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#3256264 - 05/28/13 08:15 AM KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state
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http://www.courier-journal.com/article/2...?nclick_check=1


Outdoor Magazine used what it calls a “whitetail scale” to sift the country’s top deer-producing states. The equation included trophy deer production, hunter density (seven per square mile in Kentucky), the cost of outfitting a guided hunt and hunter friendliness. Kentucky is ranked No. 1 and Indiana No. 3


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#3256345 - 05/28/13 10:45 AM Re: KY ranked as tope Trophy Whitetail state [Re: Poser]
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I would agree with KY being the top trophy destination in the country, all things considered (length of season, cost, hunter competition, etc.)
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#3256383 - 05/28/13 11:25 AM Re: KY ranked as tope Trophy Whitetail state [Re: BSK]
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I sure do enjoy hunting Kentucky every year!
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#3256453 - 05/28/13 01:08 PM Re: KY ranked as tope Trophy Whitetail state [Re: BigSatt]
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 Originally Posted By: BigSatt
I sure do enjoy hunting Kentucky every year!


Me Too!! This is my 17th year on the same 81 acres, and we were able to purchase it 5yrs ago. I love it.
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#3256576 - 05/28/13 05:57 PM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: Poser]
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Amazing what a one buck limit will do.

Come on TWRA, get 'er done!
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#3256589 - 05/28/13 06:23 PM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: Vermin93]
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go lease some ky property & then price some here,folks still will let a fellar hunt some,not so much in the Big Buck states,Im proud they have the title & the deer,I care nothing about fame ,just want to have a hunt thats enjoyable,no monsters here, look north lol
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#3256593 - 05/28/13 06:29 PM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: Vermin93]
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 Originally Posted By: Vermin93
Amazing what a one buck limit will do.

Come on TWRA, get 'er done!
If a one buck limit was all it took upper east Tennessee would be thick with trophy bucks!!!!!LOL.
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#3256601 - 05/28/13 06:40 PM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: Beekeeper]
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 Originally Posted By: Beekeeper
 Originally Posted By: Vermin93
Amazing what a one buck limit will do.

Come on TWRA, get 'er done!
If a one buck limit was all it took upper east Tennessee would be thick with trophy bucks!!!!!LOL.

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#3256617 - 05/28/13 07:34 PM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: mike243]
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I'd hate to have such a short rifle season and a 1 buck rule.That would suck major to shoot a buck on the opening of bow season and not have a chance at another during gun season.How depressing,and I don't care how big it is.
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#3256664 - 05/28/13 08:24 PM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: Vermin93]
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 Originally Posted By: Vermin93
Amazing what a one buck limit will do.

Come on TWRA, get 'er done!


LOL.
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#3256680 - 05/28/13 08:39 PM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: scn]
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KY is great hunting. I won't deny that. IMO the potential for a PY deer is significantly higher than TN. However, I think the ceiling or # of true top end deer (say 160 plus) is way below that of a lot of the rest of the mid west.

Example, I've been hunting Indiana for 2 years. All total I have hunted around 7 days. Ive killed a mid 140 and seen 2 bigger and passed 2 PY deer.

Hunting KY for 6 years I have not seen that many PY deer. Take it as anecdotal but it is my experience.

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#3256806 - 05/28/13 11:02 PM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: BowGuy84]
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Why does anyone need to shoot more than 1 buck a yr ? if we want to fill our freezers lay the does down,and hold off for that big mature buck when he comes sneakin threw trying to find a doe to court for a few days.
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#3256817 - 05/28/13 11:39 PM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: TENN.BOY]
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I think it has all to do with there one buck a season and their season in general. great for trophy hunters sucks for non trophy hunters. for me personally I love it I hunted it once and it was pretty amazing the amount of deer/ big deer at that. will hunt it soon again.
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#3256850 - 05/29/13 05:18 AM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: TENN.BOY]
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 Originally Posted By: TENN.BOY
Why does anyone need to shoot more than 1 buck a yr ? if we want to fill our freezers lay the does down,and hold off for that big mature buck when he comes sneakin threw trying to find a doe to court for a few days.
Why do you need a car that goes faster than 60mph? Why do you need a gun that can hold more than 7 rounds of ammunition??
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#3256866 - 05/29/13 05:46 AM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: TENN.BOY]
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 Originally Posted By: TENN.BOY
Why does anyone need to shoot more than 1 buck a yr ? if we want to fill our freezers lay the does down,and hold off for that big mature buck when he comes sneakin threw trying to find a doe to court for a few days.
It is not a question of NEED. There are a lot of people, me included , that WANT to be able to kill more bucks. Personally, I think the 3 buck limit is too few, it should be at least 4 and probably 5.


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#3256970 - 05/29/13 08:18 AM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: deerhunter10]
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 Originally Posted By: deerhunter10
I think it has all to do with there one buck a season and their season in general.


If that is the case, then why do TN hunters, year in and year out, kill more mature bucks per square mile than KY hunters?

I'm not saying KY's 1 buck limit is doing any harm, but it obviously isn't helping hunters kill more mature bucks.
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#3256971 - 05/29/13 08:19 AM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: BowGuy84]
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 Originally Posted By: BowGuy84
KY is great hunting. I won't deny that. IMO the potential for a PY deer is significantly higher than TN. However, I think the ceiling or # of true top end deer (say 160 plus) is way below that of a lot of the rest of the mid west.


If that is the case, why is KY now the #1 state in the nation for B&C entries?
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#3256972 - 05/29/13 08:21 AM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: TENN.BOY]
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 Originally Posted By: TENN.BOY
Why does anyone need to shoot more than 1 buck a yr ?


I just love it when someone else tells me what I SHOULD want or need from my hunting experience.


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if we want to fill our freezers lay the does down,and hold off for that big mature buck when he comes sneakin threw trying to find a doe to court for a few days.


If that's what you want, have at it.

In my area, shooting any more does would be disastrous, considering bucks now outnumber does almost 2:1.
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#3256984 - 05/29/13 08:29 AM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: TENN.BOY]
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 Originally Posted By: TENN.BOY
Why does anyone need to shoot more than 1 buck a yr ?


