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#3244620 - 05/11/13 10:20 PM Re: Did you know deer got this old? [Re: BSK]
Wes Parrish
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
The longer potential lifespan of female deer over male deer is more due to females "easier" lives, in that they do not have to deal with the stresses . . . .

Yes, been saying that for years, just like with humans. \:D

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#3244646 - 05/11/13 11:59 PM Re: Did you know deer got this old? [Re: Wes Parrish]
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I did not know deer could love that long either.
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#3244740 - 05/12/13 08:44 AM Re: Did you know deer got this old? [Re: plinker22]
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LOL at Wes
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#3245821 - 05/13/13 09:39 PM Re: Did you know deer got this old? [Re: ]
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I was looking for a study I heard about a while back about how quickly deer populations grow exponentially due to prevalence of having twins. While reading this I saw where they were talking about does 8-16 years old????

I may be way behind but I thought an "old" deer was like 3 to 5 years old. Did everyone else know they actually live this long?


From Jay Langstons book on Tennessee Deer.......the oldest deer on tennessee books is around 19 years old. It was tagged when turned loose and when shot they still had the tag on it. Pretty remarkable. But i would venture to say that most does dont live past 5 years old under the tight hunting we have now. But anything is possible.
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#3245892 - 05/14/13 04:23 AM Re: Did you know deer got this old? [Re: Boone 58]
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Interesting. Never would have guessed they live to be teenagers.
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#3246023 - 05/14/13 08:17 AM Re: Did you know deer got this old? [Re: Boone 58]
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 Originally Posted By: Boone 58
From Jay Langstons book on Tennessee Deer.......the oldest deer on tennessee books is around 19 years old. It was tagged when turned loose and when shot they still had the tag on it. Pretty remarkable. But i would venture to say that most does dont live past 5 years old under the tight hunting we have now. But anything is possible.


Back when the QDM rage first started, and hunters began targeting does for the first time, I saw some really old does being killed. Now, not so much. Does are now under almost equal pressure as bucks in much of the whitetail's range.
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#3246293 - 05/14/13 01:43 PM Re: Did you know deer got this old? [Re: BSK]
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In my hunting club (where more female than male deer have been killed annually for many years), most of the does I'm seeing killed are either 2 1/2 or 3 1/2 years old. I believe the reason the more numerous 1 1/2-yr-old doe are not being killed as much is because of concerns of shooting a button buck. Once a doe becomes 2 1/2 or older, she will typically be hard to mistake for a fawn, while 1 1/2's can be harder to discern from button buck fawns. Thus, to avoid accidentally killing buttons, many hunters are avoiding killing fawn & 1 1/2-yr-old yearling females.
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#3246462 - 05/14/13 04:43 PM Re: Did you know deer got this old? [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
In my hunting club (where more female than male deer have been killed annually for many years), most of the does I'm seeing killed are either 2 1/2 or 3 1/2 years old. I believe the reason the more numerous 1 1/2-yr-old doe are not being killed as much is because of concerns of shooting a button buck. Once a doe becomes 2 1/2 or older, she will typically be hard to mistake for a fawn, while 1 1/2's can be harder to discern from button buck fawns. Thus, to avoid accidentally killing buttons, many hunters are avoiding killing fawn & 1 1/2-yr-old yearling females.


I agree with that Wes.

Basically, I can easily tell the difference between fawns, yearling does, and does 2 1/2+. But once they reach 2 1/2 or older, doe age can be hard to differentiate.
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#3246467 - 05/14/13 04:47 PM Re: Did you know deer got this old? [Re: BSK]
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Quite often I'm asked how many does hunters should take from a given property. That question is often very hard to answer. In fact, often the BEST answer is suggesting a generic starting point (say, 1 doe killed for every 100 acres) and then watch the results over time. Over the years, I've come to believe one of the best numbers to watch (if hunters are taking enough does to get a representative sample) is the age of does killed. Often, when too many does are being taken over a number of years, mature does disappear from the harvest. I watch these harvested doe age numbers very carefully. If I see that no mature does are taken over a two or three year period, I tell hunters to back off their doe harvests. If mature does continue to make up a significant percentage of harvested does year after year (20+%), then hunters can increase their doe harvests.
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#3246469 - 05/14/13 04:52 PM Re: Did you know deer got this old? [Re: BSK]
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And to a large degree, taking an adequate number of doe without over-harvesting is somewhat self-regulating . . . . .
. . . . . . IF you are taking male & female deer in fairly equal numbers AND protecting both button & yearling bucks.

If you're taking significantly more female than male deer, having say something like 20% being 3 1/2 or older in the doe harvest would seem indicative of not over-harvesting.

What is usually not indicative of doe over-harvest is suddenly not seeing many adult doe. More often it is indicative of a combination of adapting to more nocturnal movement and shifting food sources.

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