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#3259373 - 06/01/13 05:35 PM Permethrin Question
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Does anyone think it is dangerous to mix your own from the concentrate?
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#3259385 - 06/01/13 05:40 PM Re: Permethrin Question [Re: IRISH HUNTER]
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I know a guy thats been mixing his own for years. Sprays his dogs and his clothes.
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#3259387 - 06/01/13 05:43 PM Re: Permethrin Question [Re: SEC]
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As long as it is mixed to a reasonable concentration, I can't see the danger.
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#3259400 - 06/01/13 05:52 PM Re: Permethrin Question [Re: scn]
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I have been doing it for years. I see it as no different than the commercially prepared mixes.
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#3259595 - 06/01/13 11:29 PM Re: Permethrin Question [Re: stik]
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Stik put me on to it.Thanks.

I mix 1/2 ounce to 2 ounces of water.No ticks and im sure i have gotten a little on my skin and it hasnt fallen off yet.

Bout 7$ for a small bottle at Tractor Supply.
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#3259640 - 06/02/13 06:54 AM Re: Permethrin Question [Re: Mr.Bro]
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When done sensibly, no.
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#3259922 - 06/02/13 04:17 PM Re: Permethrin Question [Re: Andy S.]
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I mixed my own this year after recommendations from TnDeer members.

Here are my notes:
Permethrin-10, TractorSupply.
15 oz of Water to 1 oz of 10% petmethrin give you concentration of .625

This is the product I purchased at TSC.

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#3260157 - 06/02/13 09:07 PM Re: Permethrin Question [Re: plinker22]
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15:1 Worked for me over the past couple years and I havent started pulling to the right yet!

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#3260472 - 06/03/13 10:50 AM Re: Permethrin Question [Re: stik]
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 Originally Posted By: stik
I have been doing it for years. I see it as no different than the commercially prepared mixes.


stik also turned me onto it with one of his posts a couple years or so ago. I mix my own now, and save $$$ in the process.
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#3260482 - 06/03/13 11:02 AM Re: Permethrin Question [Re: plinker22]
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 Originally Posted By: plinker22
I mixed my own this year after recommendations from TnDeer members.

Here are my notes:
Permethrin-10, TractorSupply.
15 oz of Water to 1 oz of 10% petmethrin give you concentration of .625

This is the product I purchased at TSC.



What is the cost of this??
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#3260496 - 06/03/13 11:22 AM Re: Permethrin Question [Re: Roost 1]
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 Originally Posted By: Roost 1
What is the cost of this??
~$7-8 at my local Tractor Supply.
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#3260533 - 06/03/13 12:01 PM Re: Permethrin Question [Re: Andy S.]
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Dang... I am going to have to try this.
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#3260551 - 06/03/13 12:39 PM Re: Permethrin Question [Re: Roost 1]
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I mix my own too.. same concentration. It certainly works! There have been times where I have still pulled a tick off.. maybe I use too much water but I know it still works well. Without it I usually pull several ticks off!
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#3260554 - 06/03/13 12:45 PM Re: Permethrin Question [Re: BirdDog123]
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I have watched ticks actually fall off my pants before when using this stuff, and, have found them dead in the creases of my pant legs that were tucked into my boots.
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#3261041 - 06/04/13 04:46 AM Re: Permethrin Question [Re: MUP]
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 Originally Posted By: MUP
I have watched ticks actually fall off my pants before when using this stuff, and, have found them dead in the creases of my pant legs that were tucked into my boots.


I have actually put ticks on my pants legs to watch them curl up and die. suffer you little bastages!!!
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#3261070 - 06/04/13 05:57 AM Re: Permethrin Question [Re: stik]
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\:D \:D \:D
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#3261113 - 06/04/13 07:39 AM Re: Permethrin Question [Re: stik]
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 Originally Posted By: stik
I have actually put ticks on my pants legs to watch them curl up and die. suffer you little bastages!!!


Boil that dust speck!!! \:D
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#3261116 - 06/04/13 07:46 AM Re: Permethrin Question [Re: BSK]
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Permethrin is considered the most "mammal friendly" insecticide available. Although there is some evidence it can be harmful, those studies used very high concentrations of the chemical (10% or more). So far, very little evidence 0.5% concentrations cause any harm.

Now I'm sure continuous exposure to any chemical that can kill insects has biological risks, I feel more comfortable being exposed to tiny amounts of permethrin than I do the massive chemical exposure DEET sprays produce. DEET sprayed on the skin is immediately absorbed right into the blood stream, where it is filtered by the kidneys. Honestly, that can't be good over the long term.
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#3261168 - 06/04/13 08:42 AM Re: Permethrin Question [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
Permethrin is considered the most "mammal friendly" insecticide available. Although there is some evidence it can be harmful, those studies used very high concentrations of the chemical (10% or more). So far, very little evidence 0.5% concentrations cause any harm.