Why does anyone need to go hunting in the first place? You can buy meat at the store and antlers from deer farms.
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#3257233 - 05/29/13 02:16 PM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: Poser]
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KY is a good Trophy state with bigger deer per age class vs Tn and very likely a little better age structure as well! I think its funny how its now OK to constantly compare TN and KY data to prove points, when just a few yrs back when the Telecheck argument was on the table, it was touted to no end how useless KY data was and couldn't be trusted!!! LOL What changed???? Agendas??? ;\)
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#3257289 - 05/29/13 03:28 PM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: Poser]
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 Originally Posted By: Poser
 Originally Posted By: TENN.BOY
Why does anyone need to shoot more than 1 buck a yr ?


Why does anyone need to go hunting in the first place? You can buy meat at the store and antlers from deer farms.


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#3257506 - 05/29/13 08:29 PM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: Wes Parrish]
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Im not taking up for KY being top ranked state for trophy hunting , BSK it is not a matter of hunting mature bucks to the majority of hunters its about horn hunting to them,its how many people that kill 3 bucks a year and dont wait on a mature buck to walk by,but it is a free country guys shoot every little buck you want too and go to work on monday and brag about shooting a spike or a 3pnt. around the water cooler because that is your right to do so.Keep on keepin on CHOOT'EM CHOOT'EM
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#3257514 - 05/29/13 08:37 PM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
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KY is great hunting. I won't deny that. IMO the potential for a PY deer is significantly higher than TN. However, I think the ceiling or # of true top end deer (say 160 plus) is way below that of a lot of the rest of the mid west.


If that is the case, why is KY now the #1 state in the nation for B&C entries?


Again, anecdotal, but

1 a lot of short term book deer (160") in KY get entered where they don't in other states. Maybe a higher percentage of 170" deer as well.

2 KY allows centerfires...and in the rut (I attribute some of MO recent uprising to this as well). A lot of bucks are not able to be shot in other states due to distance restraints at bucks most valnerable time.

3 due to a higher percentage of rugged habitat that many midwest states, KY might produce more older age class bucks with 170" antlers, but still not the top end higher scoring bucks as states with more ag and better soils.

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#3257703 - 05/30/13 05:52 AM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: mike243]
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 Originally Posted By: mike243
go lease some ky property & then price some here,folks still will let a fellar hunt some,not so much in the Big Buck states,Im proud they have the title & the deer,I care nothing about fame ,just want to have a hunt thats enjoyable,no monsters here, look north lol
I have found that it is easier to find free land in KY to hunt. could be just my luck but I have got permission to hunt around 3000 acres all together for free just by knocking on doors. I can not find anything for free in TN.

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#3257766 - 05/30/13 07:44 AM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: Winchester]
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 Originally Posted By: Winchester
...it was touted to no end how useless KY data was and couldn't be trusted!!! LOL What changed???? Agendas??? ;\)


Two factors: 1) KY's data collection is better now than it used to be; and 2) previous concerns that the two states' different data collection methods produced incomparable data have been alleviated by comparison tests of the two systems (tests of data collected at processors (KY's main method) versus data collected at check stations (TN's main method) have found the two data collect methods produce comparable data).
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#3257776 - 05/30/13 08:02 AM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: BowGuy84]
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3 due to a higher percentage of rugged habitat that many midwest states, KY might produce more older age class bucks with 170" antlers, but still not the top end higher scoring bucks as states with more ag and better soils.


It's the age-old question BowGuy84: which is more important; what is in the herd or what is harvested? I have no data what-so-ever on how many 170+ or 200+ bucks there are per square mile in the agricultural Midwest versus KY, and there very well may be more in the Midwest, but more of those caliber bucks get harvested each year in KY. So which is more important, where more exist or where they are most harvestable? I would think trophy hunters would want to hunt where their odds are the highest--where those bucks are most harvestable (although I'm constantly amazed at how often trophy hunters will prefer two birds in the bush over one in the hand).

This whole question is very similar to the comparisons in mature bucks between KY and TN. Given hunter harvest numbers versus population, I can't imagine how the buck age structure isn't better in KY than TN. If the population and harvest numbers are right, KY simply has to have a better buck age structure. Yet TN hunters--due to our longer firearms seasons--consistently kill more mature bucks than KY hunters. So which is more important, having more or consistently killing more year after year?
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#3257781 - 05/30/13 08:03 AM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: mathews338]
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I have found that it is easier to find free land in KY to hunt. could be just my luck but I have got permission to hunt around 3000 acres all together for free just by knocking on doors. I can not find anything for free in TN.


That's interesting matthews338.
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#3257786 - 05/30/13 08:07 AM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: TENN.BOY]
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 Originally Posted By: TENN.BOY
Im not taking up for KY being top ranked state for trophy hunting , BSK it is not a matter of hunting mature bucks to the majority of hunters its about horn hunting to them,its how many people that kill 3 bucks a year and dont wait on a mature buck to walk by,but it is a free country guys shoot every little buck you want too and go to work on monday and brag about shooting a spike or a 3pnt. around the water cooler because that is your right to do so.Keep on keepin on CHOOT'EM CHOOT'EM


I have to laugh every time I read a post like the one above. Why is it that some hunters believe that everyone who does not hunt strictly for mature bucks is shooting every buck they see?

Unfortunately, it is arrogant attitudes like the one displayed above that do great harm to conscientious trophy hunters and those who manage and hunt wisely but are not mature-only buck hunters.
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#3257876 - 05/30/13 09:56 AM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BowGuy84
3 due to a higher percentage of rugged habitat that many midwest states, KY might produce more older age class bucks with 170" antlers, but still not the top end higher scoring bucks as states with more ag and better soils.


