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#3247258 - 05/15/13 01:56 PM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: woodsman87]
woodsman87
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The increasing lengh of day causes the hens egg polyps to start "dropping" down, where they are then fertilized by sperm.

Yall can't argue with proven science and facts, that an abnormal temperatures spring or any season for that matter controls the way they breed.

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#3247259 - 05/15/13 01:57 PM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: woodsman87]
Wes Parrish
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There is NO proactive quick fix to significantly increasing the turkey population. Much of the outcome is beyond our control, such as flooding, poor nesting conditions, poor survival of poults, which even under the best of times, I'd still call it "poor".

But that said, there are adjustments which could be made that improve the outcome, especially over a 3-yr-plus period. Likewise, doing the opposite of these reduces the turkey population.

Again, factors beyond our control may have more impact, but here's a few things we could do to increase the turkey population:

1) Eliminate the fall turkey hunting.
It makes about as much sense as having a spring deer season.

2) If the fall turkey season is not eliminated, then let those birds count against the following spring's annual limit. If you kill several in the fall, you could become "limited out" before the spring season even opens.

3) Reduce the annual limit to 3 turkeys (bearded birds only in the spring). (And if you kill a turkey during the fall, your spring limit becomes 2 bearded birds the following spring.)

4) Lastly, instead of making the regs more complicated, we could just simplify the regs by eliminating the fall turkey season.

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#3247271 - 05/15/13 02:10 PM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: woodsman87]
Roost 1
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I can't understand why You keep asking questions... You make it apparent you know all the answers. I am not a biologist by no means and I am sure length of day does trigger breeding but my real world experiences from hunting turkeys going on 25 yrs 30+ days/yr in several different states, successfully I might add, has proven to me what makes for better hunting. I will take an early spring such as last, over a late spring such as this year every time.
There are many many factors that play into why you aren't seeing the numbers of birds you used too. Poor hatches and hunter pressure are at the top whether you choose to believe it or not.... I am sure bush-hogs are not NEW to your area I would imagine they were around before the turkeys showed up.
I think this whole thread is getting twisted. Gobbling and mating are two different things..... Birds gobble yr around but, like you said, they don't mate year around...
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#3247274 - 05/15/13 02:12 PM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: Wes Parrish]
woodsman87
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
There is NO proactive quick fix to significantly increasing the turkey population. Much of the outcome is beyond our control, such as flooding, poor nesting conditions, poor survival of poults, which even under the best of times, I'd still call it "poor".

But that said, there are adjustments which could be made that improve the outcome, especially over a 3-yr-plus period. Likewise, doing the opposite of these reduces the turkey population.

Again, factors beyond our control may have more impact, but here's a few things we could do to increase the turkey population:

1) Eliminate the fall turkey hunting.
It makes about as much sense as having a spring deer season.

2) If the fall turkey season is not eliminated, then let those birds count against the following spring's annual limit. If you kill several in the fall, you could become "limited out" before the spring season even opens.

3) Reduce the annual limit to 3 turkeys (bearded birds only in the spring). (And if you kill a turkey during the fall, your spring limit becomes 2 bearded birds the following spring.)

4) Lastly, instead of making the regs more complicated, we could just simplify the regs by eliminating the fall turkey season.


I like all of your points and agree with them. No quick fix. I don't think they should nesecarily end fall turkey hunting, but definately eliminate hen murdering and also count all gobblers towards a statewide, year-round, baglimit. I would aslo like to get rid of the "bearded birds" and make it "gobblers only" that way hens aren't killed just for the sake of having a scraggly skinny, 7 inch beard, and bird that only weighs 12 pounds, and has little meat.

Like you say most of it is out of our control with the weather, the influx of hogs and armidillos, but we need to control the things we can control like not shooting hens and babies and creating better nesting habitat.

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#3247277 - 05/15/13 02:18 PM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: Roost 1]
woodsman87
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 Originally Posted By: Roost 1
I can't understand why You keep asking questions... You make it apparent you know all the answers. I am not a biologist by no means and I am sure length of day does trigger breeding but my real world experiences from hunting turkeys going on 25 yrs 30+ days/yr in several different states, successfully I might add, has proven to me what makes for better hunting. I will take an early spring such as last, over a late spring such as this year every time.
There are many many factors that play into why you aren't seeing the numbers of birds you used too. Poor hatches and hunter pressure are at the top whether you choose to believe it or not.... I am sure bush-hogs are not NEW to your area I would imagine they were around before the turkeys showed up.
I think this whole thread is getting twisted. Gobbling and mating are two different things..... Birds gobble yr around but, like you said, they don't mate year around...


I am not asking questions, I am giving answers and making suggestions. Perhaps if we all got to hunt everyday of the year in every state and were "successful" as you added, we wouldn't be saying why the few spots we do have to hunt on are not as good as they once were. I like to make the best of my hunting time, and If I had the time to go and the money to go I would be out there more than you and more places than you.

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#3247283 - 05/15/13 02:22 PM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: woodsman87]
woodsman87
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I have read your posts, and you come in acting high and mighty because you kill your turkeys the first week of the season, acting like you know everything about it, and think your cool because your in a contest every year. You are just someone who gets to hunt everyday and has the best spots in the country to hunt. Don't come bragging to me and everyone else on how good you are and how much you get to hunt.
Be thankful that you have good places and get to go alot, one day you might not have any turkeys left.

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#3247329 - 05/15/13 03:10 PM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: woodsman87]
ImThere
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Woodsman87 = Setterman? Lol
Gotta give it to you know it all!
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#3247352 - 05/15/13 03:32 PM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: ImThere]
Lawrence
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 Originally Posted By: ImThere
Woodsman87 = Setterman? Lol
Gotta give it to you know it all!


LOL
come on give him a break
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#3247360 - 05/15/13 03:37 PM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: ImThere]
catman529
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 Originally Posted By: ImThere
Woodsman87 = Setterman? Lol
Gotta give it to you know it all!
\:D

Why don't y'all shut up and go coyote hunting. Save a few poults....

Oh and I saw spring deer season mentioned. If there were a spring deer season, I would hunt it. But I thought we weren't supposed to be comparing deer to turkeys here......
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#3247363 - 05/15/13 03:40 PM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: Lawrence]
Lawrence
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 Originally Posted By: Lawrence
[quote=ImThere]Woodsman87 = Setterman? Lol
Gotta give it to you know it all!


LOL
come on give him a break


speaking of the great one where is he
This thread would have been great with him involved
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