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#3248665 - 05/17/13 10:13 AM TWRA REPORTS TURKEY NUMBERS REMAIN STABLE
CAMARO12
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I heard on a Jackson radio station this morning that TWRA is reporting that wild turkey numbers remain stable across the state as reflected by another spring harvest of over 30,000 birds. Evidently they are not looking at individual county harvest numbers that are declining each year. Wake up BOYS & GIRLS!!!
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#3248715 - 05/17/13 10:50 AM Re: TWRA REPORTS TURKEY NUMBERS REMAIN STABLE [Re: CAMARO12]
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I will comment, but not going to debate and argue like I did on some of the other threads concerning this.

Stable as a state in whole meaning we harvest 30,000 +- birds each year then they are right. If stable means the southern most counties going down significantly each year since 2007 then they are incorrect on what I would think stable means.

I still think it goes in cycles and deviates up and down for many different factors, and they have real biologist working for them so maybe that is their reasoning. I don't know, surely they will not let these wild turkeys go extinct if they could help it. I trust in them.

Thanks for the info CAMARO12

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#3248722 - 05/17/13 10:59 AM Re: TWRA REPORTS TURKEY NUMBERS REMAIN STABLE [Re: woodsman87]
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I agree, I had a better year than normal but everybody I've talked too said they saw less numbers than they ever have
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#3248726 - 05/17/13 11:08 AM Re: TWRA REPORTS TURKEY NUMBERS REMAIN STABLE [Re: easy45]
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 Originally Posted By: easy45
I agree, I had a better year than normal but everybody I've talked too said they saw less numbers than they ever have
similar case here, hunting for me was great this year, but others in this forum not so much luck.
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#3248746 - 05/17/13 12:00 PM Re: TWRA REPORTS TURKEY NUMBERS REMAIN STABLE [Re: catman529]
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#3248802 - 05/17/13 01:38 PM Re: TWRA REPORTS TURKEY NUMBERS REMAIN STABLE [Re: muddyboots]
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Imagine that! Who cares what the potential is! As long as we are above 30000 birds every year we are A OK!

That's ok. We are already planning our Maury County hunts next year. See yall there!
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#3248817 - 05/17/13 01:58 PM Re: TWRA REPORTS TURKEY NUMBERS REMAIN STABLE [Re: Spurhunter]
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I guess the days of hearing 15 gobblers a morning are long gone! Those were the good ole days.
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#3248865 - 05/17/13 03:00 PM Re: TWRA REPORTS TURKEY NUMBERS REMAIN STABLE [Re: muddyboots]
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 Originally Posted By: muddyboots
I guess the days of hearing 15 gobblers a morning are long gone! Those were the good ole days.


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#3248866 - 05/17/13 03:00 PM Re: TWRA REPORTS TURKEY NUMBERS REMAIN STABLE [Re: CAMARO12]
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Glad to hear numbers are stable...I was starting to worry a bit. ;\)

Years ago, a friend called me at home wondering how I was enjoying the gorgeous spring weather. I told him, it's rained the last 2 days straight and it's absolutely pouring buckets outside right this very minute. He says, "No it's not...I'm looking at the Weather Channel and the radar says it's sunny and clear at your house."


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#3248970 - 05/17/13 05:05 PM Re: TWRA REPORTS TURKEY NUMBERS REMAIN STABLE [Re: Boll Weevil]
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Who'da thunk it. Im not suprised one bit.
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#3249041 - 05/17/13 06:42 PM Re: TWRA REPORTS TURKEY NUMBERS REMAIN STABLE [Re: Spurhunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Spurhunter
Imagine that! Who cares what the potential is! As long as we are above 30000 birds every year we are A OK!

That's ok. We are already planning our Maury County hunts next year. See yall there!


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#3249053 - 05/17/13 07:19 PM Re: TWRA REPORTS TURKEY NUMBERS REMAIN STABLE [Re: Vermin93]
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Aint no birds in Maury! Cat done killed them all! ;\)
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#3249084 - 05/17/13 07:51 PM Re: TWRA REPORTS TURKEY NUMBERS REMAIN STABLE [Re: Vermin93]
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 Originally Posted By: Vermin93
 Originally Posted By: Spurhunter
Imagine that! Who cares what the potential is! As long as we are above 30000 birds every year we are A OK!

That's ok. We are already planning our Maury County hunts next year. See yall there!