It's the age-old question BowGuy84: which is more important; what is in the herd or what is harvested? I have no data what-so-ever on how many 170+ or 200+ bucks there are per square mile in the agricultural Midwest versus KY, and there very well may be more in the Midwest, but more of those caliber bucks get harvested each year in KY. So which is more important, where more exist or where they are most harvestable? I would think trophy hunters would want to hunt where their odds are the highest--where those bucks are most harvestable (although I'm constantly amazed at how often trophy hunters will prefer two birds in the bush over one in the hand).

This whole question is very similar to the comparisons in mature bucks between KY and TN. Given hunter harvest numbers versus population, I can't imagine how the buck age structure isn't better in KY than TN. If the population and harvest numbers are right, KY simply has to have a better buck age structure. Yet TN hunters--due to our longer firearms seasons--consistently kill more mature bucks than KY hunters. So which is more important, having more or consistently killing more year after year?


I hear you BSK...but your "easier to kill" is based on reported data. I argue that many other states don't report a lot of the low end book bucks. Heck, several of the top counties in KY don't either...at least not the locals bc they have seen what it brings.

Also, the easier is dependent on 2 primary factors...1) are you willing and wanting to gun hunt (how most of the big deer are killed...or over bait but we won't broach that subject) and 2)where are you willing to hunt. The primo ground in KY is still tougher to hunt than a lot of land in the midwest (more topography and less deer density). It is also really hard to get access to.

I'll be the first to admit I love going to IN to hunt and walking that flat ground and seeing 30 deer a day and usually a shooter or 2. It's not like that in the majority of KY.

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#3257891 - 05/30/13 10:11 AM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: BSK]
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I have found that it is easier to find free land in KY to hunt. could be just my luck but I have got permission to hunt around 3000 acres all together for free just by knocking on doors. I can not find anything for free in TN.


That's interesting matthews338.

I have found the same thing with Ohio. It's much easier to find private land that they'll let you hunt for free. I think leasing has been so common in TN that it has become the norm.

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#3258025 - 05/30/13 01:46 PM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: Buzzard Breath]
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It's interesting to read what the KY locals think about this article (not surprising). You can read more here: http://www.kentuckyhunting.net/forums/sh...ophy-buck-state
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#3258028 - 05/30/13 01:57 PM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: Andy S.]
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It appears KDFWR is admitting they do indeed manage for trophy whitetails and will not miss the chance to toot their own horn about it.

"Years ago, hunters were allowed to take two bucks per year," Marraccini said. "That changed when the department decided to manage for a trophy system."

The Department of Fish and Wildlife Resources will likely tout its No. 1 ranking, Marraccini said.

"I imagine we'll mention it some," he said.


Read more here: http://www.kentucky.com/2013/05/23/2651531/kentucky-touted-as-no-1-state.html#storylink=cpy
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#3258262 - 05/30/13 07:07 PM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: BSK]
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I think it has all to do with there one buck a season and their season in general.


If that is the case, then why do TN hunters, year in and year out, kill more mature bucks per square mile than KY hunters?

I'm not saying KY's 1 buck limit is doing any harm, but it obviously isn't helping hunters kill more mature bucks.


that's interesting I didn't know that but is that taking in consideration the amount of hunters that hunt? it seems like to me even though Kentucky is getting on the map for big deer they still don't seem to have the amount of hunters we do. and plus it makes sense that tn kills more mature deer we have a 3 buck limit they only have one. I know people that have tagged out one 3 mature deer a year I personally have never done that. I trust your statistics but I wonder if they took all of the information that they could had takin into that statistic. just wondering if you have any info about that.
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#3258318 - 05/30/13 08:18 PM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: Buzzard Breath]
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I have also been given permission to hunt several small tracts in Ky by just asking. I really don't even ask any more around Franklin and Murfreesboro. I do belive a lot of the guys that shoot small bucks in TN because of a 3 buck limit don't have any issues with shooting 2 or 3 small buck, why would they. Its legal and TN kills so many mature deer we must be over run with them so lets raise the limit to 4 bucks and thin them out.
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#3258416 - 05/30/13 11:04 PM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: jar]
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Does any one in this conversation think that tenn. will ever be considered a state for trophy bucks,do we have the quality of bucks here now or in the near future to draw non-residents to the state of tenn.and pay $300 for license to hunt? If so please fill my arrogant attitude in on how it is goin to happen.Do we need more bigger and better crops or is it the buck limit,give me some advise on how i can help our state.If i need to stack them like fire wood i will or go for 1 per yr. IM ALL EARS !!!!!!!!!
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#3258424 - 05/31/13 12:00 AM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: TENN.BOY]
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 Originally Posted By: TENN.BOY
Does any one in this conversation think that tenn. will ever be considered a state for trophy bucks,do we have the quality of bucks here now or in the near future to draw non-residents to the state of tenn.and pay $300 for license to hunt?


i certainly hope not.
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#3258441 - 05/31/13 07:42 AM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: stik]
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i certainly hope not.
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#3258446 - 05/31/13 07:46 AM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: deerhunter10]
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I think it has all to do with there one buck a season and their season in general.


If that is the case, then why do TN hunters, year in and year out, kill more mature bucks per square mile than KY hunters?

I'm not saying KY's 1 buck limit is doing any harm, but it obviously isn't helping hunters kill more mature bucks.


that's interesting I didn't know that but is that taking in consideration the amount of hunters that hunt? it seems like to me even though Kentucky is getting on the map for big deer they still don't seem to have the amount of hunters we do. and plus it makes sense that tn kills more mature deer we have a 3 buck limit they only have one. I know people that have tagged out one 3 mature deer a year I personally have never done that. I trust your statistics but I wonder if they took all of the information that they could had takin into that statistic. just wondering if you have any info about that.


deerhunter10,

The disparity in mature buck harvest is simply a matter of how long hunters are allowed to hunt with a firearm, not the number of hunters (which is similar between the two states). TN has a much longer combined MZ and rifle season than KY, hence more mature bucks (and more bucks total) are killed in TN than in KY.

Is your opinion about the number of hunters in KY from personal experience? I ask because most top areas of KY are absolutely crawling with hunters, and lease prices are through the roof. In TN I've never seen the type of orange army that invades KY's gun seasons. Gun season is a war zone up there.
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#3258457 - 05/31/13 07:57 AM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: TENN.BOY]
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Does any one in this conversation think that tenn. will ever be considered a state for trophy bucks...


