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#3270516 - 06/18/13 05:26 PM Humbled US makes concessions to Taliban
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The United States will begin formal talks with the Taliban, including the Haqqani network, in Doha, Qatar, in a couple of days, Obama administration officials said in a major announcement on Tuesday. The engagement, the first of its kind since the post 9/11 conflict, follows key concessions made by Washington, including dropping the pre-condition that Taliban immediately break ties with al-Qaida, in return for much broader, generic, self-serving commitments by the unyielding terrorist group.

In a conference call from Northern Ireland where President Obama is attending the G8 summit, US officials said they expected Taliban to issue a statement opposing the use of Afghan soil to threaten other countries (which implicitly meant not sheltering al-Qaida); and second, that they support an Afghan peace process.

As it turned out, the statement released by the Taliban was stunning in its implied rejection of even the minimum US demands and assertive in its own assumption of Afghan leadership and how it would achieve its objectives: "It is well known to all that the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan has been waging jihad to put an end to the occupation and form an independent Islamic system," it said, interposing itself in the Afghan leadership position and projecting the US,and not al-Qaida, as the problem.

It also said "The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan considerers it its religious and national duty to gain independence from the occupation and for that purpose has utilised every legitimate way and will utilise it in future too," while making no commitment or reference to the Afghan constitution, the current US-backed leadership in Kabul, or the rights of women and minorities.

Earlier US officials had already reeled back on their expectation. "We've long had a demand on the Taliban that they make a statement that distances themselves from the movement from international terrorism, but made clear that we didn't expect immediately for them to break ties with al-Qaida, because that's an outcome of the negotiation process," they said, explaining the concessions made to the nihilistic outfit, which, surprisingly, includes elements Washington has repeatedly described as, and officially designated as, a terrorist group - the Haqqani network.

US officials had also maintained that they had got enough and the "statement that we expect today is this first step in distancing them, distancing the movement from international terrorism" although they conceded "it's not as far as will demand them to go at the end of the process."

The negotiating group, which calls itself Taliban Political Commission, are the "fully authorized representatives of the movement, and authorized by Mullah Omar himself" administration officials said against the backdrop of Washington having been previously fooled by elements claiming to represent Taliban. "We don't know the exact makeup of the Taliban delegation, but we believe that it broadly represents, as authorized by Mullah Omar, the entire movement to include the Haqqanis," they added.

The officials were cautious about the outcome of what they said was a first step in what could be a complex, long, and messy dialogue. "I think we need to be realistic. This is a new development, a potentially significant development. But peace is not at hand," one official said.

In fact, officials said the first meeting is likely to be just an exchange of agendas rather than any substantive, detailed discussion. "We'll tell them what we want to talk about; they'll tell us what they want to talk about; and we'll both then adjourn and consult on next steps, and then have another meeting in a week or two later," they said. Among the things the US will want to talk about from the beginning is how Taliban going to cut ties with al-Qaida the group that attacked US on 9/11 and was sheltered by the Taliban "how quickly, exactly how they're going to do it, what it means."

Washington's dramatic outreach with the Pakistan-backed Taliban came even as US - and Nato-led international coalition handed over the lead on security to Afghan National Forces at a formal ceremony in Kabul, marking a milestone in the protracted conflict in the land-locked country. It also came on the eve of secretary of state John Kerry's visit next week to India (and Pakistan), where the latest developments will be part of the talks' agenda. Officials said Pakistan was supportive of the dialogue and had played a key role in bringing Taliban to the table.

They however implicitly maintained that despite the diminishing American military footprint, engaging Taliban did not mean Washington would abandon its core interests. It would continue to protect its equities Afghanistan.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world...ow/20653104.cms
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#3270520 - 06/18/13 05:29 PM Re: Humbled US makes concessions to Taliban [Re: Crappie Luck]
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I think the only people who fear the US govt. is it's own citizens.

We're a joke the rest of the world.
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#3270541 - 06/18/13 05:57 PM Re: Humbled US makes concessions to Taliban [Re: Crappie Luck]
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What US, that is a memory. This country has lost it's ranking as a world power.
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#3270560 - 06/18/13 06:22 PM Re: Humbled US makes concessions to Taliban [Re: Stalkhunter]
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Naaah YOu pubs just aren't smart like Bingo Odingo!