Now I'm sure continuous exposure to any chemical that can kill insects has biological risks, I feel more comfortable being exposed to tiny amounts of permethrin than I do the massive chemical exposure DEET sprays produce. DEET sprayed on the skin is immediately absorbed right into the blood stream, where it is filtered by the kidneys. Honestly, that can't be good over the long term.



Or pro-longed exposure to ticks for sure! Don't like messin' with RM spotted fever, or Lyme Disease!
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#3261322 - 06/04/13 12:09 PM Re: Permethrin Question [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
Permethrin is considered the most "mammal friendly" insecticide available. Although there is some evidence it can be harmful, those studies used very high concentrations of the chemical (10% or more). So far, very little evidence 0.5% concentrations cause any harm.

Now I'm sure continuous exposure to any chemical that can kill insects has biological risks, I feel more comfortable being exposed to tiny amounts of permethrin than I do the massive chemical exposure DEET sprays produce. DEET sprayed on the skin is immediately absorbed right into the blood stream, where it is filtered by the kidneys. Honestly, that can't be good over the long term.


You are 100% correct that DEET can be bad news. That is why they market "family" insect repellants with lower concentrations of DEET more suitable for kids.

I have read that some Park Rangers in the Everglades had some pretty significant neurological damage from long-term use of 100% DEET while on the job.

I'll take my chances with permethrin sprayed on my clothes.
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#3261323 - 06/04/13 12:13 PM Re: Permethrin Question [Re: MUP]
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 Originally Posted By: MUP
 Originally Posted By: BSK
Permethrin is considered the most "mammal friendly" insecticide available. Although there is some evidence it can be harmful, those studies used very high concentrations of the chemical (10% or more). So far, very little evidence 0.5% concentrations cause any harm.

Now I'm sure continuous exposure to any chemical that can kill insects has biological risks, I feel more comfortable being exposed to tiny amounts of permethrin than I do the massive chemical exposure DEET sprays produce. DEET sprayed on the skin is immediately absorbed right into the blood stream, where it is filtered by the kidneys. Honestly, that can't be good over the long term.



Or pro-longed exposure to ticks for sure! Don't like messin' with RM spotted fever, or Lyme Disease!


I lost a very close friend to RMSF many years ago. It is not an easy way to go. I have a friend right now dealing with the Lymes issues. He has spent many days the past year in the hospital being hooked up to IV antibiotics. While he is showing some signs of getting better, I don't think he considers himself out of the woods yet with his health issues.

Permanone is a lot cheaper than dealing with either of those diseases.
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#3261835 - 06/05/13 07:52 AM Re: Permethrin Question [Re: scn]
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I realize I'm probably doing some genetic damage to myself by prolonged exposure to insecticides, but already having gone through one tick-borne disease, I don't plan on having another.

Kind of a Catch 22 isn't it?
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#3261985 - 06/05/13 12:02 PM Re: Permethrin Question [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
I realize I'm probably doing some genetic damage to myself by prolonged exposure to insecticides, but already having gone through one tick-borne disease, I don't plan on having another.

Kind of a Catch 22 isn't it?


There certainly isn't an easy answer to that deal. The tick-borne diseases are life threatening, so you have to do what you can to keep them away. And, with the West Nile from the skeeters, you have to keep them at bay as well.

My first line of defense will continue to be the permithrin. There are some companies out there with some shirts and hats that have it built in that seem to work. My guess is that they are clothing that is dipped in the solution like the Army does some of theirs.

But, unfortunately, there is still a need for the deet on exposed skin. I'm a lot better about washing it off as soon as I'm inside than I used to be.
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#3262009 - 06/05/13 12:41 PM Re: Permethrin Question [Re: scn]
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 Originally Posted By: scn
My first line of defense will continue to be the permithrin. There are some companies out there with some shirts and hats that have it built in that seem to work.

x 2
And I purchased one of those shirts and some gloves made of that material. Best thing I can say about the shirt is it's a very lightweight shirt, nice on a hot day turkey or squirrel hunting. But it's effectiveness in preventing mosquito and tick bites has been disappointing, although it does work to some degree.

I also mix up a little stronger concentration of permethrin of use on my snake boots, as the outside of my boots doesn't come in contact with my skin. I think most of the time, our boots and lower legs are the first places ticks get on us, then they start crawling upward.