Trophy bucks? No. TN doesn't have the habitat to grow a lot of trophy bucks (large antlered bucks). But it certainly can (and does) grow a lot of mature bucks.


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...do we have the quality of bucks here now or in the near future to draw non-residents to the state of tenn.and pay $300 for license to hunt?


Only from areas farther South than TN, where habitat quality is even poorer than in much of TN, such as Florida and parts of Alabama. But TN is never going to be a "trophy" state due to much lower antler growth potential compared to the Midwestern States (including KY), even on mature bucks. In many parts of TN, mature bucks only average antlers in the 110-125 gross range. Most trophy hunters would not be interested in antlers of that size.


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If so please fill my arrogant attitude in on how it is goin to happen.


You're assuming hunters WANT TN to be a trophy state, where the best land gets leased up by out-of-state outfitters. I certainly do not want that.


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...give me some advise on how i can help our state.


Help TN become a trophy state? You can't. It doesn't have the soil or habitat resources (outside of a few areas) to produce the shear number of trophy bucks as the Midwest. If you are a trophy hunter, I recommend you hunt one of the trophy states in the agricultural Midwest.
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#3258542 - 05/31/13 09:24 AM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: BSK]
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Thanks, you have answered the question for this whole topic !!!!!! I have one more ? The 2:1 buck to doe ratio is that state wide ?
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#3258601 - 05/31/13 11:12 AM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: TENN.BOY]
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Thanks, you have answered the question for this whole topic !!!!!! I have one more ? The 2:1 buck to doe ratio is that state wide ?
Not BSK,but NO!
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#3258636 - 05/31/13 11:44 AM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: Football Hunter]
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#3258711 - 05/31/13 01:24 PM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: BSK]
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I think it has all to do with there one buck a season and their season in general.


If that is the case, then why do TN hunters, year in and year out, kill more mature bucks per square mile than KY hunters?

I'm not saying KY's 1 buck limit is doing any harm, but it obviously isn't helping hunters kill more mature bucks.


that's interesting I didn't know that but is that taking in consideration the amount of hunters that hunt? it seems like to me even though Kentucky is getting on the map for big deer they still don't seem to have the amount of hunters we do. and plus it makes sense that tn kills more mature deer we have a 3 buck limit they only have one. I know people that have tagged out one 3 mature deer a year I personally have never done that. I trust your statistics but I wonder if they took all of the information that they could had takin into that statistic. just wondering if you have any info about that.


deerhunter10,

The disparity in mature buck harvest is simply a matter of how long hunters are allowed to hunt with a firearm, not the number of hunters (which is similar between the two states). TN has a much longer combined MZ and rifle season than KY, hence more mature bucks (and more bucks total) are killed in TN than in KY.

Is your opinion about the number of hunters in KY from personal experience? I ask because most top areas of KY are absolutely crawling with hunters, and lease prices are through the roof. In TN I've never seen the type of orange army that invades KY's gun seasons. Gun season is a war zone up there.


yes a little personally opinion and from hearing from others. but I haven't ever been up there in their firearm season so you are probably correct there. it may just seem like it especially in bow season. but thank you on the information it makes sense why tn kills more mature bucks then ky.
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#3258719 - 05/31/13 01:40 PM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: BSK]
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I think it has all to do with there one buck a season and their season in general.


If that is the case, then why do TN hunters, year in and year out, kill more mature bucks per square mile than KY hunters?

I'm not saying KY's 1 buck limit is doing any harm, but it obviously isn't helping hunters kill more mature bucks.


that's interesting I didn't know that but is that taking in consideration the amount of hunters that hunt? it seems like to me even though Kentucky is getting on the map for big deer they still don't seem to have the amount of hunters we do. and plus it makes sense that tn kills more mature deer we have a 3 buck limit they only have one. I know people that have tagged out one 3 mature deer a year I personally have never done that. I trust your statistics but I wonder if they took all of the information that they could had takin into that statistic. just wondering if you have any info about that.


deerhunter10,

The disparity in mature buck harvest is simply a matter of how long hunters are allowed to hunt with a firearm, not the number of hunters (which is similar between the two states). TN has a much longer combined MZ and rifle season than KY, hence more mature bucks (and more bucks total) are killed in TN than in KY.

Is your opinion about the number of hunters in KY from personal experience? I ask because most top areas of KY are absolutely crawling with hunters, and lease prices are through the roof. In TN I've never seen the type of orange army that invades KY's gun seasons. Gun season is a war zone up there.
What you say makes sense,but....to plat Devils Advocate,when is the last time you were in Ky on opening day to see the "orange army"or on public land in Tn on opening day,to see the "orange army'?Not as different as you think.

Also,to continue with Devils Advocate thing,since you say we kill more "mature" bucks than Ky,because of Tn's much longer "gun" season,wouldnt a shorter gun season here produce a better oppurtunity for an older agr class buck,or even one with bigger antlers in the years to come?

Asuming that was a hunters or TWRAs goal?
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#3258836 - 05/31/13 05:42 PM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: TENN.BOY]
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Thanks, you have answered the question for this whole topic !!!!!! I have one more ? The 2:1 buck to doe ratio is that state wide ?


Absolutely not. I have a very skewed LOCAL sex ratio due to two factors: 1) years of pounding does without mercy while protecting bucks; and 2) several years in a row of bad fawn production. Young female deer generally don't disperse as far from their birth range as young males do, hence poor fawn production locally has greatly reduced the number of new young does and bucks being produced locally, yet young males continue to move in from distant locations, producing a large disparity in males.
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#3258909 - 05/31/13 07:58 PM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: TENN.BOY]
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Why does anyone need to shoot more than 1 buck a yr ? if we want to fill our freezers lay the does down,and hold off for that big mature buck when he comes sneakin threw trying to find a doe to court for a few days.
because its their right to shoot more than one.not everyone is trophy hunters

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#3258927 - 05/31/13 08:22 PM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: Poser]
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Why does anyone need to shoot more than 1 buck a yr ?