He is going to get all chatty with them, maybe "Like" them on face book. Go to retreats and share a dog, beat some women n stuff and trade phone numbers. Then he will have the NSA listen to their phone conversations n stuff like he does here in the US.....

Then if they are ever mean to us again, he can drone their cell phones!!!
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#3270566 - 06/18/13 06:34 PM Re: Humbled US makes concessions to Taliban [Re: fishboy1]
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"Domestic violence increases in Mid-East - Women and Children hardest hit"
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#3270594 - 06/18/13 07:08 PM Re: Humbled US makes concessions to Taliban [Re: Crappie Luck]
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I foresaw the coming of this day early in the evening of 9/11/01 while the ruins of the WTC and the Pentagon were still smoldering. I knew that the U.S lacked the guts to pursue the enemy with the unrelenting and merciless furor needed to eliminate the threat for all time. There was a window of opportunity about 6 months to a year long during which Bush II could have done what was needed and probably have gotten away with it. As I predicted that day, he chose instead to employ half-measures and gradual escalation. Had he had instead done it right, there would be no Taliban alive today to negotiate with.

For the sake of so many good Americans who have suffered and died in the years since, I do so wish I had been wrong in my prediction.
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#3270606 - 06/18/13 07:18 PM Re: Humbled US makes concessions to Taliban [Re: Bambi Buster]
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 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
As I predicted that day, he chose instead to employ half-measures and gradual escalation.


And gut the Bill of Rights with his Patriot Act. And forever make air travel a huge PITA with his TSA. And on and on and on.

Everything about the direction this country is headed in makes me want to puke.
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#3270647 - 06/18/13 07:57 PM Re: Humbled US makes concessions to Taliban [Re: AndyW]
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And in this evening's news, a little more American blood on Bush's and Obama's hands.

"...WASHINGTON (AP) Defense officials say four U.S. troops were killed Tuesday at or near Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan. Officials say the four were killed by indirect fire, likely a mortar or rocket, but they had no other details...."


http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20130618/US-US-Afghanistan/
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#3270702 - 06/18/13 08:42 PM Re: Humbled US makes concessions to Taliban [Re: Bambi Buster]
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The soldier in the linked video trailer lost his arms and legs in April 2012, over a decade after 9/11. It perfectly illustrates the reasons I detest both Bush II and Obama so intensely. This should have been over long, long ago. If we were going to surrender to Al-Qaeda anyway, as now appears inevitable, it would have been much better to have done so in 2001. The end result would have been the same, with far fewer casualties on our side.

See my signature line.

...Travis: A Soldier's Story is a documentary film of the inspiring true story of United States Army Sergeant Travis Mills of the 82nd Airborne. On his third tour of duty in Afghanistan, SSG Mills was critically injured on April 10, 2012 by an IED (improvised explosive device) while on patrol. Due to the explosion, SSG Mills lost portions of both legs and both arms. He is only the fifth quadruple amputee from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to survive his injuries....

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#3270710 - 06/18/13 08:52 PM Re: Humbled US makes concessions to Taliban [Re: Bambi Buster]
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I read a some of the comments below the story on The Blaze.

One guy said Taliban wants to have Peace talks with US. Yep, they want a PIECE of Kandahar, a PIECE of the opium trade, a PIECE of Karzai's fortune.
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#3270903 - 06/19/13 07:15 AM Re: Humbled US makes concessions to Taliban [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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Taliban celebrates victory:

Taliban Claim Killing of 4 US Troops


The Taliban has claimed responsibility for an attack that killed four U.S. troops in Afghanistan, hours after the U.S. announced it was opening formal talks with the insurgent group.

A Taliban spokesman said the group fired two rockets into the Bagram air base on Tuesday.

Earlier, the U.S. said direct negotiations with the Taliban will begin Thursday in Doha, the capital of the Persian Gulf country of Qatar, in a push to establish a framework for ending more than a decade of war in Afghanistan.

http://m.voanews.com/a/1684631.html
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#3270923 - 06/19/13 07:38 AM Re: Humbled US makes concessions to Taliban [Re: Crappie Luck]
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This is still developing. Karzai just said if there's any negotiating to be done with the Taliban, Afghanistan will do it not the USA.

We need to oblige that scrawny little bastard...
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