Party at catman's place next April! I call dibs on the couch!
In before cat say's there are no birds in Maury county


Edited by timberjack86 (05/17/13 07:52 PM)
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#3249247 - 05/18/13 04:10 AM Re: TWRA REPORTS TURKEY NUMBERS REMAIN STABLE [Re: timberjack86]
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When I look at 2012 vs 2013 county harvest, I get 56 counties harvest down over last year and 39 counties harvest up. Just a simple up or down look, havent done any more than that.
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#3249258 - 05/18/13 05:53 AM Re: TWRA REPORTS TURKEY NUMBERS REMAIN STABLE [Re: smstone22]
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#3249365 - 05/18/13 09:03 AM Re: TWRA REPORTS TURKEY NUMBERS REMAIN STABLE [Re: Lawrence]
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"Statewide", TWRA is correct in that the turkey numbers remain stable. In fact, "statewide" the turkey outlook may have never been better, since there are more and more turkeys showing up in places which didn't have any turkeys a few years ago.

But that doesn't mean, nor did TWRA say it did, that turkey numbers are stable in every county nor every part of every county.

I think there could be some "tweaking" of the regs which could place things on a better track, but have to agree with many that most of what happens to the ongoing turkey population has to do with factors little effected by our current statewide hunting regs.

Note how so many hunters are excited about Maury County? Why? Did TWRA do anything different there? On the other hand, with more hunters planning to hunt there, with the fall hen season & 4-Tom spring limit . . . . . . . .

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#3249369 - 05/18/13 09:15 AM Re: TWRA REPORTS TURKEY NUMBERS REMAIN STABLE [Re: Wes Parrish]
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12-15 years ago it was quite a sight to see turkeys in good size groups in my little area. Now they are everywhere and I'm not complaining. Could habitat changes be the reason for the decline in some areas and increase in numbers in others? Now, for you southern county hunters: Is it smaller flocks you're seeing or have the turkeys left your areas and moved down he road?
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#3249485 - 05/18/13 01:44 PM Re: TWRA REPORTS TURKEY NUMBERS REMAIN STABLE [Re: Food Plot 101]
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 Originally Posted By: Food Plot 101
12-15 years ago it was quite a sight to see turkeys in good size groups in my little area. Now they are everywhere and I'm not complaining. Could habitat changes be the reason for the decline in some areas and increase in numbers in others? Now, for you southern county hunters: Is it smaller flocks you're seeing or have the turkeys left your areas and moved down he road?


Used too in the fall i would see flocks of 100ish birds go to roost in the evenings. It was an awesome sight. Now maybe 20 at the most.
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#3249490 - 05/18/13 02:01 PM Re: TWRA REPORTS TURKEY NUMBERS REMAIN STABLE [Re: muddyboots]
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Just a little something else to thing about . . . . . .

When the turkeys started quickly expanding into areas which had been previously void of turkeys, most predators were neither experienced nor proficient at preying on turkeys.

But as the turkey populations have increased, I believe they (and their eggs) have become a more viable food source for a variety of predators, which have also increased in number.

What I'm saying is, from a predation standpoint, there is more going against turkey survival today than a couple decades ago. Among my personal observations are seeing more mostly nocturnal predators targeting turkeys during the day, including owls, coyotes, and bobcats. I've particularly noticed owls preying on young turkeys. Would add a huge increase in hawks as well, although they're daytime predators. IMO, hawks are getting a good bit more of their annual diet from turkey poults than in times past, and the number of hawks has increased exponentially over the past few decades.

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#3249511 - 05/18/13 02:24 PM Re: TWRA REPORTS TURKEY NUMBERS REMAIN STABLE [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
"Statewide", TWRA is correct in that the turkey numbers remain stable. In fact, "statewide" the turkey outlook may have never been better, since there are more and more turkeys showing up in places which didn't have any turkeys a few years ago.

But that doesn't mean, nor did TWRA say it did, that turkey numbers are stable in every county nor every part of every county.

I think there could be some "tweaking" of the regs which could place things on a better track, but have to agree with many that most of what happens to the ongoing turkey population has to do with factors little effected by our current statewide hunting regs.

Note how so many hunters are excited about Maury County? Why? Did TWRA do anything different there? On the other hand, with more hunters planning to hunt there, with the fall hen season & 4-Tom spring limit . . . . . . . .
There are predators in Maury County, Wes, and their turkey numbers are skyrocketing. What's up with that?

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#3249526 - 05/18/13 02:41 PM Re: TWRA REPORTS TURKEY NUMBERS REMAIN STABLE [Re: muddyboots]
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 Originally Posted By: muddyboots
I guess the days of hearing 15 gobblers a morning are long gone! Those were the good ole days.


not around here. lost count of the number of birds gobbling on several mornings.
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#3249551 - 05/18/13 03:30 PM Re: TWRA REPORTS TURKEY NUMBERS REMAIN STABLE [Re: CAMARO12]
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 Originally Posted By: CAMARO12
There are predators in Maury County, Wes, and their turkey numbers are skyrocketing. What's up with that?

I never meant to imply that predation was "the" most significant factor in turkey numbers. In the case of Maury County, I suspect all the favorable factors have aligned better over the past few years, including the possibility that increased predation (for whatever reasons) is not as much an issue as in many other counties.

