by nit picking the best candidates, knocking them out of the races and allowing the media and democrats decide our candidate.

Beat them in the Primary and stop whittling down the candidates to the RINO that the dems say scares them the most.
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#3275892 - 06/26/13 06:50 AM Re: Corker and open borders........ [Re: Crappie Luck]
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Conservatives have to band together during the PRIMARY. NOT the election.

But the last decade, we've shot ourselves in the foot during the primary by nit picking the best candidates, knocking them out of the races and allowing the media and democrats decide our candidate.

Beat them in the Primary and stop whittling down the candidates to the RINO that the dems say scares them the most.


Exactly! We have to stop running around trying to stamp out all the fires the progressives set and instead go after the arsonists. Start locally and work our way up. Get good people elected who will resist and fight for limited government.
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#3275902 - 06/26/13 07:23 AM Re: Corker and open borders........ [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
Conservatives have to band together during the PRIMARY. NOT the election.

But the last decade, we've shot ourselves in the foot during the primary by nit picking the best candidates, knocking them out of the races and allowing the media and democrats decide our candidate.

Beat them in the Primary and stop whittling down the candidates to the RINO that the dems say scares them the most.




The only problem is that our state legislature is in the process of taking our right to choose a candidate in a primary. If I'm not mistaken, the TN State Legislature will vote next spring to allow State Representatives to "select" the candidates to run in the General Election for US Senate. Basically our state reps will be chosing whom will run for US Senate in the general election. If they pass this we ARE screwed. Sponsored by Frank Nicely if I'm not mistaken.
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#3275906 - 06/26/13 07:41 AM Re: Corker and open borders........ [Re: The_Utility_Dude]
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Not if we elected conservatives at the state and local level as Fishboy mentioned.

We can't elect liberal city council, liberal representatives, liberal school boards and liberal Governors and then a conservative Senator or two and expect the problem to be fixed.

Why is "Community organizers" successful? Because they start at the bottom, infest the entire structure all the way to the top. They build a foundation and get people involved. It is a VERY organized effort.

Conservatives expect to win an election or two and make it all "OK". It doesn't work like that.

Until people get mad enough to repeat 2010 across the spectrum, expect disappointment when it counts.

If we could revoke the 17th amendment, Senators would/should be appointed by the state legislature to begin with. Their job is the be the voice of the state, not the people. That is what the house of representatives is for.
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#3276098 - 06/26/13 11:43 AM Re: Corker and open borders........ [Re: Crappie Luck]
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/...e-Talking-About


Wow, now Corker is pleading ignorance on his repackaged immigration bill. Appears as though Las Vegas gets a nice prize courtesy of the bill/
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#3276105 - 06/26/13 11:55 AM Re: Corker and open borders........ [Re: de novo]
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Corker just wants his name on an amendment to "Historic" legislation.

He hasn't read the 2100 pages that he attached his 100 page amendment to.

It's all historic and stuff and his financial backers tell him to get some skin in the game - do something...anything.
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#3276819 - 06/27/13 09:37 AM Re: Corker and open borders........ [Re: Crappie Luck]
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The below link very specifically outlines why we should not trust the promises of politicians on securing our borders. They need to "JUST DO IT", then talk about it!

http://cis.org/Announcements/failed-promises-immigration-enforcement-timeline

We do not need any new laws or amendments to enforce existing law which has been the law for over 200 years! We become bigger fools when we believe another law that's not going to be enforced will change anything.

Here is but one highlight from a long list of those broken promises:

1986 – Congress passed the Immigration Reform and Control Act, which for the first time prohibited the employment of illegal aliens. This was part of a package that included amnesty for long-term illegal aliens who passed criminal checks, paid fees, and took classes on English language and U.S. civics and history. The promised enforcement started weakly and petered out. It got so bad than in 2004, only 3 employers in the entire nation were fined for hiring illegal aliens. An estimated 7-8 million illegal immigrants continue to hold jobs. And by the way, this bill passed congress only because of the PROMISE of securing our borders, so we would never have this problem again.

A new amendment, a new law stating our borders are to be secure changes nothing.

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#3276918 - 06/27/13 11:16 AM Re: Corker and open borders........ [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
The below link very specifically outlines why we should not trust the promises of politicians on securing our borders. They need to "JUST DO IT", then talk about it!

http://cis.org/Announcements/failed-promises-immigration-enforcement-timeline

We do not need any new laws or amendments to enforce existing law which has been the law for over 200 years! We become bigger fools when we believe another law that's not going to be enforced will change anything.

Here is but one highlight from a long list of those broken promises:

1986 – Congress passed the Immigration Reform and Control Act, which for the first time prohibited the employment of illegal aliens. This was part of a package that included amnesty for long-term illegal aliens who passed criminal checks, paid fees, and took classes on English language and U.S. civics and history. The promised enforcement started weakly and petered out. It got so bad than in 2004, only 3 employers in the entire nation were fined for hiring illegal aliens. An estimated 7-8 million illegal immigrants continue to hold jobs. And by the way, this bill passed congress only because of the PROMISE of securing our borders, so we would never have this problem again.

A new amendment, a new law stating our borders are to be secure changes nothing.


Great post! Every Republican in Congress should be spewing this at every interview. Congress solved illegal immigration 27 years ago!
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#3276928 - 06/27/13 11:23 AM Re: Corker and open borders........ [Re: de novo]
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About all any new laws and new amendments are accomplishing is the diluting of what little respect remains for our "rule of law".

Sheriff Joe said earlier today all the current border talk is mainly just to divert scrutiny of the amnesty plan:
http://video.foxnews.com/v/2513171122001/how-would-sheriff-joe-arpaio-secure-the-border/

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#3277538 - 06/28/13 06:38 AM Re: Corker and open borders........ [Re: Wes Parrish]
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Senator Jeff Sessions, the chief opponent of the immigration bill, released this statement in response to the Senate passing the law by a vote of 68-32:

"There will be no border fence, no border surge, nothing but the same tired illusory promises of future enforcement that will never occur. Americans have begged and pleaded time and again for Congress to end the lawlessness. But this amnesty-first bill is a surrender to lawlessness. As ICE and USCIS officers have warned, it will decimate immigration enforcement and erode the constitutional rule of law upon which our national greatness depends. And it remains unfair to the legal immigrants who put enormous time and expense into following the rules our nation has established.

"This legislation demonstrates that the governing body in Washington has become severed from the people it is supposed to represent. It is a broken promise 1,200 pages long. . . . . .


Read more of his comments at . . . . . . .
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/sessions-bill-must-never-become-law_738008.html

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