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#3253299 - 05/23/13 07:50 AM Re: 2013 Harvest Comparison [Re: 102]
Rockhound
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Ok so what about the areas of the state, that the birds aren't vocal vocal because they aren't there? No gobbling, no sign, no anything and there hasn't been for a few years. The ones that are doing the griping are the ones who have been without birds for several years not just this one.
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#3253315 - 05/23/13 08:10 AM Re: 2013 Harvest Comparison [Re: Rockhound]
CAMARO12
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But myself and the other good turkey hunters I mentioned did not see the birds or the sign that we saw in recent years. So its not just the gobbling. And we hunt excellent habitat.
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#3253359 - 05/23/13 08:59 AM Re: 2013 Harvest Comparison [Re: CAMARO12]
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If it we could just blame it on bad weather what about the 6 or 7 years before this year? Did those years have bad weather also?
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#3253365 - 05/23/13 09:05 AM Re: 2013 Harvest Comparison [Re: muddyboots]
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Muddy, these guys that are not and have not experienced a downturn in their turkey hunting success can't relate to what we're talking about. And I hope they never do. But if something doesn't change quickly, its only a matter of time before they do.
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#3253395 - 05/23/13 09:52 AM Re: 2013 Harvest Comparison [Re: CAMARO12]
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I agree with 102 on the weather and gobbling. Better weather does have better gobbling. But it aint that I and everybody else aint hearing turkeys because there silen. We are not hearing turkeys or seeing them or having sign on our land because they aint there.

We are not stupid. We know our lands and the lands around them and have experienced the drop off for sevearl years in a row. One bad year doesn't mean anything, but 7-8 bad years in a row does. If you don't live or hunt in these places you do not understand and you have no business saying that they are there and just not gobbling because the bad weather. We know what is going on the places that we frequent.

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#3253445 - 05/23/13 10:51 AM Re: 2013 Harvest Comparison [Re: woodsman87]
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 Originally Posted By: woodsman87
I agree with 102 on the weather and gobbling. Better weather does have better gobbling. But it aint that I and everybody else aint hearing turkeys because there silen. We are not hearing turkeys or seeing them or having sign on our land because they aint there.

We are not stupid. We know our lands and the lands around them and have experienced the drop off for sevearl years in a row. One bad year doesn't mean anything, but 7-8 bad years in a row does. If you don't live or hunt in these places you do not understand and you have no business saying that they are there and just not gobbling because the bad weather. We know what is going on the places that we frequent.


Nobody is calling anyone stupid.
I had no idea that there were places in Tennessee that had supported good huntable numbers of turkey 6 or 7 years ago and that now, the birds were all killed.
I think in those areas of the State, the season should be closed.
And I am CERTAIN that if proof were presented to TWRA that this were the case, TWRA would take action to replenish the flock including a closed season or three.

I have hunted places like Ocoee (National Forest Land) where groups of seasoned hunters would "swear" the flock had all but vanished. Year after year would produce poor hunting results. Then suddenly one year things change and turkeys are BACK! EVERYWHERE.

I have seen the same thing with deer herds, and fish.

It is a NORMAL natural cycle.

I suggest finding land to hunt that HAS good huntable numbers of turkey next season and give your "home" area a (voluntary) break.

It took me years to accept that TWRA could not produce "huntable" numbers of Pope and Young deer in my county. So I went looking. And I have never looked back.
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#3253499 - 05/23/13 11:52 AM Re: 2013 Harvest Comparison [Re: 102]
woodsman87
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 Originally Posted By: 102
 Originally Posted By: woodsman87
I agree with 102 on the weather and gobbling. Better weather does have better gobbling. But it aint that I and everybody else aint hearing turkeys because there silen. We are not hearing turkeys or seeing them or having sign on our land because they aint there.

We are not stupid. We know our lands and the lands around them and have experienced the drop off for sevearl years in a row. One bad year doesn't mean anything, but 7-8 bad years in a row does. If you don't live or hunt in these places you do not understand and you have no business saying that they are there and just not gobbling because the bad weather. We know what is going on the places that we frequent.


Nobody is calling anyone stupid.
I had no idea that there were places in Tennessee that had supported good huntable numbers of turkey 6 or 7 years ago and that now, the birds were all killed.
I think in those areas of the State, the season should be closed.
And I am CERTAIN that if proof were presented to TWRA that this were the case, TWRA would take action to replenish the flock including a closed season or three.

I have hunted places like Ocoee (National Forest Land) where groups of seasoned hunters would "swear" the flock had all but vanished. Year after year would produce poor hunting results. Then suddenly one year things change and turkeys are BACK! EVERYWHERE.

I have seen the same thing with deer herds, and fish.

It is a NORMAL natural cycle.

I suggest finding land to hunt that HAS good huntable numbers of turkey next season and give your "home" area a (voluntary) break.

It took me years to accept that TWRA could not produce "huntable" numbers of Pope and Young deer in my county. So I went looking. And I have never looked back.


I am fortunate enough to have a good spot somewhat nearby with huntable turkeys. I stated earlier that if TWRA went to units and my home area was a unit, it should be either closed season or no more than 1 or 2 birds with a 3 or 4 week season.
We hear and see few on my land year round. We normally get 1-3 gobblers and a few hens each spring, but the area is void of turkeys from mid summer all the way through the next March. Just seems to be a breeding/nesting area. I do not own much land, but have access to lands around it. This is just a guess, but I would say it has been about 1-3 gobblers per about 1,000 acres of good suitable habitat (cow pasture, hay fields, oak hardwoods, cedar thickets, food plots, and grown up blackberry thickets). It is just simply something wrong. We just never see, hear, or see turkey sign anymore.
7+ years ago it wasn't this way, seeing turkeys almost daily throughout this portion of the county year round. Small fall flocks were about 20 birds, but you would occasionally see them in the hundreds. Every spring all the pastures would have gobblers with "thier" hens. Every late spring and summer every little nook and cranny had a hen with a nest in it.

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#3253552 - 05/23/13 01:14 PM Re: 2013 Harvest Comparison [Re: woodsman87]
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Not sure why things are that way for you woodsman, maybe something to do with a DDT type interaction between the soil (diet) and the eggs accumulated through several nesting seasons. Really doubt this but who knows.

More than likely it is a cycle of some sort.

If I were in your shoes, I would do as you have, find an alternate location till things get better.

TWRA simply can't micro manage counties. Manpower is just too prohibitive. I am sure we all realize these TWRA guys are not paid much. It is a state job. Kinda one of those (called) to serve kinda deals. Most TWRA employees really do it for the satisfaction and enjoyment of the job rather than the money. I respect that, even if it isn't long lived.

So it is pretty much up to us as hunters to decide "micro-management" style, what is best for our chosen area and then "pull the trigger" (pardon my pun). It is amazing what just a few like minded serious hunters can do for a local population of animals.
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#3253555 - 05/23/13 01:23 PM Re: 2013 Harvest Comparison [Re: 102]
CAMARO12
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But we as hunters can call it to TWRA's attention that something is definitely wrong!
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#3253568 - 05/23/13 01:57 PM Re: 2013 Harvest Comparison [Re: CAMARO12]
woodsman87
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Im ready for hunting season of any kind(besides spring squirrel) to open so we can all relax again!
Check out these threads since all seasons are closed. We are having withdrawals and losing ourselves


Edited by woodsman87 (05/23/13 01:58 PM)

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