Why does anyone need to go hunting in the first place? You can buy meat at the store and antlers from deer farms.
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#3258930 - 05/31/13 08:25 PM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: BSK]
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Thanks, you have answered the question for this whole topic !!!!!! I have one more ? The 2:1 buck to doe ratio is that state wide ?


Absolutely not. I have a very skewed LOCAL sex ratio due to two factors: 1) years of pounding does without mercy while protecting bucks; and 2) several years in a row of bad fawn production. Young female deer generally don't disperse as far from their birth range as young males do, hence poor fawn production locally has greatly reduced the number of new young does and bucks being produced locally, yet young males continue to move in from distant locations, producing a large disparity in males.
I have heard somewhere before that is a near perfect buck to doe ratio. Seems to me though if you don't have many does on your property will the bucks leave looking for more tail?
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#3258973 - 05/31/13 09:10 PM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: timberjack86]
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No, apparently deer do not have a "grass is greener on the other side type of mentality"...
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#3259148 - 06/01/13 08:54 AM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: timberjack86]
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Thanks, you have answered the question for this whole topic !!!!!! I have one more ? The 2:1 buck to doe ratio is that state wide ?


Absolutely not. I have a very skewed LOCAL sex ratio due to two factors: 1) years of pounding does without mercy while protecting bucks; and 2) several years in a row of bad fawn production. Young female deer generally don't disperse as far from their birth range as young males do, hence poor fawn production locally has greatly reduced the number of new young does and bucks being produced locally, yet young males continue to move in from distant locations, producing a large disparity in males.
I have heard somewhere before that is a near perfect buck to doe ratio. Seems to me though if you don't have many does on your property will the bucks leave looking for more tail?


No, far more bucks than does is a bad thing, just as far more does than bucks is a bad thing. The "perfect" adult sex ratio is the sex ratio Nature creates, which is around 1.2 to 1.4 adult does per adult buck (although deer are born at equal ratio of males to females, more males die from natural causes, hence a natural sex ratio will favor females).

And no, bucks will not leave an area because there is a lot of competition between bucks. Deer have no imagination (no animal but humans do), therefore they cannot imagine a better situation somewhere else and go looking for it. Bucks will simply deal with whatever situation they find themselves in, whether that's lots of does or few does. Now bucks DO have some desire to "wander" built into them genetically, but typically just as many bucks will wander into an area of low doe numbers as wander out of the area.
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#3259162 - 06/01/13 09:22 AM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: Football Hunter]
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Also,to continue with Devils Advocate thing,since you say we kill more "mature" bucks than Ky,because of Tn's much longer "gun" season,wouldnt a shorter gun season here produce a better oppurtunity for an older agr class buck,or even one with bigger antlers in the years to come?

Asuming that was a hunters or TWRAs goal?


If I may, let me answer your second question first.

Although it sounds logical (killing fewer mature bucks means having more mature bucks in the future), deer population dynamics don't work that way. Bucks do not have the lifespan hunters think they do. In fact, in the toughest habitat/terrain conditions (hilly or mountainous hardwoods), few bucks live beyond 6 1/2 years of age, regardless of hunter harvest. In addition, in a given year, the MAJORITY of mature bucks present (and I'm using the biological definition of "mature"--4 1/2 or older) were not mature bucks the previous year. They are 4 1/2 year-olds that were "middle-aged" (3 1/2) the previous year. This is true every year. The majority of mature bucks present in a given year were not mature the previous year (4 1/2 year-olds always make up the majority of all bucks 4 1/2 and older, due to rapid natural mortality of bucks older than 4 1/2). Therefore, the number of mature bucks killed the previous year is almost irrelevant. In essence, "protecting" mature bucks from harvest will not "stockpile" more mature bucks in the future. They will simply die of natural causes.

In addition, you have to look at how harvestable bucks are. Shorter firearms seasons reduce the harvestability of bucks. Even if an area has more mature bucks (which I strongly suspect most of KY does over most of TN); more mature bucks may not increase harvest opportunities due to the area's shorter period of firearms hunting.

I realize this seems counterintuitive, but that appears to exactly what is happening. Although KY most likely has more mature bucks, hunters are not able to take advantage of that higher number. If hunters cannot take advantage, then opportunity is lower. Although it may be true that bow hunting opportunities for mature bucks is increased (I would need to see mature buck harvest data broken out by weapon to know for sure, but that scenario makes logical sense).
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#3259170 - 06/01/13 09:37 AM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: BSK]
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. . . . . . bucks will not leave an area because there is a lot of competition between bucks. Deer have no imagination (no animal but humans do), therefore they cannot imagine a better situation somewhere else and go looking for it. Bucks will simply deal with whatever situation they find themselves in, whether that's lots of does or few does. Now bucks have some desire to "wander" built into them genetically, yet just as many bucks will wander into an area of low doe numbers as wander out of the area.

Totally correct.

But I've found getting hunters to "believe" this can be quite a challenge. Many hunters believe that more does attract more bucks, when the truth is it's more an issue of bucks simply naturally roaming within their rut range. If there were no does whatsoever, imo, these same bucks would actually roam more and become more visible to those hunting within their rut range.

This is not to say a buck doesn't stay with a hot doe for a day or two when he stumbles across her. But I believe we (as hunters) typically have more opportunity to cross paths with a buck when he's daytime roaming, "looking" for a doe, i.e. the more he's up on his feet "looking", the more we're likely to get a shot at him. By contrast, staying bedded most of the day with an estrous doe can provide less chance of seeing him.

Anything can be taken to an unhealthy extreme, and there are usually some exceptions to most generalities, but there is much truth in the statement, "One of the best ways to see more bucks can be to shoot more does." A good "rule of thumb" is to ongoing take the same number of female as male deer annually. Many hunter-managers are finding they need to take more female than male deer annually to make up for adjoining properties that take too few females (although I think BSK has had just the opposite circumstance in his neighbors literally wiping out the doe herd).