But usually with an increase in prey population, an increase in predator population follows, really knocking back the number of prey, then the predator population falls back (sometimes starves), then the prey population grows again ---- just a natural cycle between prey & predators. Again, this is just one factor effecting ongoing turkey populations.

Hey, an increase in rabbits could temporarily decrease predation on turkeys, simultaneously increasing young predator survival rates, which then causes much greater predation on turkeys a year or two later when all the dumb rabbits have been eaten. \:D

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#3249580 - 05/18/13 04:18 PM Re: TWRA REPORTS TURKEY NUMBERS REMAIN STABLE [Re: Wes Parrish]
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Imo it will go up the next couple of years as more and more hunters head this way then it will fall off like all the other counties have. I seen double the hunters here than last year and it seems hunters seem to increase every year and i think the amount of turkeys will dwindle off
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#3249589 - 05/18/13 04:43 PM Re: TWRA REPORTS TURKEY NUMBERS REMAIN STABLE [Re: Food Plot 101]
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 Originally Posted By: Food Plot 101
12-15 years ago it was quite a sight to see turkeys in good size groups in my little area. Now they are everywhere and I'm not complaining. Could habitat changes be the reason for the decline in some areas and increase in numbers in others? Now, for you southern county hunters: Is it smaller flocks you're seeing or have the turkeys left your areas and moved down he road?


#1 our habitat hasn't changed and would be primo turkey habitat

#2 we use to see fall flocks from 4 to 100 birds every day, spring time was like other counties there were strutters in every single field. Now you could drive from sun up to sun down all over the southern half of the county for days and you wouldn't see a bird
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#3249698 - 05/18/13 07:25 PM Re: TWRA REPORTS TURKEY NUMBERS REMAIN STABLE [Re: Rockhound]
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The last 2 years here in Hardeman County you'd be hard pressed to see many if any turkeys in the fields. And compared to the 5-10 years prior, that is very unusual. That in itself was an indication to me that something was detrimentally happening to our turkey population.
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#3249744 - 05/18/13 08:34 PM Re: TWRA REPORTS TURKEY NUMBERS REMAIN STABLE [Re: ImThere]
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 Originally Posted By: ImThere
Imo it will go up the next couple of years as more and more hunters head this way then it will fall off like all the other counties have. I seen double the hunters here than last year and it seems hunters seem to increase every year and i think the amount of turkeys will dwindle off
I am concerned that Maury will take a beating from hunters comin in because they hear the hunting is good. But I had opposite experience this spring, I saw fewer hunters than last two years.
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#3250000 - 05/19/13 09:30 AM Re: TWRA REPORTS TURKEY NUMBERS REMAIN STABLE [Re: catman529]
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The article that I read states that bad weather on the weekends probable was the reason many hunters did not fill their tags and harvest numbers were not higher.
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#3250037 - 05/19/13 10:29 AM Re: TWRA REPORTS TURKEY NUMBERS REMAIN STABLE [Re: Feedman]
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 Originally Posted By: Feedman
The article that I read states that bad weather on the weekends probable was the reason many hunters did not fill their tags and harvest numbers were not higher.
Could you post that article?

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#3250413 - 05/19/13 05:58 PM Re: TWRA REPORTS TURKEY NUMBERS REMAIN STABLE [Re: smstone22]
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#3250503 - 05/19/13 07:25 PM Re: TWRA REPORTS TURKEY NUMBERS REMAIN STABLE [Re: ROUGH COUNTRY HUNTER]
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 Originally Posted By: ROUGH COUNTRY HUNTER
Tennessee does a good job
Tennessee or TWRA?

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#3250572 - 05/19/13 08:27 PM Re: TWRA REPORTS TURKEY NUMBERS REMAIN STABLE [Re: CAMARO12]
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I know for sure the article Feedman read and posted about is right. But most of us that have hunted our particular spots and live on them and have lived and hunted these places for years know that the article isn't exactly true.
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#3250900 - 05/20/13 09:02 AM Re: TWRA REPORTS TURKEY NUMBERS REMAIN STABLE [Re: CAMARO12]
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Here is the article it was in sunday Knoxville News.

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) — The Tennessee Wildlife Resources Agency says reports on the spring turkey hunt show the wild turkey population in Tennessee is stable.

With reports still coming in from the hunt that ended May 12, the harvest has surpassed 300,000 birds for the 11th straight year. As of a report Wednesday, the number stood at 32,489.

TWRA Turkey Program Coordinator Chris Hunter said the agency expects small fluctuations from year to year. The state record of more than 37,000 came in 2010.

The agency noted inclement weather hampered hunters on several weekends during the statewide season.

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#3250910 - 05/20/13 09:16 AM Re: TWRA REPORTS TURKEY NUMBERS REMAIN STABLE [Re: Feedman]
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300,000 birds??? They can't even get the number right. Should read 30,000 birds.
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