In addition to doing a good job spraying your shirt collars, be sure to open up any folded shirt collars and spray under the collars, as this may be your last line of defense before a tick gets in your hair.

 Originally Posted By: scn
But, unfortunately, there is still a need for the deet on exposed skin.

Very true, in the case of mosquitoes.
But if mosquitoes aren't much a problem, I usually just go with the permethrin pre-soaked in my clothing.

But best thing I've found for really bad mosquitoes is thicker clothing and a headnet.

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#3262018 - 06/05/13 12:58 PM Re: Permethrin Question [Re: Wes Parrish]
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I remember someone posting here that putting a dryer sheet underneath your hat/cap would deter the skeeters. I tried it and it seems to work, keeping them away from my growing bald spot that they seem to target thru any cap I may be wearing. \:\/
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#3262515 - 06/06/13 12:19 AM Re: Permethrin Question [Re: MUP]
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#3262627 - 06/06/13 08:28 AM Re: Permethrin Question [Re: MUP]
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 Originally Posted By: MUP
...keeping them away from my growing bald spot that they seem to target thru any cap I may be wearing. \:\/


Amazing how quick they find the bald spot, isn't it?! ;\)
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#3262658 - 06/06/13 09:08 AM Re: Permethrin Question [Re: BSK]
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15:1 seems to be a pretty often used ratio,from what I have been reading,so that is what I am going to mix mine up at today.
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#3262748 - 06/06/13 11:16 AM Re: Permethrin Question [Re: fourwheeler431]
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It works wonders, last year I just bought the stuff in a spray can and followed the directions and most bugs left me alone. I was getting attacked by bee's like everytime I went in the woods and it even helped on that also. IIRC, it wasn't too expensive at all and it treated all of my hunting clothes.
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#3262793 - 06/06/13 12:16 PM Re: Permethrin Question [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: MUP
...keeping them away from my growing bald spot that they seem to target thru any cap I may be wearing. \:\/


Amazing how quick they find the bald spot, isn't it?! ;\)


And HOW!
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#3263029 - 06/06/13 04:24 PM Re: Permethrin Question [Re: Mr.Bro]
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 Originally Posted By: Mr.Bro
Stik put me on to it.Thanks.

I mix 1/2 ounce to 2 ounces of water.No ticks and im sure i have gotten a little on my skin and it hasnt fallen off yet.

Bout 7$ for a small bottle at Tractor Supply.
This seems awfully strong to me, what is the original concentration of the perm?
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#3263051 - 06/06/13 05:18 PM Re: Permethrin Question [Re: Timber Ghost]
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Yes this is stronger than everyone else mixes.This is the mix someone else said the last time this topic was bought up.

Anybody know for sure how to mix it?

Am i mixing it to strong?
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#3263067 - 06/06/13 05:44 PM Re: Permethrin Question [Re: Mr.Bro]
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15 ounces of water to 1 ounce 10% permethrin.
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#3263214 - 06/06/13 11:16 PM Re: Permethrin Question [Re: Diehard Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Diehard Hunter
15 ounces of water to 1 ounce 10% permethrin.
x2, gives you a 0.625% permethrin solution, whereas Sawyers, Repel Permanone et al are 0.5% solution. You can always reduce your water by a few ounces if you want it a "little" stronger mixture, but I would not go less than 9 ounces of water, which equates to a 1% permethrin solution, thus twice as strong as Sawyers et al. Spray your clothes inside and out night before you plan to hunt so they'll dry and you'll be golden. When it comes to ticks, permethrin is your friend!
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#3263641 - 06/07/13 06:07 PM Re: Permethrin Question [Re: Andy S.]
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I have been using the Duranon brand, which has permthrin in it,for many years. It works wonders but it is getting hard to find and cost $7-$8 per can. I will be mixing my own now. Thanks guys for the heads up.
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#3263698 - 06/07/13 07:30 PM Re: Permethrin Question [Re: Roost 1]
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I have been doing the same as some guys for a long time I buy the 10 percent at co-op for $7 and mix 3-1/2 oz to an almost full 2 liter bottle and pour in a pump spray bottle.
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#3264238 - 06/08/13 10:23 PM Re: Permethrin Question [Re: Rockhound]
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Well i gave my extra strong mix a good work out yesterday and today.Spent a total of 6 hours and several miles walking.Believe it or not i still found 2 on me,one embedded.No seed ticks.Just big uns.

Figure 2 aint bad.I can remember days before repellants when 8-10 was about normal.
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#3264242 - 06/08/13 10:32 PM Re: Permethrin Question [Re: Mr.Bro]
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Where we were at today,the last time we had probably 30 on us,maybe more. Today with Permethrin I found 1!
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