A few years ago, the State of KY had had a much more balanced-sex harvest than TN for many consecutive years (although TN has somewhat caught up over the past few years). IMO, this ongoing more balanced-sex harvest contributed greatly to hunters "seeing" more bucks while hunting in KY vs. when those same hunters hunted in TN.

The good news is there is much less difference in the hunting experience (TN vs. KY) today than there was a few years ago. While it's stayed about the same in KY, it's gotten much better in TN.

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#3259226 - 06/01/13 12:14 PM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: Wes Parrish]
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A good "rule of thumb" is to ongoing take the same number of female as male deer annually. Many hunter-managers are finding they need to take more female than male deer annually to make up for adjoining properties that take too few females...


Agreed.


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(although I think BSK has had just the opposite circumstance in his neighbors literally wiping out the doe herd).


We pounded the does, yet with only 3/4 of a square miles of "effect" does could easily avoid us around the perimeter and then filter back in post-season. However, once our "neighbor" (a very large National Wildlife Refuge) decided to decimate their doe population, the does no longer had anywhere to hide, hence their population has been knocked down hard, followed by several years of poor fawn survival which has prevented population rebound.


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The good news is there is much less difference in the hunting experience (TN vs. KY) today than there was a few years ago. While it's stayed about the same in KY, it's gotten much better in TN.


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#3259229 - 06/01/13 12:16 PM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: Wes Parrish]
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I think TN should have a 0 buck limit for a year
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#3260125 - 06/02/13 08:29 PM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: scn]
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#3260480 - 06/03/13 10:58 AM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: gator-n-buck]
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I think comparing KY to Iowa or Illinios is like comparing apples and oranges.
Take away KY rifle season and the number of trophy deer drops considerably.
Add a rifle season to the Midwestern states and there trophy harvests jump considerably. KDFWR will find out over time the rifle and the bulldozer along with the constant influx of out of state hunters will be detrimental to the "trophy program" they are so proud of. All they are worried about is revenue but when the resource is depleted the revenue will also be gone. I personally wish they would either do away with the center fire rifle season or at least reduce the number of days. 16 days of rifle hunting during the rut is too much in my opinion.
Let me add I live in a "trophy county" where the hunting is very commercialized.
In my opinion a hunter should not ever want their home state to be labelled as a "trophy state." Nothing good will ever come of it unless you own a bunch of land and want to lease it out or become an outfitter.
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#3260769 - 06/03/13 06:27 PM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: TN Whitetail Freak]
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I think TN should have a 0 buck limit for a year
I hope I never have to share the woods with someone with this kind of intelligence.
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#3262546 - 06/06/13 06:52 AM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: timberjack86]
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LOL- I just hope I never have to share the woods with anyone. I haven't seen another deer hunter in many years while hunting. I have zero peer pressure as to what I should or shouldn't shoot, what time to climb down, what time to go, what day(s) to sleep in, how long my shots should be or anything else.

I have laws to obey and ethics to consider.

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#3262777 - 06/06/13 11:57 AM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: BSK]
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BSK, how did that affect the rut, the 2:1 ratio? It seems like everyone around the Nashville the rut was on fire but that was far from my experience this year. I would think your talking about somewhere a ways from nashville too right? everywhere I have beenit seems they are overpopulated.

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#3262808 - 06/06/13 12:30 PM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: MattR]
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#3263318 - 06/07/13 08:23 AM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: MattR]
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BSK, how did that affect the rut, the 2:1 ratio? It seems like everyone around the Nashville the rut was on fire but that was far from my experience this year. I would think your talking about somewhere a ways from nashville too right? everywhere I have beenit seems they are overpopulated.


We have a very tight and intense rut, and it occurs about a week before the rut in surrounding areas.

Property is in western Humphreys County.
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#3263384 - 06/07/13 10:21 AM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: Poser]
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#3263981 - 06/08/13 01:36 PM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: Roost 1]
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I think comparing KY to Iowa or Illinios is like comparing apples and oranges.
Take away KY rifle season and the number of trophy deer drops considerably.
Add a rifle season to the Midwestern states and there trophy harvests jump considerably.

I think valid comparisons are being made between these states, provided THE DIFFERENCES between them are not being overlooked. Iowa & Illinois both have a lot more "open" habitat than KY, so if they allowed centerfire rifles, those longer-range weapons would provide more advantage in those states than centerfires provide in most of KY.

We should do our best to make "apples to apples" comparisons, but to each of us, some things matter a lot more than others. Being a TN resident, I find the logistics of hunting in KY to be much better than hunting in Illinois or Iowa. Much easier for me to hunt more days in KY. Other things being in the same ball park, being able to hunt more in one place over the other is a significant factor in probable outcome.

I also prefer to deer hunt with a rifle rather than a shotgun. Some are more interested in archery only opportunities, and for them, having less gun hunting days, (especially when most of the gun hunting is post-rut) is a big factor. But what if you're NOT an avid bowhunter and prefer hunting with a gun? You might prefer to hunt with a rifle during the peak of the rut as in Kentucky?

 Originally Posted By: Roost 1
I personally wish they would either do away with the center fire rifle season or at least reduce the number of days. 16 days of rifle hunting during the rut is too much in my opinion.

Would you feel that way if you didn't bowhunt? What if your annual hunting were limited to only 2 or 3 weekends a year?

As a sidebar in making another comparison, by your stated perspective, you would REALLY NOT like how the seasons are in TN. Tennessee has over twice as many gun days annually as KY. And to top off the differences, KY opens "deer season" weeks earlier than TN, and closes it weeks later! Relatively speaking (comparing TN to KY), more of KY's "trophy" bucks are taken by archery-only hunters. This is great if you're an avid bowhunter, sucks if you only hunt with a gun.

 Originally Posted By: Roost 1
In my opinion a hunter should not ever want their home state to be labelled as a "trophy state." Nothing good will ever come of it unless you own a bunch of land and want to lease it out or become an outfitter.

