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#3271610 - 06/20/13 05:46 AM Re: Tennessee is doing it [Re: Wildcat]
Buzzard Breath
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 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
 Originally Posted By: Buzzard Breath
I'm going to go ahead and assume that I've missed the boat also. Must be a pretty small boat. But, in the case of the TN incident, wouldn't the tuition paying students be the ones in authority? Because, if this is such a rampant problem, I wouldn't think anyone would still be going there.


Here's the simple point, this is ALL it was, except for two people that made it into something totally different.


"In the other thread a kid got into trouble for wearing a NRA t-shirt. In Tennessee a college professor is forcing students to wear ribbons in support of gay rights no mater how they feel or think about the subject.

The people in "authority" were telling the kid he cannot wear a t-shirt about something he DOES believe in and in the other one the same "authority" is forcing the students to were something to support something they do NOT believe in. "

The whole point was one teacher was trying to FORCE a kid NOT to wear something he BELIEVED IN.

On the other end another "teacher" was FORCING the kids to were something they did NOT believe in.

That's all, nothing more.



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I now see where our difference of opinion is. I believe kids should be forced into doing things they don't want to. If we always let them do what they want, they would do nothing more than sit around the house watching cartoons and eating mac & cheese.

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#3271639 - 06/20/13 06:37 AM Re: Tennessee is doing it [Re: Wildcat]
Wobblyshot1
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It is my understanding that the teacher did not force the students to wear the gay rights symbol. The assignment was for extra credit only. The problem I see was that another news source reported that it was the only extra credit project that she offered.

After thinking about it for a while, why do you need extra credit? Study just a little harder, make the grade, and you won't need any extra credit.
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#3271673 - 06/20/13 07:37 AM Re: Tennessee is doing it [Re: Wobblyshot1]
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Once again, I need more info. if this was NOT mandatory, then I have no issue with it. If is WAS mandatory, then I do not agree with it. Even though, I never agreed with having to read certain books to obtain a grade in a certain course either...

I do think that if we only teach curriculum that everyone believes in or everyone wants to learn, then there's a lot of stuff that most of us wouldn't know right now...lol.

I wonder if the teacher has to follow a certain guideline/curriculum or if it's up to each individual teacher?

Gay Rights is a hot topic these days, much like the NRA.

Especially in this type of class, topics of the day may be what they are about, not like a biology or math class....

I didn't care much about communism but I had to learn about it in school......

I have no idea what the TRUE story is here. Certain news sources twist things around so much that it's hard to know the whole truth.

I will say this......I have no idea how this teacher could possibly enforce the rule to wear the ribbon all day when she only has the students for an hour that day. Most kids would simply take it off when they left the classroom. Instead of simply putting it on as you walked in the classroom and taking it off when you left, they make a big deal about it, and thusly we are sitting here debating legalities of something that happened in a classroom in a small community college in our great state. Ten years ago....neither this story or the NRA shirt story would have even been a story, imo.

If this was for extra credit, then shut up and just not do it. If is was mandatory to get a grade in the class, then drop the course, complain to the board of the school and threaten to leave the college. if they start losing students and their money because of this teacher, the school itself will take care of it......

we sure live in whiney times....

amazing.
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#3271703 - 06/20/13 08:19 AM Re: Tennessee is doing it [Re: Wobblyshot1]
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 Originally Posted By: Wobblyshot1
It is my understanding that the teacher did not force the students to wear the gay rights symbol. The assignment was for extra credit only. The problem I see was that another news source reported that it was the only extra credit project that she offered.
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Vary similar to the way the federal government "encourages" the states do adopt policies that it has no Constitutional authority to pressure states to do. We [the feds] will withhold federal highway funds if you don't make this law or we will give you x billion dollars (extra credit) if you implement Obamacare exchanges.

Imagine for a minute you are a college student and this "extra credit" that goes against what you believe in is the difference in a letter grade or pass and fail.

Now imagine what the result be if the teacher had given her students the extra credit assignment of wearing a cross, the NRA logo, or a white pride ribbon for the day.
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#3271743 - 06/20/13 08:57 AM Re: Tennessee is doing it [Re: de novo]
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It is my belief that if a certain extra credit is assigned that only a certain group of people believe in while another group of students have moral objections against that particular assignment, then another one should be offered that everyone can do. I recognize that catering to every students sense of morals would be difficult if the extra credit were to revolve around a certain social issue and some seminar about it or a statement like this ribbon thing. However, why cant some extra credit be offered that is about extra coursework like a few page essay or some other equally non-offensive thing? If ones sense or morals precludes them from partaking in a certain extra credit then it is not really available to them and I view that as discrimination.
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#3271769 - 06/20/13 09:19 AM Re: Tennessee is doing it [Re: Wobblyshot1]
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 Originally Posted By: Wobblyshot1
It is my understanding that the teacher did not force the students to wear the gay rights symbol. The assignment was for extra credit only. The problem I see was that another news source reported that it was the only extra credit project that she offered.

After thinking about it for a while, why do you need extra credit? Study just a little harder, make the grade, and you won't need any extra credit.


I will say beyond a Shadow of doubt that if this teacher, any teacher, is found to be offering xtra-credit to help push their own personal/political agenda - they should be removed from teaching. Ignorance of that nature is exactly why public school systems have the ridiculous curriculums they have to follow to a T, or so I'd guess anyhow.. due to numbskulls doing crap just like this \:\(
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#3271829 - 06/20/13 10:47 AM Re: Tennessee is doing it [Re: Kimber45]
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Extra credit is usually NOT under the curriculum guidelines.

What if a teacher could not come up with an extra credit assignment that everyone wanted to do ?

Does the teacher simply deny all the students an opportunity to get extra credit, expecially those that may need extra credit to pass the course?

If a student that has an A average wants to get extra credit just to boost his GPA , but he doesn't like any of the assignments, does the teacher have to deny everyone the right to get extra credit, even a student with a lower grade needing the extra credit.....

if you want the credit, do the assignment. if you don't like the assignment, don't do it....it is the students' choice.
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#3271836 - 06/20/13 10:54 AM Re: Tennessee is doing it [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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Extra credit just consists of something of a neutral, usually class specific, nature. Not how far left you can send your students, or how far right for that matter.
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#3271854 - 06/20/13 11:25 AM Re: Tennessee is doing it [Re: MUP]
Hangnail
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College instructors are not teachers. They're instructors or professors. Teachers are in K-12. One you pay to attend. One you have to attend by law.

If extra credit is offered to wear a pro-gay anything and you don't support the lifestyle, you have a choice to make. Wear it or don't.

The comparison has been made between the kid/t-shirt and this gay support issue. They couldn't be more different and have nothing in common, other than they both include personal choice and judgement. But then, so does deciding what to have for dinner.

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#3271920 - 06/20/13 12:33 PM Re: Tennessee is doing it [Re: Wildcat]
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 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
In Tennessee a college professor is forcing students to wear ribbons in support of gay rights no mater how they feel or think about the subject.


Gotta watch out for them gay rights people here in TN.
One of 'em ran out in front of me on the way to work this morning.


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