I think being labeled as a "trophy state" is losing much of the luster it once had. The quality of the deer herds has improved so much in most states that the differences are just not as great as they once were, state to state. And since more states have been labeled as "trophy states", we've actually seen the number of hunters shrink. So I don't think the sky is about to fall.

More like these are the good ole days of deer hunting in most states, no matter whether you're a deer hunter or a trophy bowhunter. In fact, if anything, trophy bowhunters have a faster growing opportunity than those who hunt only with a gun.

But in my "perfect world", Kentucky would have a shorter archery season, and a 2-buck limit, as would Tennessee. You won't find many as "avid" about deer hunting as I am. But I believe we have been placing too much emphasis on deer hunting, and not enough emphasis on hunting.

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#3264117 - 06/08/13 07:20 PM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
 Originally Posted By: Roost 1
I think comparing KY to Iowa or Illinios is like comparing apples and oranges.
Take away KY rifle season and the number of trophy deer drops considerably.
Add a rifle season to the Midwestern states and there trophy harvests jump considerably.

I think valid comparisons are being made between these states, provided THE DIFFERENCES between them are not being overlooked. Iowa & Illinois both have a lot more "open" habitat than KY, so if they allowed centerfire rifles, those longer-range weapons would provide more advantage in those states than centerfires provide in most of KY.

We should do our best to make "apples to apples" comparisons, but to each of us, some things matter a lot more than others. Being a TN resident, I find the logistics of hunting in KY to be much better than hunting in Illinois or Iowa. Much easier for me to hunt more days in KY. Other things being in the same ball park, being able to hunt more in one place over the other is a significant factor in probable outcome.

I also prefer to deer hunt with a rifle rather than a shotgun. Some are more interested in archery only opportunities, and for them, having less gun hunting days, (especially when most of the gun hunting is post-rut) is a big factor. But what if you're NOT an avid bowhunter and prefer hunting with a gun? You might prefer to hunt with a rifle during the peak of the rut as in Kentucky?

 Originally Posted By: Roost 1
I personally wish they would either do away with the center fire rifle season or at least reduce the number of days. 16 days of rifle hunting during the rut is too much in my opinion.

Would you feel that way if you didn't bowhunt? What if your annual hunting were limited to only 2 or 3 weekends a year?

As a sidebar in making another comparison, by your stated perspective, you would REALLY NOT like how the seasons are in TN. Tennessee has over twice as many gun days annually as KY. And to top off the differences, KY opens "deer season" weeks earlier than TN, and closes it weeks later! Relatively speaking (comparing TN to KY), more of KY's "trophy" bucks are taken by archery-only hunters. This is great if you're an avid bowhunter, sucks if you only hunt with a gun.

 Originally Posted By: Roost 1
In my opinion a hunter should not ever want their home state to be labelled as a "trophy state." Nothing good will ever come of it unless you own a bunch of land and want to lease it out or become an outfitter.

I think being labeled as a "trophy state" is losing much of the luster it once had. The quality of the deer herds has improved so much in most states that the differences are just not as great as they once were, state to state. And since more states have been labeled as "trophy states", we've actually seen the number of hunters shrink. So I don't think the sky is about to fall.

More like these are the good ole days of deer hunting in most states, no matter whether you're a deer hunter or a trophy bowhunter. In fact, if anything, trophy bowhunters have a faster growing opportunity than those who hunt only with a gun.

But in my "perfect world", Kentucky would have a shorter archery season, and a 2-buck limit, as would Tennessee. You won't find many as "avid" about deer hunting as I am. But I believe we have been placing too much emphasis on deer hunting, and not enough emphasis on hunting.



Wow.... I think you missed my point completely!!!!!
If you think 16 days of rifle hunting during peak rut doesn't give KY the upper hand over places like Iowa and IL you are mistaken. Point I was making is that most of KY "trophy buck" are taken with rifle where as if hunters in those other places had that advantage KY would not be mentioned in same conversation. Anyone who thinks KY has more top end bucks than Iowa hasn't ever been to Iowa...The Midwest states value the resource more than the kdfwr does and it is very apparent. If it matters I have hunted all 3 places so I know a little about what I am saying.....
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#3264204 - 06/08/13 09:22 PM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: Roost 1]
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 Originally Posted By: Roost 1
Wow.... I think you missed my point completely!!!!!
If you think 16 days of rifle hunting during peak rut doesn't give KY the upper hand over places like Iowa and IL you are mistaken.

Not completely. \:\)
What I was saying is that KY (at least for me) DOES HAVE the upper hand over places like Iowa & IL, in part BECAUSE OF those 16 days of rifle hunting during the peak of the rut. All things being equal, my preference is to hunt the rut with the most effective weapon possible. That may be a bow or a shotgun in IL, but in KY, it's a rifle.

But this is just my personal preference coming from someone who is more a deer hunter than a specific weapon enthusiast. Just know I can be more effective with a rifle than with a bow, even though I enjoy the hunting regardless of which is in my hand.

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#3264236 - 06/08/13 10:20 PM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
 Originally Posted By: Roost 1
Wow.... I think you missed my point completely!!!!!
If you think 16 days of rifle hunting during peak rut doesn't give KY the upper hand over places like Iowa and IL you are mistaken.

Not completely. \:\)
What I was saying is that KY (at least for me) DOES HAVE the upper hand over places like Iowa & IL, in part BECAUSE OF those 16 days of rifle hunting during the peak of the rut. All things being equal, my preference is to hunt the rut with the most effective weapon possible. That may be a bow or a shotgun in IL, but in KY, it's a rifle.

But this is just my personal preference coming from someone who is more a deer hunter than a specific weapon enthusiast. Just know I can be more effective with a rifle than with a bow, even though I enjoy the hunting regardless of which is in my hand.


ok, I think I understand what you are saying now..We are looking at it from 2 different viewpoints I think. If you are saying, from a hunters standpoint of trying to be successful because of the advantage of our rifle season, then yes I guess KY is a top trophy state although I think your chances of seeing more top-end deer are better in Iowa however because of weapons restrictions you are not as likely to harvest. Harold Knight, Knight and Hale Game Calls, told me Iowa is the only place he can hunt and see a B&C everyday. However he is yet to kill one over 170". Point I was trying to make is that KY just doesn't have the top end deer that the Midwest does and I stick to that. Your point, I think, is that is easier to kill a "trophy" deer in KY. I will agree to that.
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#3264394 - 06/09/13 09:17 AM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: Roost 1]
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 Originally Posted By: Roost 1
We are looking at it from 2 different viewpoints I think. If you are saying, from a hunters standpoint of trying to be successful because of the advantage of our rifle season, then yes I guess KY is a top trophy state although I think your chances of seeing more top-end deer are better in Iowa however because of weapons restrictions you are not as likely to harvest. Harold Knight, Knight and Hale Game Calls, told me Iowa is the only place he can hunt and see a B&C everyday. However he is yet to kill one over 170". Point I was trying to make is that KY just doesn't have the top end deer that the Midwest does and I stick to that. Your point, I think, is that is easier to kill a "trophy" deer in KY. I will agree to that.


Exactly Roost 1, you nailed the argument. The agricultural Midwestern states most likely have more top-end trophy bucks present, but limitations in weapon type make them much less likely to be killed. KY doesn't have as many top-end trophies, but they are more killable.

If I were a bow-only trophy hunter, I would be focusing on the agricultural Midwest. If I were any any-weapon trophy hunter, I would be focusing on KY.
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#3264457 - 06/09/13 11:16 AM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: BSK]
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I am wondering how northern MO gets left out of these conversations?
If I wanted to go on a top end rifle or bow hunt it would be as close to that IA border as I could get........
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#3264498 - 06/09/13 12:29 PM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: Roost 1]
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 Originally Posted By: Roost 1
I am wondering how northern MO gets left out of these conversations?
If I wanted to go on a top end rifle or bow hunt it would be as close to that IA border as I could get........


In my opinion, northern MO, with its more flat, open habitat, gets a lot more harvest pressure than the big buck areas of KY.
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#3264568 - 06/09/13 02:13 PM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: BSK]
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I personally don't think it means anything. If I had one chance at a trophy buck hunt I'd still go to Wisconsin, Iowa, or Illinois.
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#3264618 - 06/09/13 03:38 PM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: Master Chief]
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 Originally Posted By: Master Chief
If I had one chance at a trophy buck hunt I'd still go to Wisconsin, Iowa, or Illinois.

DEPENDS on both how you define "one chance" and a "trophy" buck. \:D

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#3265015 - 06/10/13 05:59 AM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: Wes Parrish]
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Glad we could all come to a gentlemans agreement more or less.

Roost, I want to be on record for mentioning MO on page 3. Great rut gun hunting IMO.

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#3265089 - 06/10/13 08:47 AM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: BowGuy84]
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I'm hearing one of the reasons KY is climbing
higher in B&C deer deer is IL has a 2 buck limit
and way more outfitters that any other state. They
are also dropping there min. scores years back
many outfitters were at 140" now at 125".

There season is prime food source hunting too.

And most don't realize Iowa has a 3 Buck limit
for residents, Kansas has a rifle season but again
It's late season and food hammers then, plus
many bow kills are over corn piles.
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#3266865 - 06/12/13 04:01 PM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: BSK]
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I like our unit l seasons/ regulations just like they are, I just wish we could extend the rifle season another 2 weeks. I would hate a one buck per year quota, seeing as how I can kill 3 mature bucks if I choose now.
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#3266868 - 06/12/13 04:02 PM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Roost 1
I am wondering how northern MO gets left out of these conversations?
If I wanted to go on a top end rifle or bow hunt it would be as close to that IA border as I could get........


In my opinion, northern MO, with its more flat, open habitat, gets a lot more harvest pressure than the big buck areas of KY.


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#3267751 - 06/13/13 07:44 PM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: Buzzard Breath]
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Doesn't KY allow for hunting over bait as well...not that I am for it, nor have I done it, but would that have anything to do with some of this extra food supplementation?
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#3268282 - 06/14/13 06:03 PM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: 7mm08]
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 Originally Posted By: 7mm08
Doesn't KY allow for hunting over bait as well...
Private land yes, public land no is how I understand it.


Edited by Andy S. (06/14/13 06:06 PM)
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#3268742 - 06/15/13 10:49 PM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: Andy S.]
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this is a very good and informative thread here. thanks everyone
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#3268779 - 06/16/13 05:19 AM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: BSK]
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And the debate goes on....... \:D

Life's not fair...... \:\)

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#3271225 - 06/19/13 01:32 PM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: TENN.BOY]
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 Originally Posted By: TENN.BOY
Does any one in this conversation think that tenn. will ever be considered a state for trophy bucks,do we have the quality of bucks here now or in the near future to draw non-residents to the state of tenn.and pay $300 for license to hunt? If so please fill my arrogant attitude in on how it is goin to happen.Do we need more bigger and better crops or is it the buck limit,give me some advise on how i can help our state.If i need to stack them like fire wood i will or go for 1 per yr. IM ALL EARS !!!!!!!!!


I certainly hope TN never gets known as a trophy deer state. As soon as that happens land prices skyrocket to the point that locals can't buy any and you have out of state hunters crawling all over you. Leases would go up to the ceiling too. I'd rather have nothing but forkhorns myself than to be known as a trophy state. Regarding high license costs and being willing to pay them, I personally DO pay the out-of-state license fee every year but I am a Tennessean who just happened to move to Alabama for a job. TN has and always will be where I consider home to be. I don't particularly like the fact that I have to pay so much to hunt my own land but that's just the way it is.

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#3271276 - 06/19/13 02:45 PM Re: KY ranked as top Trophy Whitetail state [Re: Hunter 257W]
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The reason KY is climbing the B&C ladder is simple, they are killing more and more B&C bucks each year. We can speculate all day but the proof is in the pudding! Location is a big part of it but many states have the location but lack the management! TN will likely never be near the top of the list simply based n location!
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